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countryWV's Avatar countryWV 03:49 PM 12-01-2013
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Thanks, I'm trying to familiarize myself with JTRs and justify paying $3,000 for each 212 verse $1,800 for each 228. I just don't want to blow too much on my bedroom setup but realistically it might be a while until I buy a house and do a dedicated build so I still need my bedroom to keep me occupied for the time being. I'm thinkin it could take from 1-2 years until I can have a real setup built so for now I'd like to finalize my first temporary setup and JTRs could get me there. My goal is to not add anything else next year, just enjoy what I have and spend the whole year saving. After JTRs I'll be around $60k spent so I've gotta stop myself eek.gif . I wish I could hear some 228s to see the difference but I might have to depend on others feedback.
Noesis 212 = $2199

Noesis 228 = $1199

Veneers would be about $300 per speaker but the stock finish would match the triaxes standard finish. Stand are $150 -$200. these prices are before any discount Jeff may give.

Chris

Blackmambakila's Avatar Blackmambakila 03:54 PM 12-01-2013
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Noesis 212 = $2199

Noesis 228 = $1199

Veneers would be about $300 per speaker but the stock finish would match the triaxes standard finish. Stand are $150 -$200. these prices are before any discount Jeff may give.

Chris

Wait I've been reading the prices wrong eek.gif each 212 is only $2,199?????
Blackmambakila's Avatar Blackmambakila 03:57 PM 12-01-2013
I was thinking I'd have to pay $3,000 for each 212, I don't want any extra finish or anything
countryWV's Avatar countryWV 03:58 PM 12-01-2013
Blackmambakila's Avatar Blackmambakila 04:26 PM 12-01-2013
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http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/noesis-212ht/

Check it out.smile.gif

Chris

I feel stupid, i was thinking the lower price was for distributors, man I'm dumb! Well if I get 212s for $2199 each or lower then I'm getting all 212s! As soon as Christmas is over I'm ordering them, I can't wait!
Blackmambakila's Avatar Blackmambakila 04:27 PM 12-01-2013
I can't wait to have real speakers, this will be awesome biggrin.gif
ufokillerz's Avatar ufokillerz 04:38 PM 12-01-2013
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I feel stupid, i was thinking the lower price was for distributors, man I'm dumb! Well if I get 212s for $2199 each or lower then I'm getting all 212s! As soon as Christmas is over I'm ordering them, I can't wait!
price increases January 1st, keep that in mind =)

it takes a while to get through to Jeff too.
Blackmambakila's Avatar Blackmambakila 04:44 PM 12-01-2013
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price increases January 1st, keep that in mind =)

it takes a while to get through to Jeff too.

Really, hmmm I wonder if I could put half down before that just to lock them in?
dlbeck's Avatar dlbeck 04:46 PM 12-01-2013
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Really, hmmm I wonder if I could put half down before that just to lock them in?

Give him a call. He usually requires 100% down but may consider it.
Blackmambakila's Avatar Blackmambakila 04:49 PM 12-01-2013
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Give him a call. He usually requires 100% down but may consider it.

Yeah I'll have to try because I know I have half now then shortly after Christmas I'd have the rest, man I'd love to get them for $2,199 but either way I'll get them biggrin.gif
countryWV's Avatar countryWV 05:02 PM 12-01-2013
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Really, hmmm I wonder if I could put half down before that just to lock them in?
He will let you do that to lock the price in. Just have to pay the rest when your ready to process. I got mine 4 weeks after final payment.
Chris
Blackmambakila's Avatar Blackmambakila 05:34 PM 12-01-2013
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He will let you do that to lock the price in. Just have to pay the rest when your ready to process. I got mine 4 weeks after final payment.
Chris

