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111-112db SNR minimum. I don't want even the faintest humm, pure black background for amazing beauty in dynamics. THD+N will be good enough in any amp I considered (already bought the Cherries). I can't prove anything but will play around with measuring but an extended frequency response @rcohen has mentioned with the BMS cd having a response out to 24khz. In theory it makes sense as an amp board with a 20khz filter could mess with the upper end, again theory but why not get an amp that has extended response? Some things getting into the deep hole are DC coupling and non phase shifting in bass frequencies. cheaper amps can have minor phase shifting. Another no one really understands is switching frequency and filtering feedback. It gets really technical and things I'm still learning. Nothing I'm talking about here is 'Audiofoolery' but actual electrical engineering science. Most amps simply filter feedback round and round until it is generally un audible and measures well in this day of oogling over specs.
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I'm pretty sure I can't do it. My track purchasing track record is too spotty to claim otherwise, but it's fun to try.

When I read you getting excited about the Hypex tech talk, it reminds me of my past mistakes, but I'm sure the Cherries will work out awesome for you.

With this A51 that I like so much with the 212s, it makes me wonder if I'm responding so well to the presence of distortion or the lack of distortion. After all, real life doesn't give me chills like listening to it. <shrug>
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Finally getting the room to an almost usable state... JTR-gasum shots:


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Looks amazing!

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Finally getting the room to an almost usable state... JTR-gasum shots:


That is an awesome space. Well done!

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Well done SOWK, sure it sounds amazing!

How you liking the 4000ULF's? Where did you end up placing them?

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Well done SOWK, sure it sounds amazing!

How you liking the 4000ULF's? Where did you end up placing them?
Right behind the left and right mains facing towards the outer walls.

Not aesthetically pleasing. But that's where they measured the best. Will be doing a complete calibration this weekend and finally get a chance to sit and listen to them in real world material.
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Hi everyone,

We're doing a home theatre build, and have pretty much decided on getting JTR speakers.

After reading through this forum, I've decided on the following speakers:
  • Front left / right: 212htr (x2)
  • Centre: 228htr
  • Surround left/right: 8HT-lp (x2)
  • Surround back left/right: Slanted 8HT (x2)
  • On ceilings: Single 8HT-lp x 2
  • Subs: Captivator 1400 x 2
The room is approximately 14.75' x 19' x 8.5'


We're going to be spending a lot of money on these speakers, and are a bit wary of plopping down so much cash without auditioning them. Is there anybody remotely close to Toronto, Ontario, Canada who would be willing to let us come over for a listen? I'd be really, really grateful for any help with this. I wouldn't mind traveling a bit too, even to another nearby province in Canada if necessary (but preferably not to the US).


Also, what do you guys think about the speakers for the room size? We have a home theatre consultant helping us more with the aesthetic side of the build, and he is insisting that these speakers are way overkill for the room and that we won't be able to appreciate them at normal listening volumes. My research on this forum seems to be telling me otherwise, but what do you guys think?


We're adding in over $10,000 of extra soundproofing costs to accommodate these speakers so I'd be super grateful for any input anyone has on these, and if someone would be willing to let me come over for a listen I'd be eternally grateful!



Thanks so much!!
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Hi everyone,

We're doing a home theatre build, and have pretty much decided on getting JTR speakers.

After reading through this forum, I've decided on the following speakers:
  • Front left / right: 212htr (x2)
  • Centre: 228htr
  • Surround left/right: 8HT-lp (x2)
  • Surround back left/right: Slanted 8HT (x2)
  • On ceilings: Single 8HT-lp x 2
  • Subs: Captivator 1400 x 2
The room is approximately 14.75' x 19' x 8.5'


We're going to be spending a lot of money on these speakers, and are a bit wary of plopping down so much cash without auditioning them. Is there anybody remotely close to Toronto, Ontario, Canada who would be willing to let us come over for a listen? I'd be really, really grateful for any help with this. I wouldn't mind traveling a bit too, even to another nearby province in Canada if necessary (but preferably not to the US).


Also, what do you guys think about the speakers for the room size? We have a home theatre consultant helping us more with the aesthetic side of the build, and he is insisting that these speakers are way overkill for the room and that we won't be able to appreciate them at normal listening volumes. My research on this forum seems to be telling me otherwise, but what do you guys think?

