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mainly to get them around ear height. I have a projection screen and need more room as its not acoustic. also i have my 80" tv that i did not want to move, and i wanted all my speakers in the same orientation which is vertical.

i have them decoupled from my hardwood floors. i usually use the gramma pads from auralex, but i'm trying some "audiophile" stuff now from herbies audio lab.

Horn top config costs more money, due to the engineering fee for non standard configurations.
getting the horn at ear height is priority one. It is also interesting to test though with the mid bass woofers closer to 1/4 distance from boundaries. depending on your ceiling height the standard configuration put on stands can get you closer to that. Now if you can also move them away from the side wall 1/4 length of the total width for left and right speakers it CAN (not always) further improve the resonse in room. it did in my set up. never know until you test though.
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I noticed that the triple 8s are only $300 more a piece than the single slanted 8s, it would seem like for the additional increase I would be getting a good bit more from the rears. Could anyone shed some light on choosing between the 2? Thanks

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Also the triples have a 3db higher sensitivity which would match the 228s closer. I wonder if one had there eyes closed and listened to both, what the difference would be?

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Well the Triple 8HT-lp has been recommended by several here for side surround usage primarily as the sides get the biggest workout. The lp version is quite compact at 25.5x9.6x7.5 deep. The coaxial designs have a wider dispersion than the horns so have been recommended more for surrounds. The Triple 8HT-lp is what I am going to order for sides. Not sure if there is much benefit over the regular Single 8HT versions for rears as so little sound is directed to them in my experience.
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I noticed that the triple 8s are only $300 more a piece than the single slanted 8s, it would seem like for the additional increase I would be getting a good bit more from the rears. Could anyone shed some light on choosing between the 2? Thanks

Is the T8 better then a S8?...yes

Would it make a better surround?...probably

Is it worth the extra $300 over a S8 for surround use?..... In my opinion no, unless you can find a good deal on a used pair of T8's I would be more inclined to say go with the S8 and use the money saved else where. The S8 is MORE then enough speaker to use as surrounds. Unless you're listen to Blu-ray quality multi-channel music I personally don't think it's worth the extra money for surrounds.

The S8 is probably more speaker as surrounds compared to 95% of the market.
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Wow. I'm sure a 215 version of the Noesis would be a spectacular combination of superb clarity and immense midbass.
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Wow. I'm sure a 215 version of the Noesis would be a spectacular combination of superb clarity and immense midbass.

If Jeff designs these flat, like he did the 212's, I'm not so sure there will be any increased midbass. I suspect, just as with the 212's, the house curve will need to be implemented with a midbass hump or midbass modules will need to be implemented to gain that extra midbass output.
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I asked Jeff about the sonic differences between the 3tx and 212.  His response didn't answer my question.  By specs the 212 can play 20 hz lower than the 3tx which seems significant even with a subwoofer.
The 3TX is in a much smaller cabinet then the 212 and weighs 53lbs vs 125lbs. I am surprised there is only a 20hz difference. The bigger the cabinet (more internal volume) the Lower the speaker will play. The 215 started at 20hz in a 5' cabinet and was increased to 6' so it could go down to 18hz.
There is not really any sonic differences in any of JTR speakers. They remain neutral and true to the original source material . Usually sonic differences are attributed to AVRs and some amps.smile.gif
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Is the T8 better then a S8?...yes

Would it make a better surround?...probably

Is it worth the extra $300 over a S8 for surround use?..... In my opinion no, unless you can find a good deal on a used pair of T8's I would be more inclined to say go with the S8 and use the money saved else where. The S8 is MORE then enough speaker to use as surrounds. Unless you're listen to Blu-ray quality multi-channel music I personally don't think it's worth the extra money for surrounds.

The S8 is probably more speaker as surrounds compared to 95% of the market.

Makes sense, thanks bro that helps me sort out the differences.