That would be awesome! I'm going to call him soon and preorder 3 - 212's before January 1st and ask him to pay half down. Then while they're being built I'll pay the last half before they're done. Meanwhile I'll see exactly what I want to do for rears, I'll have to look on the site again. My goal is to have them sound good with just my receiver, but worst case scenario I'll get a real good external amp if I have to. I wonder what peaks I'd be hitting with 212s on a receiver rated at 225w rms each channel at 4ohms? I know it's not that strong but hopefully it'll do better than what my current 89dbs fronts and 86dbd center speaker sensitivity are doing. I was stupid to buy those but that was in the beginning of doing my setup and they are barely hanging on to the volume levels that I'm wanting. Even the drivers are too small, soundstage with the 212s should be much larger and detailed I imagine.
countryWV's Avatar countryWV 05:48 PM 12-01-2013
As long as you are running High Sensitivity surrounds like the Slanted 8s or any other JTR speaker your AVR will drive them past reference just fine. These speakers are Unreal when it comes to efficiency. Jeff underrates his speakers true sensitivity.smile.gif
Chris
Gooddoc's Avatar Gooddoc 05:48 PM 12-01-2013
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I've been having an itch lately for jumping on some JTRs eek.gif I'm thinking about getting 228s for the fronts and center and slanted 8s for rears on a 5.2 setup with 2 PSA Triaxes as the subwoofers. With my current bowers and Wilkins, when I crank the volume they get distortion during some scenes in movies and it's getting annoying. Other than that they do great but I know JTRs would blow them away and put me where I want. I'm hoping to avoid an external amplifier for now and just run them off a Denon 4520ci receiver, not sure if this is realistic or not. I see that they are booked a month in advance so I'm debating on pulling the trigger soon. One thing I'm stuck on is should I pay the extra for 212s or just get 228s? Obviously the 212s would close the deal on a mind blowing experience but would I be in doubt getting the 228s? How much difference would it be in the end? I just want to be able to run movies and music at high volumes, well above reference and not get any distortion. Help! eek.gif

Although there is concensus on this thread that anything more than an AVR is overkill for the Noesis 212's, I will point to a post by Tom Danley that is in opposition to that assertion. The SH-50 he uses is every bit as sensitive as the Noesis.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1189404/danley-dts-10-super-spud-diy-kit/210#post_17409024

Interesting to see different opinions using the same apparent methodology.
lbrown105's Avatar lbrown105 05:58 PM 12-01-2013
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Although there is concensus on this thread that anything more than an AVR is overkill for the Noesis 212's, I will point to a post by Tom Danley that is in opposition to that assertion. The SH-50 he uses is every bit as sensitive as the Noesis.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1189404/danley-dts-10-super-spud-diy-kit/210#post_17409024

Interesting to see different opinions using the same apparent methodology.
+1 I have also had many discussions with Jeff on this too and although coming from a 89dB sensitive speaker to the Noesis 212 or the SH-50 will be very dramatic if you really want to see what it can do match it with an amp that can cleanly hit the program power rating of the speaker. In the case of the Noesis I believe that is 2000 watts. Of course listening distance, room size, room damping and listening habits will guide whether it is a good personal choice to go beyond the amp in a typical AVR.
Blackmambakila's Avatar Blackmambakila 06:31 PM 12-01-2013
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+1 I have also had many discussions with Jeff on this too and although coming from a 89dB sensitive speaker to the Noesis 212 or the SH-50 will be very dramatic if you really want to see what it can do match it with an amp that can cleanly hit the program power rating of the speaker. In the case of the Noesis I believe that is 2000 watts. Of course listening distance, room size, room damping and listening habits will guide whether it is a good personal choice to go beyond the amp in a typical AVR.

So basically with my current receiver I'd take a Great Leap Forward in overall soundstage and quality, but if I run a high quality, powerful external amplifier I'd be able to see full potential in the 212's. I guess I'm safe to make the upgrade and keep an eye out for good prices on a beastly amp. If I were to see something soon after the JTR's are setup then I'd probably give it a try. I'll research amplifiers in the meantime so that I will know what would be a good match for these speakers.
Gooddoc's Avatar Gooddoc 06:49 PM 12-01-2013
I would say there are different opinions as to your conclusion.

