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Hello, this my first post to AVS. Spoke to Jeff and he suggested I post here in hopes of finding someone in the LA area who might be willing to give me a listen. This is perhaps the strangest thing I have ever done but after reading 50 pages of the jtr forum I can't help myself. Live in the coastal region (90275) and am willing to drive as far as vegas or sacramento. You guys have amazing systems! Never knew anything like this existed outside a movie theater.  Almost bought some tekton speakers because they play to 120 db but then found jtr & seaton a couple weeks ago online. Beleive I've read everything i could find on jtr. Currenlty have mid level yamaha avr, emotiva 5 x 200 amp which is probably overkill with active subs in all 5 speakers, definitive technologies st8080 L & R, 8080 center, older def tech 8040 towers in the rear,one svs pb13 ultra sub. 70/30 movie/music. Any help appreciated!

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Hello, this my first post to AVS. Spoke to Jeff and he suggested I post here in hopes of finding someone in the LA area who might be willing to give me a listen. This is perhaps the strangest thing I have ever done but after reading 50 pages of the jtr forum I can't help myself. Live in the coastal region (90275) and am willing to drive as far as vegas or sacramento. You guys have amazing systems! Never knew anything like this existed outside a movie theater.  Almost bought some tekton speakers because they play to 120 db but then found jtr & seaton a couple weeks ago online. Beleive I've read everything i could find on jtr. Currenlty have mid level yamaha avr, emotiva 5 x 200 amp which is probably overkill with active subs in all 5 speakers, definitive technologies st8080 L & R, 8080 center, older def tech 8040 towers in the rear,one svs pb13 ultra sub. 70/30 movie/music. Any help appreciated!


RMK you are in the area he is willing to travel to right?

JF56, once you hear the 212's you might be adjusting that 70/30 movie/music ratio! smile.gif


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Guess Jeff figures anyone crazy enough to have a system like some of these in this forum might be crazy enough to let a stranger in there house? :)

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Guess Jeff figures anyone crazy enough to have a system like some of these in this forum might be crazy enough to let a stranger in there house? smile.gif

I'm sure any of the regular posters on this thread are more then willing to have people over to hear their JTR speakers all in the good name of spreading the joy of hearing JTR speakers.

Last week I had someone over to my place to hear my 228HT's, it was nice to meet another fellow forum member. I think I'm the only guy in my area of Canada with any of the new Noesis speakers.

Its funny though because my wife always watches shows like "Criminal Minds" and she's paranoid some serial killer wants to come over or someone casing the place to rob us.....lol

I told that to the forum member and I think he felt bad because he brought a nice bottle of wine to give to her for allowing him over!...lol smile.gif
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Guess Jeff figures anyone crazy enough to have a system like some of these in this forum might be crazy enough to let a stranger in there house? smile.gif

Ha, I've done it quite a few times and it's been a blast every time! If you lived close I'd be happy to give you a demo. smile.gif


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Ha, I've done it quite a few times and it's been a blast every time! If you lived close I'd be happy to give you a demo. smile.gif

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Ha, I've done it quite a few times and it's been a blast every time! If you lived close I'd be happy to give you a demo. smile.gif

And Carp is the reason (after a demo at his house) that my three 212lp's will be delivered on Wednesday!!
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Thanks for the offer carp! Came home to my better half this evening & pointed to a spot in the living room and said "do you know what would look good here" she said what, I replied another sub. She laughted, very supportive, she really liked the addition of the pb13 ultra sub several months ago. At time of purchase it was the most powerful sub I was aware of without spending 8K. You don't find the kinds of subs on this forum in high end audio stores or magnolia. I'm excited about hearing some of this equipment.

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^^ You are in for a good ride! You're going to hear some ridiculously awesome stuff if you get out to listen to some JTR systems.

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I should be getting my speakers at some point this month. PM me if your interested in hearing LCR Noesis 228's with a Cap 2400 sub in the DFW area. :)


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So far, I've had about 20 forum members from here, emotiva and a few others for auditions. Everyone always brings over stuff and I've yet to have a bad experience..... I't also helps 6'4 and have a dirty handlebar stash! lol

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That's funny! I'm in texas in Feb...keep you posted handlebars. Can't wait to hear this stuff. Was impressed after we picked up one svs pb13 ultra. Jeff says one orbit shifter is equal to two S2's. One S2 has 4 times the watts as my pb ultra. Notice one member is selling not one but 2 orbit shifters which is maybe 16 times the bass I currently have.  I think to myself what kind of speaker could even be heard over that kind of bass? Who thinks of a name like orbit shifter? Still not big enough for Jeff, notice he has a 6 foot 15" driver model coming soon which is about the right size to bury my deaf body in when I pass. 2 for 1 deal if we go for the 6 footers.  Perfect, I gotta hear this stuff!

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Not sure how 1 GTG can say that all amps will sound the same.

if a switching device was used, it could have changed the sound enough that everything sounded the same.

i have a ati 3006, sherbourn pa7-350, ep4000, face audio 1200ts, lab 14k clone, abletec 1000w amps, onkyo 3007 receiver, ncore400 amps, ncore1200 amps

there is a difference to me and some of my buddies that were over. nothing conclusive, but everyone would prefer the sound of something over something else, they all had different opinions as well.

