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Width and depth are shown as the same on the JTR website: 12.25″x14″

26.6" VS 34" for the height, or width in this case.
Yeah - I edited my post as soon as I submitted and realized they had the same dimensions.
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Width and depth are shown as the same on the JTR website: 12.25″x14″

26.5" VS 34" for the height, or width in this case.
Yup, the vents on 228 make the width(?) same as 210's sealed design.
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Yup, the vents on 228 make the width(?) same as 210's sealed design.
The crossover should match the LR for best imaging without phase cancellation. That's why it's best to stick with the same model series. This will affect imaging and vocal clarity.
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JTR will be at Cedia????
Not as in presenting, just attending perhaps, and crunching out all the speakers he can before he peruses the show for a day or two. It was simply speculation.

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Does anyone in the Syracuse/Central NY area have JTR's they wouldn't mind demoing for me?
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My wife is out with my daughter, so my sons and I are able to watch movie at full volume.

We are watching Dr. Strange at -7.5. It sounds as good as any theater I have been to in the past couple of years.

I can't imagine ever wanting to upgrade. These speakers are amazing. I had forgotten just how amazing.

For reference, I have 1st generation 228HT LCR, Slanted 8HT surrounds and a Captivator S2 sub.
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I've been thinking about moving the T12HT's to the living room and upgrading the theater to 3x 215RT's across the front as LCRs.

I apologize if this has been asked before and I just missed it but what is the height of the center of the horn on the 215RT? Measured from the floor or from the top of the cabinet.
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I've been thinking about moving the T12HT's to the living room and upgrading the theater to 3x 215RT's across the front as LCRs.

I apologize if this has been asked before and I just missed it but what is the height of the center of the horn on the 215RT? Measured from the floor or from the top of the cabinet.
Pretty sure it is 47 inches.
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I've been thinking about moving the T12HT's to the living room and upgrading the theater to 3x 215RT's across the front as LCRs.

I apologize if this has been asked before and I just missed it but what is the height of the center of the horn on the 215RT? Measured from the floor or from the top of the cabinet.
Mine are the oldest ones but it's 49" to the horn center from the carpet.

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I have a dedicated theater room that I need some new speakers in. I currently have the older models of the 212 sealed. I love them, best speakers I've ever owned. No reason to change them. The issue is, since having a baby I haven't used the theater near as much, so I moved them to my living room.

I need a new front three for the theater room so when we do have a chance, I don't have to lug the really heavy ass speakers downstairs.

JTR speakers all the way. I'm wondering if I go with the 212RT for LR and the 212HTR for the center. I could go with 3 of the 215 Sealed. I could also go with the 210RT for LR and 210 for the center.

Theater is for music and movies. Dedicated room, acoustic treatments and the like.

Suggestions?
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JTR speakers all the way. I'm wondering if I go with the 212RT for LR and the 212HTR for the center. I could go with 3 of the 215 Sealed. I could also go with the 210RT for LR and 210 for the center.

Theater is for music and movies. Dedicated room, acoustic treatments and the like.

Suggestions?
The 212RT has a different woofer than the 212HTR. I would go with 3 identical speakers and use towers so you don't need any stands. The lower frequency output of the towers also gives one more options during setup and calibration. Get three of the 212RT's or 215RT's. The 212RT's are more efficient. I have the 215RT's and love them.

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The 212RT has a different woofer than the 212HTR. I would go with 3 identical speakers and use towers so you don't need any stands. The lower frequency output of the towers also gives one more options during setup and calibration. Get three of the 212RT's or 215RT's. The 212RT's are more efficient. I have the 215RT's and love them.
The problem is I have to have a horizontal middle speaker. I have an AT screen, but no room behind it to put speakers. I purchased it for the "next" theater. No way to build a false screen either, screen size is maximized for my room.

I plan on driving them with just the AVR, just purchased a Marantz 6012. One day I'll add some ATMOS.