I didn't post the Danley link as a definitive position on the topic of amps, but to give an alternative viewpoint.
lbrown105's Avatar lbrown105 06:54 PM 12-01-2013
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So basically with my current receiver I'd take a Great Leap Forward in overall soundstage and quality, but if I run a high quality, powerful external amplifier I'd be able to see full potential in the 212's. I guess I'm safe to make the upgrade and keep an eye out for good prices on a beastly amp. If I were to see something soon after the JTR's are setup then I'd probably give it a try. I'll research amplifiers in the meantime so that I will know what would be a good match for these speakers.
I think that is the best approach because you are going to see a huge gain with the higher sensitivity 212's, then if you want even more clean SPL later you can add more power later. You may find you don't need it but it is always an option if you need it. The LG FP+10000Q is a great match for the Noesis. I don't have one yet but Gooddoc does and Jeff agreed it is a very capable amp to maximize sound quality at high SPL for the 212's.
jbrown15's Avatar jbrown15 07:16 PM 12-01-2013
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Thanks, I'm trying to familiarize myself with JTRs and justify paying $3,000 for each 212 verse $1,800 for each 228. I just don't want to blow too much on my bedroom setup but realistically it might be a while until I buy a house and do a dedicated build so I still need my bedroom to keep me occupied for the time being. I'm thinkin it could take from 1-2 years until I can have a real setup built so for now I'd like to finalize my first temporary setup and JTRs could get me there. My goal is to not add anything else next year, just enjoy what I have and spend the whole year saving. After JTRs I'll be around $60k spent so I've gotta stop myself eek.gif . I wish I could hear some 228s to see the difference but I might have to depend on others feedback.

Here's an idea that might really work well for you, so bare with me while I explain my suggestion.

Why not get three 228HT's for your LCR's and two Slant 8's for surrounds. Like you've said this is your bedroom setup and you could be two years away from buying a place where you can build a dedicated theatre room.
Then when you finally do buy a house and can build a theatre room you can buy three 212HT's to use as your LCR's and buy an extra 228HT, then use the three 228HT's plus the extra one you would buy and use them as your surrounds and then take the Slant 8's as front heights or wides.

The end setup would be pretty amazing, 9.2 using three 212HT's , four 228HT's, two Slant 8's and two PSA Triax subs eek.gifeek.gif
Blackmambakila's Avatar Blackmambakila 07:35 PM 12-01-2013
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I think that is the best approach because you are going to see a huge gain with the higher sensitivity 212's, then if you want even more clean SPL later you can add more power later. You may find you don't need it but it is always an option if you need it. The LG FP+10000Q is a great match for the Noesis. I don't have one yet but Gooddoc does and Jeff agreed it is a very capable amp to maximize sound quality at high SPL for the 212's.

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Blackmambakila's Avatar Blackmambakila 07:38 PM 12-01-2013
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I think that is the best approach because you are going to see a huge gain with the higher sensitivity 212's, then if you want even more clean SPL later you can add more power later. You may find you don't need it but it is always an option if you need it. The LG FP+10000Q is a great match for the Noesis. I don't have one yet but Gooddoc does and Jeff agreed it is a very capable amp to maximize sound quality at high SPL for the 212's.

How much does that beast cost? biggrin.gif the forum is getting glitchy eek.gif
Blackmambakila's Avatar Blackmambakila 07:43 PM 12-01-2013
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Here's an idea that might really work well for you, so bare with me while I explain my suggestion.

Why not get three 228HT's for your LCR's and two Slant 8's for surrounds. Like you've said this is your bedroom setup and you could be two years away from buying a place where you can build a dedicated theatre room.
Then when you finally do buy a house and can build a theatre room you can buy three 212HT's to use as your LCR's and buy an extra 228HT, then use the three 228HT's plus the extra one you would buy and use them as your surrounds and then take the Slant 8's as front heights or wides.

