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2 way compression driver used in 210RT/RM, 228HTR, 212HTR, 215RT/RM ( 3 way speakers)
R = Reference = 3-way
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Do you feel the 212HTR had a higher fidelity than the ht's?
Can't really comment as it seems there was some setup issues going on that caused some problems on the 212HT. I think the consensus though is the HTR is good for critical music listening, and the HT is fine if all you plan on doing is movies.

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I think the consensus though is the HTR is good for critical music listening, and the HT is fine if all you plan on doing is movies.
But movies have music, too!
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2 way compression driver used in 210RT/RM, 228HTR, 212HTR, 215RT/RM ( 3 way speakers)
That compression driver doesn't have the modified phase plug or extra shorting rings that I believe are used on all of the Reference models.
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That compression driver doesn't have the modified phase plug or extra shorting rings that I believe are used on all of the Reference models.
When I bought my 2015 212HTR I understood it to be a customized version of the same CD. It could be entirely different I've never looked inside.

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Can't really comment as it seems there was some setup issues going on that caused some problems on the 212HT. I think the consensus though is the HTR is good for critical music listening, and the HT is fine if all you plan on doing is movies.
We're still trying to figure out the issue with the demo system. Not all is lost since I left the Noesis 212HT in KC for members to listen too. I have another set I could ship out to the east coast. The Noesis 212HT and 228HT are great 2 way speakers that work well for movies and music. The 3 way adds almost limitless headroom because the mid range is capable of 145db (115db/1w + 1200w peak) plus the HTR is horn loaded an octave lower (350hz vz 850hz). Not that the compression driver in the Noesis 212HT is a slouch producing 139db peak (113db/1w + 450w peak). All the speakers use compression drivers made by BMS that utilize their unique annular diaphragm that doesn't suffer from the topend breakup of traditional compression drivers.

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That compression driver doesn't have the modified phase plug or extra shorting rings that I believe are used on all of the Reference models.
You are correct
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Question Bowers & Wilkins CM10 S2 -OR- JTR Noesis 228HT

Hi all, I'm trying to decide between the Bowers & Wilkins CM10 S2 or the JTR Noesis 228HT. I've heard great things about both.

Because I work for a large national electronics retailer I can get the B&W CM10's for a significant discount, meaning they'd actually cost me less than the JTR 228's. Bottom line, factoring in tax (for B&W) vs shipping (for JTR), a pair of B&W's would be cheaper by about $200.

Given that this is the JTR thread I'm expecting most folks to favor the JTRs and that's fine but if you were making an honest and unbiased recommendation for a friend, which would you recommend?

Usage will be 95% home theater & Xbox. The speakers will be powered by a fairly beefy Bryston 9B-THX power amp that I already have.

Thanks in advance for your insight.

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Hi all, I'm trying to decide between the Bowers & Wilkins CM10 S2 or the JTR Noesis 228HT. I've heard great things about both.

Because I work for a large national electronics retailer I can get the B&W CM10's for a significant discount, meaning they'd actually cost me less than the JTR 228's. Bottom line, factoring in tax (for B&W) vs shipping (for JTR), a pair of B&W's would be cheaper by about $200.

Given that this is the JTR thread I'm expecting most folks to favor the JTRs and that's fine but if you were making an honest and unbiased recommendation for a friend, which would you recommend?

Usage will be 95% home theater & Xbox.

Thanks in advance for your insight.
CM10 is much nicer looking and has lower frequency extension, if you aren't going to use a sub.

228 is much more efficient, much more power handling, much better dynamics, and more controlled directivity. It is designed to be used with subs, though.

Which characteristics are you looking for?
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CM10 is much nicer looking and has lower frequency extension, if you aren't going to use a sub.

228 is much more efficient, much more power handling, much better dynamics, and more controlled directivity. It is designed to be used with subs, though.
Whups, I forgot to mention a few important details...

The speakers will be paired with my two SVS SB13-Ultra subs. The current system is 7.2. My Denon AVR-X4000 has Audyssey MultiEQ XT32.

The room size is 18' long x 13' wide x 7.5' high. There is are two rows of 3-chair seating, with the back row on a 13" riser.

There is a ceiling-mounted Epson 6030 projector.

No room treatments yet (that's still on the to-do list).

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Which characteristics are you looking for?
Basically I'm looking for accurate sound that has a large "sweet spot" across the two rows of seats. Since this will be almost entirely used for HT, clear dialog reproduction is very important.

We usually keep the speakers at THX reference level (calibrated via SPL meter), although I tend to run the subs a little "hot", as well as the surrounds.

Many thanks for your thoughts / opinions.

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Whups, I forgot to mention a few important details...

The speakers will be paired with my two SVS SB13-Ultra subs. The current system is 7.2. My Denon AVR-X4000 has Audyssey MultiEQ XT32.

The room size is 18' long x 13' wide x 7.5' high. There is are two rows of 3-chair seating, with the back row on a 13" riser.

There is a ceiling-mounted Epson 6030 projector.

No room treatments yet (that's still on the to-do list).



Basically I'm looking for accurate sound that has good dispersion across the two rows of seats. Since this will be almost entirely used for HT, clear dialog reproduction is very important.

Many thanks for your thoughts / opinions.
Okay, using subs is good.
The JTR speakers excel at dialog clarity. That will definitely be better than the B&Ws.
They have a narrow-ish 60 degree dispersion angle, which could potentially be a concern for the side seats in a small room, depending on your layout and speaker distances.
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Okay, using subs is good.
The JTR speakers excel at dialog clarity. That will definitely be better than the B&Ws.
They have a narrow-ish 60 degree dispersion angle, which could potentially be a concern for the side seats in a small room, depending on your layout and speaker distances.
Thanks rcohen.

With the right amount of toe-in I think the JTRs would have enough of a sweet spot for all the seats. Hopefully.

Now that I think of it, if I went with the high-efficiency JTR's I could sell my amp and drive all the speakers directly from the Denon AVR. The room isn't that big so the receiver should be able to drive the JTRs to reference level and beyond, right?

That might be just the ticket! (The proceeds from selling the amp mean the JTRs would actually cost less than the B&W's.)
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Thanks rcohen.

With the right amount of toe-in I think the JTRs would have enough of a sweet spot for all the seats. Hopefully.

Now that I think of it, if I went with the high-efficiency JTR's I could sell my amp and drive all the speakers directly from the Denon AVR. The room isn't that big so the receiver should be able to drive the JTRs to reference level and beyond, right?

That might be just the ticket! (The proceeds from selling the amp mean the JTRs would actually cost less than the B&W's.)
You're probably right. You could also get the 228s first, try them both ways, and then make a decision about the amp.
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Now that I think of it, if I went with the high-efficiency JTR's I could sell my amp and drive all the speakers directly from the Denon AVR. The room isn't that big so the receiver should be able to drive the JTRs to reference level and beyond, right?

Easily. I really don't think you will find much of a difference using the amp vs. the Denon receiver. I powered 228HTs in the past with just my Denon 4311ci and they could go much, much louder than my ears could take. Even in a very large room I think you would be shocked at how loud your Denon can play the 228HTs. And of course I would say go with the 228HTs over the B&Ws! I recently sold my 228HTs but can attest to what has been previously said. Great dynamics, excellent vocal clarity for movie dialogue, and kick ass for both movies and music.

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