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Also the triples have a 3db higher sensitivity which would match the 228s closer. I wonder if one had there eyes closed and listened to both, what the difference would be?
The T8 has 2 x 8" mid bass woofers, a bigger cabinet, and a little more complicated XO when compared to the a S8. This will account for a little bigger soundstage This would be more noticeable with LCR then when used as surrounds. When using these for surrounds most elect the T8 LP model which is smaller overall and matches the S8 better then the HT model.
A good combination would be T8LP sides and Slanted 8 rears.
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How would you guys rate the Single8 against the much cheaper ChaseHT's Theater-10? rolleyes.gif
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The T8 has 2 x 8" mid bass woofers, a bigger cabinet, and a little more complicated XO when compared to the a S8. This will account for a little bigger soundstage This would be more noticeable with LCR then when used as surrounds. When using these for surrounds most elect the T8 LP model which is smaller overall and matches the S8 better then the HT model.
A good combination would be T8LP sides and Slanted 8 rears.
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Guys-

I will be building a large dedicated theater, approx. 30' x 20' x 12'. Based on my reading good portion of this thread, for 95% movies/5% music ..the 228HT are the way to go. If I were to go 9.1 channels:

Question 1:
Is it better to go with: JTR 228HT x 8 plus Cap S1 or S2 Sub? (Is 228's for surrounds a waste???)

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228HT x 3 for LCR and 5 x slant 8 for the rest plus sub?


Question 2:
I was going to get Marantz AV8801 pre-pro with 2-3 Crown XLS pro amps(400-600 watt per channel type ) to cover all 8 channels...With the super sensitivity of JTR speakers is this a waste? (Will I get to ref level at -35 on the volume knob?)


Question 3: I have now Swan Divas 6.1/4.1/C3 center channel speakers for 8 years. They still sound and look beautiful. This system will go into the family room. Based on the this thread's enthusiam will I notice a step up moving to 228's for movies? (JTR cost 2X+ Swans) Marantz SR7008 Receiver causes the Swan 6.1 mid-range to vibrate violently at ref level, during Dark Knight Rises. Need to back off some from reference, but is still sounds great. I dont like having to back off from reference level.

Any thoughts appreciated?

Might hold off until the 215 Monster appears? but most likely out of my $$$ range..


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How would you guys rate the Single8 against the much cheaper ChaseHT's Theater-10? rolleyes.gif
Maybe Gorilla can chime in here to help as he had two pair of Sho 10's and he has heard the single 8. I think most people that hear the single 8 for the first time are pretty surprised or better yet "shocked" at how well they sound. That should give you an idea.
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Guys-

I will be building a large dedicated theater, approx. 30' x 20' x 12'. Based on my reading good portion of this thread, for 95% movies/5% music ..the 228HT are the way to go. If I were to go 9.1 channels:

Question 1:
Is it better to go with: JTR 228HT x 8 plus Cap S1 or S2 Sub? (Is 228's for surrounds a waste???)

or

228HT x 3 for LCR and 5 x slant 8 for the rest plus sub?


Question 2:
I was going to get Marantz AV8801 pre-pro with 2-3 Crown XLS pro amps(400-600 watt per channel type ) to cover all 8 channels...With the super sensitivity of JTR speakers is this a waste? (Will I get to ref level at -35 on the volume knob?)


Question 3: I have now Swan Divas 6.1/4.1/C3 center channel speakers for 8 years. They still sound and look beautiful. This system will go into the family room. Based on the this thread's enthusiam will I notice a step up moving to 228's for movies? (JTR cost 2X+ Swans) Marantz SR7008 Receiver causes the Swan 6.1 mid-range to vibrate violently at ref level, during Dark Knight Rises. Need to back off some from reference, but is still sounds great. I dont like having to back off from reference level.

Any thoughts appreciated?

Might hold off until the 215 Monster appears? but most likely out of my $$$ range..


Thanks Vince

I would go with 228 for LCR and Slanted 8's for your 6 surrounds. The controlled directivity of the horns may not be as good for surrounds if you are trying to cover all the seats, and you can put the money you save towards an S2.

I would hold off on purchasing separates as they will probably not be needed. You will be able to hit reference with a decent receiver and will not have to back off. The JTR's will be cruising at reference.