The end setup would be pretty amazing, 9.2 using three 212HT's , four 228HT's, two Slant 8's and two PSA Triax subs eek.gifeek.gif

I like the way you think smile.gif only thing is that once I actually have the $ ready for a real build, I'll be buying everything at one time and whatever the latest gear is out by then is what I'll be using. This setup will just be kept complete for my future bedroom in the next house biggrin.gif I'm going to spend a good year or 2 just saving, then it will go for the right house and all out on a setup, by then I'll have funds to accomplish an all new setup.
Blackmambakila's Avatar Blackmambakila 07:46 PM 12-01-2013
Plus I'm not sure how the room will be or what gear will go with it, it'll be a complex process but I'll have to wait until I get closer to actually have ideas. Who knows what will be out by then eek.gif
J's Avatar J 07:56 PM 12-01-2013
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. The LG FP+10000Q is a great match for the Noesis. I don't have one yet but Gooddoc does and Jeff agreed it is a very capable amp to maximize sound quality at high SPL for the 212's.

I cant believe you want more power eek.gif

I think the only thing keeping you from cracking drywall is your ceiling tiles act like a fuse lifting up 4 inches and relieving the pressure biggrin.gif

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Blackmambakila's Avatar Blackmambakila 08:00 PM 12-01-2013
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I cant believe you want more power eek.gif

I think the only think keeping you from cracking drywall is your ceiling tiles act like a fuse lifting up 4 inches and relieving the pressure biggrin.gif

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Lol! Man this is why I want a real build one day, just to be able to bring down walls with the touch of a remote! biggrin.gif
lbrown105's Avatar lbrown105 08:01 PM 12-01-2013
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How much does that beast cost? biggrin.gif the forum is getting glitchy eek.gif
I have seen new as low as 4.8K and barely used B stock for as low as 3.5k on ebay in the last year. It is 4 channel so if you power LCR you still have an extra channel for an additional sub or mid bass module or whatever. Of course there are other good pro options like QSC or yamaha. Prosoft also makes some amazing amps from what I have read but they are more expensive than LG. Personally the LG is at the top of my list right now.
lbrown105's Avatar lbrown105 08:10 PM 12-01-2013
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I cant believe you want more power eek.gif

I think the only think keeping you from cracking drywall is your ceiling tiles act like a fuse lifting up 4 inches and relieving the pressure biggrin.gif

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J, it's funny you mention that because since you guys came over for the GTG I have pretty much decided this spring I will have the ceiling done with 5/8" DD, GG via channel and whisper clips and of course keep the insulation between the joists. Plus I think all of the adjacent rooms will have standard 5/8" drywall and insulation installed. I am sure it will increase the bass even more in the room and reduce it upstairs. That plus the LG 10k and some S8 rears and I should be good to go! Now I just have to find a good contractor in the area that is familiar with these types of installs and then we can have another GTG!
Blackmambakila's Avatar Blackmambakila 08:13 PM 12-01-2013
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J, it's funny you mention that because since you guys came over for the GTG I have pretty much decided this spring I will have the ceiling done with 5/8" DD, GG via channel and whisper clips and of course keep the insulation between the joists. Plus I think all of the adjacent rooms will have standard 5/8" drywall and insulation installed. I am sure it will increase the bass even more in the room and reduce it upstairs. That plus the LG 10k and some S8 rears and I should be good to go! Now I just have to find a good contractor in the area that is familiar with these types of installs and then we can have another GTG!

I want to come over! Holy cow! eek.gif
lbrown105's Avatar lbrown105 08:21 PM 12-01-2013
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I want to come over! Holy cow! eek.gif
Bmb, I see you are in Wyoming. At our last GTG, AVS member Sendtorbit cam all the way from Utah to attend. It was agreat time and I may another one in April next year. Looks like by then you will be a JTR owner yourself!
J's Avatar J 08:24 PM 12-01-2013
lbrown105

The ceiling tiles "dancing around" would be the only weakness that I noticed in your system . ( and being very grateful that I was able attend your GTG , I would not be the one to bring it up smile.gif )

On a side note , Jeff says that I should be able to try and fit a 50" box in the back of the daily driver on tues. cool.gif
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