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@rcohen has on several occasions mentioned that he uses Dirac in his system. Earlier this summer I downloaded the trial version and liked what I heard. I bought the full stereo version and have been using it on my Mac mini. I think this is the best $400 I have ever spent in home theater/audio. I have been listening to earth, wind and fires greatest hits for the last hour and I don't think it gets any better than what I am hearing.
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@rcohen has on several occasions mentioned that he uses Dirac in his system. Earlier this summer I downloaded the trial version and liked what I heard. I bought the full stereo version and have been using it on my Mac mini. I think this is the best $400 I have ever spent in home theater/audio. I have been listening to earth, wind and fires greatest hits for the last hour and I don't think it gets any better than what I am hearing.
I have zero experience with Dirac. How does it compare and contrast to Audyssey? I have the XT32 and am wondering if this is something worth looking at.
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I have zero experience with Dirac. How does it compare and contrast to Audyssey? I have the XT32 and am wondering if this is something worth looking at.
I wouldn't listen to my 215RT's in 2 ch stereo with Audyssey XT32 as it nueters the bass. With Dirac you can make any curve you would like. I think it sounds way better than XT32 not even factoring in the bass.

It has a free trial for 15 days. You need a USB mic to set it up.
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I have a dedicated theater room that I need some new speakers in. I currently have the older models of the 212 sealed. I love them, best speakers I've ever owned. No reason to change them. The issue is, since having a baby I haven't used the theater near as much, so I moved them to my living room.

I need a new front three for the theater room so when we do have a chance, I don't have to lug the really heavy ass speakers downstairs.

JTR speakers all the way. I'm wondering if I go with the 212RT for LR and the 212HTR for the center. I could go with 3 of the 215 Sealed. I could also go with the 210RT for LR and 210 for the center.

Theater is for music and movies. Dedicated room, acoustic treatments and the like.

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3 215RM's or 3 215RT's...you'll leave nothing to regret, period.
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The 212RT has a different woofer than the 212HTR. I would go with 3 identical speakers and use towers so you don't need any stands. The lower frequency output of the towers also gives one more options during setup and calibration. Get three of the 212RT's or 215RT's. The 212RT's are more efficient. I have the 215RT's and love them.
I plan to go with 212RTs for LCR when we move into our next house within the next six months or so along with an OLED panel. I'm not sure that I will be able to use the middle tower for the center due to its 58" height without the TV being too high vertically. Would putting the 212RT center on its side in a horizontal orientation be a viable option just underneath the TV? It may look a bit different being off center, but maybe not so much with the AV equipment beside and possibly a Cap 2400ULF under the center. I'm guessing the matching RT towers configuration would be a better option than using a 212HTR center with 212RTs for R&L?
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I plan to go with 212RTs for LCR when we move into our next house within the next six months or so along with an OLED panel. I'm not sure that I will be able to use the middle tower for the center due to its 58" height without the TV being too high vertically. Would putting the 212RT center on its side in a horizontal orientation be a viable option just underneath the TV? It may look a bit different being off center, but maybe not so much with the AV equipment beside and possibly a Cap 2400ULF under the center. I'm guessing the matching RT towers configuration would be a better option than using a 212HTR center with 212RTs for R&L?
For just 6 months, I'd say get the speakers now that fit your long-term needs.
For now, no problems setting the 212RT on its side, other than aesthetics.
Another good alternative would be to go phantom center, and keep the 3rd 212RT in the box for now.
IMO, phantom center vs horizontal center is a wash (depending on the room.)

I'd still get the 3 speakers at once, just to insure you get a matching set.
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I have zero experience with Dirac. How does it compare and contrast to Audyssey? I have the XT32 and am wondering if this is something worth looking at.
Dirac is substantially better than Audyssey (even XT32 Pro), in my experience.
The main advantage of Audyssey is that it's easier to find on Atmos receivers.
The latest Audyssey that can use an app to set the target curve probably closes the gap some, though.

Advantages for Dirac:
1) More articulate, clear, less processed sound.
2) Ability to fine tune target curves alongside the measured response and instant A/B switching to really dial it in.

