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I ran ARC last night and did bump up the room gain on one of the four profiles. The attached pic shows two target curves for my left front speaker. The top has no modifications to the parameters set by ARC and the second has the room gain adjusted to the max value. This is really the only adjustment that can be made that modifies the look of the target curve.

Yep, that's what I was talking about. I'd be interested in your thoughts between the two profiles, especially matching your subs to each curve, where one would end up 4-5dB boosted over the other with that slight rise starting at just above 200hz. To my ears personally, the second boosted profile fills out the bottom end significantly more, and creates and much more "Robust" sound to the presentation. Looking forward to additional impressions.
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Transitioning from 215s to ?

Re-posting/ summarizing from my sales thread as it's more appropriate here.

The JTR 215RTs/RM for LCR are the best speakers I've ever heard and am extremely sad to let them go. I purchased them from another AVS member thinking they would be my LCR for the dedicated theater room I had been planning to build. Unfortunately, my expansion proposal got rejected by my town (due to a wetland setback requirement) so a dedicated theater isn't going to happen in the near future.

The 215RTs are truly amazing for music in 2.0 and the set is equally impressive for movie use. The bass output from these are incredible; you can easily go without subs and not notice.

I am in the process of selling the 215s, bascially to appease WAF as they are a bit intimidating in my multi-purpose family room.

I've read through a ton of threads in the past few months and have been considering a few different things:

-Replacing my JTR 215 LCR with relatively smaller/ shorter speakers:

- DIYSG Titan-615LX
- DIYSG Maximus-12 LXE
- JBL 4722n with the 2453H-SL cd upgrade and Be diaphragms
- JTR 210RTs
- DIYSG Fusion-4 Quad-4 LR (That I already own) with phantom center to buy me some time to consider further

-Replacing all speakers (LCR, SR, SBR, SL, SBL) with JBL 708 or another "smaller form factor" speaker I could use all around.

-Replacing or supplementing my JTR Cap S1 with:

- 2-3 low-tuned, custom-sized DIY 18", 21" or 24" driver ported subs with a small footprint and tall cabinet
-A Deep Sea Sounds 24"Mariana, Side Table option
-A JTR S2 or Captivator 4000 ULF or 2x Captivator 1400s
-A Seaton F18 with two slave F18s


After several months of deliberating, on 3/24 I pulled the trigger on 3x JTR 210RT and a Captivator 4000ULF brand new from JTR. Jeff is a great guy who makes amazing products. I won't have the new speakers and sub for a couple weeks but I am already very happy and confident I made the right decision...
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After several months of deliberating, on 3/24 I pulled the trigger on 3x JTR 210RT and a Captivator 4000ULF brand new from JTR. Jeff is a great guy who makes amazing products. I won't have the new speakers and sub for a couple weeks but I am already very happy and confident I made the right decision...
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You're not messing around with the Cap 4000.
It will be interesting to hear how you feel the new setup compares.
I will report back when I have them set up for sure. I am certain I will not be disappointed but hold a very high bar after knowing what the 215s sound like in my space.


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Nice! So what's the plan with no dedicated theater room? Drop down AT screen? 4000ulf behind seating?
I already have a Seymour Retractable Electric 137.7" with Center Stage XD installed that drops down in front of a 65" Panasonic Plasma (65VT60) in the family room, so will continue to use that. I have about 17.5" between the screen and built-in cabinets, so I will have the added placement options of fitting all 3 210RTs (with16.5" depth) behind the screen.. Will need to experiment to see how imaging and soundstage will be affected by having the speakers set up not as wide as how I have the 215s set up now.

I am not 100% certain on placement of 4000ULF, but yes, anywhere I put it, I expect to put part of the sectional right in front of it to "hide" it a bit. My initial thought is to put it back left corner along sidewall with drivers facing into that corner about 30" away. I'll post some pictures of the room later.

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I agree you made an excellent decision. I feel once you have true full range mains that moving away from them is near impossible. They are very nice option to have with no subs running. I don't know if I could ever move away now that I am used to it, and my JBL's have a similar tuning to the 210's.
Music in 2.0 coming from the 215RTs in pure direct, (No assistance from my Cap S1) sounds so incredible. I am definitely wondering if I will miss the extra extension the 215RTs have over the 38hz of the 210RTs. Also wondering how the soundstage will be affected going from two 15" drivers to two 10" drivers...

At the same time I am also VERY excited to experience the 4000ULF. Everyone has talked about the crazy amount of output, but two major things I am hoping for is:
1. Significantly higher tactile feeling even at the same volumes as before due to going from sealed to ported as well as having much more headroom at 10hz
2. Not losing any of the tight, precise bass qualities that I've experienced with the Cap S1 and formerly with Seaton Submersives

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Music in 2.0 coming from the 215RTs in pure direct, (No assistance from my Cap S1) sounds so incredible. I am definitely wondering if I will miss the extra extension the 215RTs have over the 38hz of the 210RTs. Also wondering how the soundstage will be affected going from two 15" drivers to two 10" drivers...

