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goonstopher's Avatar goonstopher
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HOnestly I bet its from Jeff's pro audio days where they destroy speakers. From speaking with him many times and seeing the kind of guy he is I can't see him going "well its been 18 months, its gonna be $800 to repair"
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Just wondering....how come the warranty for JTR speakers is only 1 year? Not trying to raise eyebrows or say they make unreliable products, but I find the 1 year warranty on a speaker for a high-end product a bit odd (electronics and subwoofers an exception).

It’s very expensive to build a speaker that sounds good, has lots of power handling and is built to last a lifetime. JTR only charges a very small percent over the actually cost to build the speakers. Typically, the larger manufactures charge 2-3 times what it cost them to build their speakers. We give you a lot more for your dollar.

Testing has shown that any manufacture defect will show up within a year. If a defect were to show up after a year, I wouldn't have a problem taking caring of it. I am fair and like to help out people however I wouldn't let people take advantage of me by trying to claim warranty on something they had broken, abused or misused.

No one has ever blown a JTR speaker in the home market and no one has ever blown a midrange or woofer in a Triple loudspeaker in the pro market.
Only three pro sound engineers have blown tweeters, which have a replaceable diaphragm ($15 part, 10 minutes to replace).
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Part of the problem here Jeff - thanks to your darn over-engineering, is that it takes at least a thousand dollars worth of amplification to even be capable of damaging one of your speakers .
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Have you looked at making in wall speakers.Of your T8 or T12's.
Jeff Permanian's Avatar Jeff Permanian
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Have you looked at making in wall speakers.Of your T8 or T12's.

The biggest problem is the coaxial being near 7" deep.
RMK!'s Avatar RMK!
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It’s very expensive to build a speaker that sounds good, has lots of power handling and is built to last a lifetime. JTR only charges a very small percent over the actually cost to build the speakers. Typically, the larger manufactures charge 2-3 times what it cost them to build their speakers. We give you a lot more for your dollar.

Testing has shown that any manufacture defect will show up within a year. If a defect were to show up after a year, I wouldn't have a problem taking caring of it. I am fair and like to help out people however I wouldn't let people take advantage of me by trying to claim warranty on something they had broken, abused or misused.

No one has ever blown a JTR speaker in the home market and no one has ever blown a midrange or woofer in a Triple loudspeaker in the pro market.
Only three pro sound engineers have blown tweeters, which have a replaceable diaphragm ($15 part, 10 minutes to replace).


Blowing one of the tweeters is my new mission in life

But seriously, outside of the fantastic job they do in my HT, one of the best things I have found about Jeff's speakers is the ability to field upgrade. I have some of the original Triple 12LF's and they have had the coaxial drivers and crossovers changed to make them 2009 models. I am considering buying the new 2010 midrange and crossover to make them equivalent to the new models. What other speaker manufacturer gives you this option? Now if the cabinet design changes significantly this may rule out future upgrades but thus far, I have enjoyed this inexpensive way to upgrade the SQ of my speakers.

BTW, if you find assembling a bookshelf from IKEA challenging, don't attempt this yourself .
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BTW, if you find assembling a bookshelf from IKEA challenging, don't attempt this yourself .

Challenging? More like impossible.

My mother says I am special in other ways though.

Did I mention I destroyed 2 t nuts on my speakers changing the alignment of the coax? ha
Jeff Permanian's Avatar Jeff Permanian
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Blowing one of the tweeters is my new mission in life

Good luck! You don't have enough amp
goonstopher's Avatar goonstopher
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Good luck! You don't have enough amp

How about too little, clip it instead
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Why don't you get HealthNut to loan you one of his LabGruppen FP14000+ amps - that could probably suffice , 14000 watts is a lot.
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Why don't you get HealthNut to loan you one of his LabGruppen FP14000+ amps - that could probably suffice , 14000 watts is a lot.

Don't forget its own dedicated circuit to power it. I guess 60 amps would do the trick.

Jeff, didn't you mention you're using an FP7000 for your personal set of Triple 8's?
Jeff Permanian's Avatar Jeff Permanian
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Jeff, didn't you mention you're using an FP7000 for your personal set of Triple 8's?