Still, I'd suggest trying the trial before spending money.
You just need a calibrated mic (like a UMIK-1) and a cheap boom mic stand - great stuff to have, anyway.
The main problem that I had with the trial is that when it ended, I couldn't live without it. (So it was an expensive free trial for me.)

The main limitation of the PC version of Dirac is that it only works with the PC as the source, which means no Atmos. (Atmos bitstreams bypass Dirac, since there is no PC-based Atmos decoder available.)
Maybe that's fine for your use. Maybe not.
Either way, it's worth the trouble to evaluate it.
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For just 6 months, I'd say get the speakers now that fit your long-term needs.
For now, no problems setting the 212RT on its side, other than aesthetics.
Another good alternative would be to go phantom center, and keep the 3rd 212RT in the box for now.
IMO, phantom center vs horizontal center is a wash (depending on the room.)

I'd still get the 3 speakers at once, just to insure you get a matching set.
Thanks @rcohen . For clarification, I have not purchased the new house as of yet, but plan to do so soon and add additional JTR speaker at that time. I am just looking ahead and conducting some due diligence for the next HT set up. I plan to use my current 228HTRs (adding one more for a total of four) for surround duty.

Edit: Or, maybe a pair of 215RT (for LR) and a 215RM (center) could be a better option if running an OLED panel? Does anyone know if the 215RM has the same low frequency output as the 215RT?

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Dirac is substantially better than Audyssey (even XT32 Pro), in my experience.
The main advantage of Audyssey is that it's easier to find on Atmos receivers.
The latest Audyssey that can use an app to set the target curve probably closes the gap some, though.

Advantages for Dirac:
1) More articulate, clear, less processed sound.
2) Ability to fine tune target curves alongside the measured response and instant A/B switching to really dial it in.

Still, I'd suggest trying the trial before spending money.
You just need a calibrated mic (like a UMIK-1) and a cheap boom mic stand - great stuff to have, anyway.
The main problem that I had with the trial is that when it ended, I couldn't live without it. (So it was an expensive free trial for me.)

The main limitation of the PC version of Dirac is that it only works with the PC as the source, which means no Atmos. (Atmos bitstreams bypass Dirac, since there is no PC-based Atmos decoder available.)
Maybe that's fine for your use. Maybe not.
Either way, it's worth the trouble to evaluate it.
Nice response. Thank you. I'll definitely be giving it a shot if it'll run on my Mac. I'm only 5.1 so Atmos isn't a huge deal for me.

I need to order the mic to play with REW anyways and I'll give Dirac a shot then as well.

Is there a recommended place to order the UMIK-1?

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Thanks @rcohen . For clarification, I have not purchased the new house as of yet, but plan to do so soon and add additional JTR speaker at that time. I am just looking ahead and conducting some due diligence for the next HT set up. I plan to use my current 228HTRs (adding one more for a total of four) for surround duty.

Edit: Or, maybe a pair of 215RT (for LR) and a 215RM (center) could be a better option if running an OLED panel? Does anyone know if the 215RM has the same low frequency output as the 215RT?
The 215RM has different low frequency output than 215RTs, but they are designed to be used as a set, so no problem there. The ultimate way to go, though, is with 3 identical vertically oriented speakers, with the center (or all 3) behind an AT screen.
http://www.seymourav.com/centerbestpractice.asp

A horizontal center is a compromise, but sometimes more practical if you don't have a dedicated room.
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Nice response. Thank you. I'll definitely be giving it a shot if it'll run on my Mac. I'm only 5.1 so Atmos isn't a huge deal for me.

I need to order the mic to play with REW anyways and I'll give Dirac a shot then as well.

Is there a recommended place to order the UMIK-1?
You can get a UMIK-1 from minidsp.com.
You may also want to get a USB extension cable from Monoprice or Amazon.

For using a PC or Mac as your main source, also check out JRiver.
IMO, that's the best player by far.
It also has a free trial so you can see if it's for you.