At the same time I am also VERY excited to experience the 4000ULF. Everyone has talked about the crazy amount of output, but two major things I am hoping for is:
1. Significantly higher tactile feeling even at the same volumes as before due to going from sealed to ported as well as having much more headroom at 10hz
2. Not losing any of the tight, precise bass qualities that I've experienced with the Cap S1 and formerly with Seaton Submersives
I am very much looking forward to your impressions on all fronts. #1 I can almost guarantee. #2 was the big concern that Andrew (Rilla) and I were looking to flesh out when we were demoing the unit in KC in the two rooms we heard it. We didn't come to a complete conclusion due to the fact that in neither space was the unit properly integrated with the mains via distance and EQ settings, but even without that, I felt it was darn close enough that I would never complain. It is my one and only concern still moving from a multi-sealed setup.
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Having heard the 210RT's at RMAF two years ago and owning the 215RT's I think you will be happy with this move. When I got to RMAF, Jeff and Michael (Desertdome) were running 5 of the 210RT's with a pair of Cap 1400's. I suggested running them full range for the music demos and they created a setup in JRiver for that. The results were very impressive and I remember thinking that if I were putting together a music priority system I would use the 210RT's. By adding the 4000, you have a system that can do it all. Really looking forward to your impressions.
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Good to hear all the positive reviews of the 210RTs. I will know more in a few weeks but all signs are pointing to a relocation to the sunny state of FL somewhere around the Tampa area. Looking at homes in the communities of FL I have absolutely no idea how I could build a HT setup and not have the neighbors complaining. Looks like my entire HT will be up for sale soon, including 3 JTR 215RT, Marantz 7702MKiii, etc.

Not looking forward to the realistic possibility of never having a HT again. Hopefully I can have a nice, modest 2 channel setup and maybe the 210RT's will be the right fit. We will see!
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Not looking forward to the realistic possibility of never having a HT again. Hopefully I can have a nice, modest 2 channel setup and maybe the 210RT's will be the right fit. We will see!
If you are buying house , you could find one with a nice garage and build a " room inside of a room " . It would definitely help tame some of the sound if done right .

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After several months of deliberating, on 3/24 I pulled the trigger on 3x JTR 210RT and a Captivator 4000ULF brand new from JTR. Jeff is a great guy who makes amazing products. I won't have the new speakers and sub for a couple weeks but I am already very happy and confident I made the right decision...
If you aren't going to receiving the speakers for a while, why did you go with the 210RT over the 212RT? Or is the 212RT not going to be available anytime soon?
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Quick movie review (and reality check)

We watched Hidden Figures last night. Good movie but the sound track was an excellent vintage 1960's compilation of songs including some written and produced by Pharrell Williams. The emphasis was on the bass especially in the closing credits which were stunning in detail and articulation. Once again we just sat there during the closing credits in awe of the music we were hearing. Quite a testament to the cohesion and articulation of the LCR 215RT's run in full range mode.

For me, there is simply no possibility to upgrade the sound I heard last night.

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If you aren't going to receiving the speakers for a while, why did you go with the 210RT over the 212RT? Or is the 212RT not going to be available anytime soon?
There's a pretty substantial size difference between the 212rt and 210rt. Both have an f3 of 38hz but the 212rt is (potentially) 6db more sensitive. So less amp and a larger horn seem to be the only benefits of which I'm aware. That said, I'm sure I'll ponder getting 212rt's to replace my 210's but I highly doubt it right now.
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If you aren't going to receiving the speakers for a while, why did you go with the 210RT over the 212RT? Or is the 212RT not going to be available anytime soon?
Height and overall size. The whole reason I sold the 215RTs was due to WAF, them being too tall and initimidating in my family room. The 212RT is slated to be 58" tall; the 210RT is 43" tall. With the 210s being 43" tall, I can get away with running 3x 210RT instead of 2x210RT and a 210RM placed horizontally for center, and still have my TV not placed too high. I wanted to have the same exact speaker for LCR.

All that being said, I had asked Jeff about a 212RT a long time ago, so was definitely interested when he first announced it. However, I figured the layout would be more like the 210RT (TWW instead of WTW) which would have meant it being much shorter, probably just a few inches taller than the 210RT so that the center of the horn would be around ear height when seated. If that had been the case, I would have definitely gone with 3x212RTs...

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However, I figured the layout would be more like the 210RT (TWW instead of WTW) which would have meant it being much shorter, probably just a few inches taller than the 210RT so that the center of the horn would be around ear height when seated. If that had been the case, I would have definitely gone with 3x212RTs...
Yep. Right there with you Ryan.
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