We're adding in over $10,000 of extra soundproofing costs to accommodate these speakers so I'd be super grateful for any input anyone has on these, and if someone would be willing to let me come over for a listen I'd be eternally grateful!

Thanks so much!!
Hi,

I can't help you with the audition aspect of your post, but I do have a couple of thoughts, for what they are worth. First, I would go with identical speakers for the front soundstage if I were you. You are already configuring your center channel vertically, so why not match all three for optimum blending and imaging?

Second, I think that in that room size, the 228's would give you plenty of mid-bass SPL. And, with dual Cap 1400's, you are probably going to cross them at 80Hz. I would either get three 212's or three 228's and I think that I would lean toward three 228's in that size room.

Third, unless your consultant's idea of what constitutes a normal listening volume happens to coincide with your own, I'm not sure that he is in a position to say what constitutes overkill. I would generally prefer to have too much capability rather than too little, and your room treatments will help to attenuate your SPL by about 3db, anyway. So, I don't see anything at all wrong with what you are planning, absent the reservations expressed in the first two paragraphs.

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Hi everyone,

We're doing a home theatre build, and have pretty much decided on getting JTR speakers.

After reading through this forum, I've decided on the following speakers:
  • Front left / right: 212htr (x2)
  • Centre: 228htr
  • Surround left/right: 8HT-lp (x2)
  • Surround back left/right: Slanted 8HT (x2)
  • On ceilings: Single 8HT-lp x 2
  • Subs: Captivator 1400 x 2
The room is approximately 14.75' x 19' x 8.5'


We're going to be spending a lot of money on these speakers, and are a bit wary of plopping down so much cash without auditioning them. Is there anybody remotely close to Toronto, Ontario, Canada who would be willing to let us come over for a listen? I'd be really, really grateful for any help with this. I wouldn't mind traveling a bit too, even to another nearby province in Canada if necessary (but preferably not to the US).


Also, what do you guys think about the speakers for the room size? We have a home theatre consultant helping us more with the aesthetic side of the build, and he is insisting that these speakers are way overkill for the room and that we won't be able to appreciate them at normal listening volumes. My research on this forum seems to be telling me otherwise, but what do you guys think?


We're adding in over $10,000 of extra soundproofing costs to accommodate these speakers so I'd be super grateful for any input anyone has on these, and if someone would be willing to let me come over for a listen I'd be eternally grateful!



Thanks so much!!
I assume the reason you're going with a smaller Center Channel (CC) is due to using a flat screen TV or, if you are going front projection, you will not be doing an AT screen. In that case, I think the suggestion of 3 228HTR's for LCR is a good one. That said, I don't think the 212/228 front stage would cause much of a mismatch as all the JTR's sound similar in the frequencies that matter due to using the same compression driver. So I say good call on the speakers and welcome to hi resolution Home Theater. There's no going back ...

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Yeah, but you're in good company ...

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Hi everyone,

We're doing a home theatre build, and have pretty much decided on getting JTR speakers.

After reading through this forum, I've decided on the following speakers:
  • Front left / right: 212htr (x2)
  • Centre: 228htr
  • Surround left/right: 8HT-lp (x2)
  • Surround back left/right: Slanted 8HT (x2)
  • On ceilings: Single 8HT-lp x 2
  • Subs: Captivator 1400 x 2
The room is approximately 14.75' x 19' x 8.5'


We're going to be spending a lot of money on these speakers, and are a bit wary of plopping down so much cash without auditioning them. Is there anybody remotely close to Toronto, Ontario, Canada who would be willing to let us come over for a listen? I'd be really, really grateful for any help with this. I wouldn't mind traveling a bit too, even to another nearby province in Canada if necessary (but preferably not to the US).


Also, what do you guys think about the speakers for the room size? We have a home theatre consultant helping us more with the aesthetic side of the build, and he is insisting that these speakers are way overkill for the room and that we won't be able to appreciate them at normal listening volumes. My research on this forum seems to be telling me otherwise, but what do you guys think?


We're adding in over $10,000 of extra soundproofing costs to accommodate these speakers so I'd be super grateful for any input anyone has on these, and if someone would be willing to let me come over for a listen I'd be eternally grateful!



Thanks so much!!
I vote against mixing different model front speakers. You could get by with that if you had to, but that's not something you should do on purpose. They weren't designed to be used together. They have different crossovers and other important differences.

The exception to this rule is mixing RT & RMs. Those are designed to be used together.

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