A few pages back a member was talking about how 4 Triple 8's fill his 38,000 square foot showroom with sound. There is not a home theater out there where they are not overkill.
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Guys-

I will be building a large dedicated theater, approx. 30' x 20' x 12'. Based on my reading good portion of this thread, for 95% movies/5% music ..the 228HT are the way to go. If I were to go 9.1 channels:

Question 1:
Is it better to go with: JTR 228HT x 8 plus Cap S1 or S2 Sub? (Is 228's for surrounds a waste???)

or

228HT x 3 for LCR and 5 x slant 8 for the rest plus sub?


Question 2:
I was going to get Marantz AV8801 pre-pro with 2-3 Crown XLS pro amps(400-600 watt per channel type ) to cover all 8 channels...With the super sensitivity of JTR speakers is this a waste? (Will I get to ref level at -35 on the volume knob?)


Question 3: I have now Swan Divas 6.1/4.1/C3 center channel speakers for 8 years. They still sound and look beautiful. This system will go into the family room. Based on the this thread's enthusiam will I notice a step up moving to 228's for movies? (JTR cost 2X+ Swans) Marantz SR7008 Receiver causes the Swan 6.1 mid-range to vibrate violently at ref level, during Dark Knight Rises. Need to back off some from reference, but is still sounds great. I dont like having to back off from reference level.

Any thoughts appreciated?

Might hold off until the 215 Monster appears? but most likely out of my $$$ range..


Thanks Vince

I had the swan diva's long ago smile.gif Wonderful little speaker for sure....That was until I blew a tweeter and midrange my first run through Tron!! eek.gifeek.gif

I also have the 8801 and crown drivecore amp and can tell you, they are both wonderful pieces and the added benefit of of the gain adjustment on the crown is very nice with higher sensitivity speakers such as the 228's or 212's.

For a space that size, I would suggest focusing on possibly more bass. a single cap s1 will not cut it at reference, IMO. A single cap s2 can, but adding another will yield some excellent results. If it were me, I'd skip on the 228 surrounds and go s8, with another s2 biggrin.gif my 0.02
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How would you guys rate the Single8 against the much cheaper ChaseHT's Theater-10? rolleyes.gif

Being a current Chase owner and having heard the S8, I would say the S8 impressed me as having more resolution of detail, but the Chase is no slouch, just maybe a small step down in SQ. I think it's a bit better CD in the S8, which accounts for the difference. But I will not say one is better than the other with any great degree of certainty without an AB comparison.
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Being a current Chase owner and having heard the S8, I would say the S8 impressed me as having more resolution of detail, but the Chase is no slouch, just maybe a small step down in SQ. I think it's a bit better CD in the S8, which accounts for the difference. But I will not say one is better than the other with any great degree of certainty without an AB comparison.

Having said that the Chase is a great bang for buck as it is $300 and the S8 is $900. The theater 10 sounds livelier than the SHO-10 and the midbass is better now. I wonder what would sound better, a single 8 or a front stage? Now of course if one has the budget 3 S8's could be the way to go.

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228HT for upfornt and S8 for the rears sounds good....

I got bit by the Marantz bug, I have had Anthem AVM30, Outlaw 990, (both very nice sounding units).... and now Marantz SR7008 has taken movies to new level sound-wise with the Swans...

I could save $$$ buy a another Marantz receiver for the dedicated room save $$$ for an S2 or dual S2's (beastAudio reccomendation) ...teeth might fall out
I have the Axiom EP500 sub which produces good bass in the family room..Might be time to step up to JTR bass; shake the fish out of the tank level bass?


Thanks guys for the advice....