Any of these will work for the mic:
https://www.minidsp.com/products/aco...urement/umik-1
http://www.cross-spectrum.com

With the mics, the main difference is that the ones with integrated USB are more convenient, but the non-USB ones that use a phantom power mic input (like a Behringer Xenyx USB) will give much better signal to noise ratio.
I actually have both. The phantom power approach produces prettier graphs and better noise floor measurements, but there was no audible difference. With that in mind, I'd recommend keeping it simple with a USB mic.
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I plan to go with 212RTs for LCR when we move into our next house within the next six months or so along with an OLED panel. I'm not sure that I will be able to use the middle tower for the center due to its 58" height without the TV being too high vertically. Would putting the 212RT center on its side in a horizontal orientation be a viable option just underneath the TV? It may look a bit different being off center, but maybe not so much with the AV equipment beside and possibly a Cap 2400ULF under the center. I'm guessing the matching RT towers configuration would be a better option than using a 212HTR center with 212RTs for R&L?
I would go with a phantom center. I've had a horizontal matching center before and preferred a phantom center. With the efficiency and capability of the 212RT, you don't need to worry about distortion. I finally got a 215RT center in April, but when the screen is down I bet many would have trouble differentiating a phantom center from actual center if they are sitting within the width of the L/R speakers.
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I would go with a phantom center. I've had a horizontal matching center before and preferred a phantom center. With the efficiency and capability of the 212RT, you don't need to worry about distortion. I finally got a 215RT center in April, but when the screen is down I bet many would have trouble differentiating a phantom center from actual center if they are sitting within the width of the L/R speakers.
Is there any particular trick to setting up a phantom center?

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Is there any particular trick to setting up a phantom center?
It works best if you position the phantom center pointed at the main listening position.
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Nice response. Thank you. I'll definitely be giving it a shot if it'll run on my Mac. I'm only 5.1 so Atmos isn't a huge deal for me.

I need to order the mic to play with REW anyways and I'll give Dirac a shot then as well.

Is there a recommended place to order the UMIK-1?
Cross spectrum labs.
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It works best if you position the phantom center pointed at the main listening position.
Are you using the woofers in your 215s and other subs (I think you have a sub array) as well for movies? If so, how are you routing this?

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Are you using the woofers in your 215s and other subs (I think you have a sub array) as well for movies? If so, how are you routing this?
I have two infinite baffle manifolds - one in the front left corner and one in the front right corner of my room. Each manifold has 4 Acoustic Elegance IB15 woofers. With the IB manifolds and the 215RT's, I have 14 15" woofers!

When I got the 215RT's, I disconnected my IB system and have been routing all bass to the LCR. I use JRiver Media Center to copy the LFE channel to the LCR. Output the LFE channel from 3 separate channels results in a 9.54 dB gain of the LFE channel which is very close to the 10 dB requirement. Adding .46 dB to the LFE prior to adding to each channel results in a 10.002 dB overall gain for the LFE channel.

Tonight or tomorrow I'm reconnecting the IB system because I have someone coming over tomorrow afternoon for a demo. With the IB system in place, I'll only send the LFE to the IB system and send redirected bass from surrounds to the mains. I'll be able to switch back and forth for comparison.

For two channel, I can do three things with just the 215RT's:
  1. Play regular stereo
  2. Copy the bass from L/R to the center with the copied bass from each channel attenuated 6 dB (each speaker outputs same SPL)
  3. Put a 80 Hz high pass on L/R , combine bass from L/R, attenuate by 3.5 dB, route bass back to LCR

I think 1 or 2 are the best options. 2 sounds a little weightier since you are getting a 3.54 dB gain in the bass.

The bass from the 215RT's and the infinite baffle system sound very close. I really haven't spent any time switching back and forth, though. I wanted to really do some extended listing with the 215RT's before using the IB system again. I listen almost every night, but like to spend weeks (months?) with the same system before starting to compare.
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