Yup and have flickered clip lights for hours without damage. Turning it up past there will trip the tweeter protector. Full red lights for hours still didn't damage the crossover, mid or woofers. Don't try this at home; this was done in a controlled environment (my living room) by professionals (playing rock 'n' roll).
goonstopher's Avatar goonstopher
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Isn't under powering more dangerous?
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Isn't under powering more dangerous?


Clipping is very hazardous to a speaker.
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Would about 270 at 4ohms be enough to run the new T12s in a room 15X25X8 at reference levels without clipping? Question for Jeff!!! Also, I had read that the new T12s have a better high frequency response. Would that result in more detail (i.e. a noticeable high frequency production improvement)???
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Would about 270 at 4ohms be enough to run the new T12s in a room 15X25X8 at reference levels without clipping? Question for Jeff!!! Also, I had read that the new T12s have a better high frequency response. Would that result in more detail (i.e. a noticeable high frequency production improvement)???

Jeff can certainly answer better than I can but I would think that 270 watts should be plenty. The T12s are 101db @ 1w and 270w is around 24db of gain(might have screwed that up), and assuming you sit about 4m back you'll still have roughly 113db of output which is plenty above reference.
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Just heard from Jeff and my 6 custom S8s will be on there way to me by the end of the week.

I can't wait to get these installed as my surrounds for a complete 11.1 system.

Well, except for the subs. Still trying to decide what I'll do there.

Louis
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I am glad to see all the people changing to real dynamic stuff for HT. I would not even consider anything else but JTR, Seaton, and Danley. Of course I am using monster JBL's but they won't fit in most setups.
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I am glad to see all the people changing to real dynamic stuff for HT. I would not even consider anything else but JTR, Seaton, and Danley. Of course I am using monster JBL's but they won't fit in most setups.

In addition to the value for money that JTR brings the narrower profile works better in multi-purpose room then something like JBL or Danley.

Louis
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In addition to the value for money that JTR brings the narrower profile works better in multi-purpose room then something like JBL or Danley.

Louis

Correct. My JBL's are even setup to their best due to their size.
hpc's Avatar hpc
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I placed my order for a pair of 2010 T-12's.

Is anyone driving T-12's with tube amps (for music)?


Cheers,

LDM
WilsonL's Avatar WilsonL
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I placed my order for a pair of 2010 T-12's.

Is anyone driving T-12's with tube amps (for music)?


Cheers,

LDM

that would be interesting!
DaveUpton's Avatar DaveUpton
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Always thought of JTR's as a high power speaker.

Edit* that is... unless you have a few grand to drop on a 100WPC tube monoblock for each channel.
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I just put the order in for my new Triple 12's this Monday. Looking forward to reviewing them against the Klipsch Ultra 2 set up.
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Always thought of JTR's as a high power speaker.

Edit* that is... unless you have a few grand to drop on a 100WPC tube monoblock for each channel.

Why is that? They are very efficient and would be able to sing quite well even without much power.
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Why is that? They are very efficient and would be able to sing quite well even without much power.

That's something I never understood either. Why use high powered pro amps with high efficiency speakers? Seems backwards to me.

Can't wait for my three 2010 T12's to get here soon!

Wes
DaveUpton's Avatar DaveUpton
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I suppose I should clarify - I have always thought one of the main attractions (in addition to their great sound) is their ability to play at tremendous volumes with no distortion. I don't think of them like typical audiophile speakers, even if that's a misconception on my part.

I'm sure they'll perform admirably with a tube amp - I simply enjoy them in a different fashion myself.
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I owned a set of Hifi speakers and didn't find myself wanting to listen to music until I got the JTR's. The tube idea would be pretty interesting though.
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It looks like there will be several new 2010 Triple 12 owners .

Good thing Jeff doesn't mind 12-14hr days .
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I decided to start developing an "optional" crossovers with warm and laid back sound. Will be available on all models. If you have speakers on order and would like the optional crossover than give me a call or email me.
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