Originally Posted by RMK!
Of course you are correct about the efficiency advantage of the 212's but having heard the 210RT's they are a great choice for a reasonable sized, full range music speaker. IMO, they need dedicated subwoofer support for movies but even that might not be necessary for someone who isn't as bass hungry as many here seem to be. If I were putting together a system in a common living space (e.g. living room, family room) the 210RT would be my speaker choice.
I am sure RMK is correct. He is the reason I got into JTR to begin with...
Originally Posted by raynist
I would choose the 210RT every time if you have amps to power them. I noticed no difference in dynamics. I don't think you would unless you are listening at over 120db.
Given that in real tests, the 212s are rated by data-base to be actually 105dB vs the 95dB of the 210s, you'll need 8 times the amplifier power to get to the same SPLs... I would think that at listening position, say 10-12 feet away, the 210s will not be able to get to reference without an external amp whereas the 212s will easily go there and more with just a receiver... Now, of course this all depends on application.. if one were sitting much closer, have a smaller room, and have great need to always listen to 2 channel music, then the 210s might be the route to go.. but for someone more into HT, have a big room, the 212s can't be beat for sound quality and efficiency and easy of setup (without additional amps).
Originally Posted by Landmonster
What is the difference between 212 HT, and 212 HTR? (it's a $700 price jump!)
How do either of the 212 models compare to the 210 RT?
212 HT = $1599 ea
212 HTR= $2299 ea
210 RT = $2299 ea
The HTR has a better Compression driver and is actually a 3-way design.. if you want absolutely the smoothest voices, go for the HTR.. this is the new version of the one I have... The HT is basically a cheaper version of the HTR... I haven't heard the HT yet... I have auditioned literally dozens and dozens of commercial speakers, some costing 10x more than the HTRs and I have yet to find one I like better... I do not know why, but there's a magic to 'female vocals' on the 212s.. i have a feeling that it's because of the compression driver that goes down to 380hz (covering most of the female vocal cord)... But I could be wrong here... but whenever I hear these speakers with female vocals, I get chills... i never get this with any other speakers...
Originally Posted by Landmonster
Are you saying the 210 RTs are difficult to power? They are listed at 95db efficiency.
Just wondering, because i couldn't really afford to start with more power than just a single AV receiver.
Edit: how much difference does the 95db efficiency of the 210 matter compared to the 101db efficiency of the 212 HTR?
Although the 212s are listed as 101dB, they are actually 105dB (measured by data-base), and you'll need 8 times the power or wattage to get the 210s to the same volume...
For example, to get the 210s to 120dB, you'll need 250 watts of power (no receiver can give you that much per channel, all channel driven, you'll need extra expensive external amps)... To get to 120dB, the 212s only need a measly 32 watts... almost any receiver can get it there...
But as RMK says, it all depends on your application... if you're already going to get a subwoofer, and if your main priority isn't 2 channel music listening, then i see no reason why the 212s wouldn't be a better option.. of course, it's all subjective...