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What would be some good surrounds/rears to go with the 212HT-LPs that would fit in 7" deep columns? Does Jeff make the single 8HT in custom sizes? Jeff isn't very responsive on emails, I know it's probably a busy time for him right now but I want to get at least some 212s ordered before the end of the year.
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What would be some good surrounds/rears to go with the 212HT-LPs that would fit in 7" deep columns? Does Jeff make the single 8HT in custom sizes? Jeff isn't very responsive on emails, I know it's probably a busy time for him right now but I want to get at least some 212s ordered before the end of the year.
The Single 8 HT-LP is only 7" deep. Jeff has been known to make custom enclosures in the past. He can probably make something that will work for you.
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What would be some good surrounds/rears to go with the 212HT-LPs that would fit in 7" deep columns? Does Jeff make the single 8HT in custom sizes? Jeff isn't very responsive on emails, I know it's probably a busy time for him right now but I want to get at least some 212s ordered before the end of the year.

It can't be stressed enough, call him. You're going to get a way faster response then emailing him.
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What would be some good surrounds/rears to go with the 212HT-LPs that would fit in 7" deep columns? Does Jeff make the single 8HT in custom sizes? Jeff isn't very responsive on emails, I know it's probably a busy time for him right now but I want to get at least some 212s ordered before the end of the year.

he can get it done for a modest engineering charge. Call him though, it takes forever to exchange emails.
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Having said that the Chase is a great bang for buck as it is $300 and the S8 is $900. The theater 10 sounds livelier than the SHO-10 and the midbass is better now. I wonder what would sound better, a single 8 or a front stage? Now of course if one has the budget 3 S8's could be the way to go.

Agreed MK, great value so long as you're not a nitpicker on the little stuff. smile.gif
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Agreed MK, great value so long as you're not a nitpicker on the little stuff. smile.gif

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Hello, this my first post to AVS. Spoke to Jeff and he suggested I post here in hopes of finding someone in the LA area who might be willing to give me a listen. This is perhaps the strangest thing I have ever done but after reading 50 pages of the jtr forum I can't help myself. Live in the coastal region (90275) and am willing to drive as far as vegas or sacramento. You guys have amazing systems! Never knew anything like this existed outside a movie theater.  Almost bought some tekton speakers because they play to 120 db but then found jtr & seaton a couple weeks ago online. Beleive I've read everything i could find on jtr. Currenlty have mid level yamaha avr, emotiva 5 x 200 amp which is probably overkill with active subs in all 5 speakers, definitive technologies st8080 L & R, 8080 center, older def tech 8040 towers in the rear,one svs pb13 ultra sub. 70/30 movie/music. Any help appreciated!


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Hello, this my first post to AVS. Spoke to Jeff and he suggested I post here in hopes of finding someone in the LA area who might be willing to give me a listen. This is perhaps the strangest thing I have ever done but after reading 50 pages of the jtr forum I can't help myself. Live in the coastal region (90275) and am willing to drive as far as vegas or sacramento. You guys have amazing systems! Never knew anything like this existed outside a movie theater.  Almost bought some tekton speakers because they play to 120 db but then found jtr & seaton a couple weeks ago online. Beleive I've read everything i could find on jtr. Currenlty have mid level yamaha avr, emotiva 5 x 200 amp which is probably overkill with active subs in all 5 speakers, definitive technologies st8080 L & R, 8080 center, older def tech 8040 towers in the rear,one svs pb13 ultra sub. 70/30 movie/music. Any help appreciated!


RMK you are in the area he is willing to travel to right?

JF56, once you hear the 212's you might be adjusting that 70/30 movie/music ratio! smile.gif
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Guess Jeff figures anyone crazy enough to have a system like some of these in this forum might be crazy enough to let a stranger in there house? :)


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Guess Jeff figures anyone crazy enough to have a system like some of these in this forum might be crazy enough to let a stranger in there house? smile.gif

I'm sure any of the regular posters on this thread are more then willing to have people over to hear their JTR speakers all in the good name of spreading the joy of hearing JTR speakers.

Last week I had someone over to my place to hear my 228HT's, it was nice to meet another fellow forum member. I think I'm the only guy in my area of Canada with any of the new Noesis speakers.

Its funny though because my wife always watches shows like "Criminal Minds" and she's paranoid some serial killer wants to come over or someone casing the place to rob us.....lol

I told that to the forum member and I think he felt bad because he brought a nice bottle of wine to give to her for allowing him over!...lol smile.gif
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