I agree. I used to be staunchly against the thought of amps having any sonic differences. However after owning over 20 pro amps and home amps. My mind has changed. I no longer believe all amps sound the same. I actually was going to sell my current crop of speakers because I was not pleased with their high end response until I changed amps and their sound improved. However I do believe most low watt(100-300) amps and receivers sound the same.
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I guess I can do a JTR demo on the Pacific side here in Honolulu. I'll be having my complete JTR speaker setup by next year summer. Still have to take that trip to JTR headquarters in April. To hopefully demo the 210, 215, and the 212. I can't decide. I want listen to them first. But until then, I'll be having fun with my 4 Caps S2's..
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I guess I can do a JTR demo on the Pacific side here in Honolulu. I'll be having my complete JTR speaker setup by next year summer. Still have to take that trip to JTR headquarters in April. To hopefully demo the 210, 215, and the 212. I can't decide. I want listen to them first. But until then, I'll be having fun with my 4 Caps S2's..

I know that you really want to hear the speakers before buying them but honestly how would having either of the full range options help you over just getting the 212HT's when you have four Cap S2's?

I would think at the point you'd be buying them just to say you have them. I mean come on quad Cap S2's is crazy to begin with!...lol eek.gifsmile.gif
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Hello, this my first post to AVS. Spoke to Jeff and he suggested I post here in hopes of finding someone in the LA area who might be willing to give me a listen. This is perhaps the strangest thing I have ever done but after reading 50 pages of the jtr forum I can't help myself. Live in the coastal region (90275) and am willing to drive as far as vegas or sacramento. You guys have amazing systems! Never knew anything like this existed outside a movie theater.  Almost bought some tekton speakers because they play to 120 db but then found jtr & seaton a couple weeks ago online. Beleive I've read everything i could find on jtr. Currenlty have mid level yamaha avr, emotiva 5 x 200 amp which is probably overkill with active subs in all 5 speakers, definitive technologies st8080 L & R, 8080 center, older def tech 8040 towers in the rear,one svs pb13 ultra sub. 70/30 movie/music. Any help appreciated!

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RMK you are in the area he is willing to travel to right?

JF56, once you hear the 212's you might be adjusting that 70/30 movie/music ratio! smile.gif


Hey JF56, a JTR demo is only a drive to Sacramento away. Of course Southwest would be cheaper and faster but it's your time/money. wink.gif


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How loud do you guys think a Denon AVR-4520 would be able to drive either 228HT's or 212HT's too? Over 115dB?
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I know that you really want to hear the speakers before buying them but honestly how would having either of the full range options help you over just getting the 212HT's when you have four Cap S2's?

I would think at the point you'd be buying them just to say you have them. I mean come on quad Cap S2's is crazy to begin with!...lol eek.gifsmile.gif

I don't know bro.. Its that lil devil that talks to me on the left ear with that " pssst! I wonder!" or "pssst! What if!". Then the angel on the right saying "Have faith child. Just get them!". Lol.. We all know what im talking about. Thats why i need to do it my way. And decide myself. Besides I'll be at the Axpona 2014. And JTR headquaters is only 2-1/2 hours away. Nice trip for the family. Now the quad S2. That was the angel saying " Dont worry have faith. S2 is all you need!". Then the devil comes and says " What! No OS? Well you better get 4 caps you bastard.. Because it wont be enough for you!" lol!
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How loud do you guys think a Denon AVR-4520 would be able to drive either 228HT's or 212HT's too? Over 115dB?

Cruising! biggrin.gif

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Dynamic power: 170W x 2ch (8Ω); 280W x 2ch (4Ω)

• Continuous rating of 150W is 21.8dB gain [ dB = 10 x Log (Pout / Pin) ]; call it 22dB gain. So on a continuous/sustained basis, driving two channels, the 228HT's would theoretically reach: 98dB + 22dB = 120dBSPL @ 1m. The 212HT's would theoretically be 3dB louder, so: 123dBSPL @ 1m.

• Dynamic rating (T.H.D. unspecified?) of 280W (into 4Ω say) is 24.5dB gain, call it 24dB gain. So on a dynamic/peak basis, driving two channels, the 228HT's would theoretically reach: 98dB + 24dB = 122dBSPL @ 1m. The 212HT's would theoretically be 3dB louder, so: 125dBSPL @ 1m.

For the 228HT's, 115dBSPL @ 1m requires 17dB gain or 50W from the amp. For the 212HT's, 115dBSPL @ 1m requires 3dB less gain (half power) or 25W* from the amp.

That's what I reckon, but I defer to the masters. smile.gif

* This is why I lust after the Noesis 212HT-LP. biggrin.gif

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Thanks for the offer carp! Came home to my better half this evening & pointed to a spot in the living room and said "do you know what would look good here" she said what, I replied another sub. She laughted, very supportive, she really liked the addition of the pb13 ultra sub several months ago. At time of purchase it was the most powerful sub I was aware of without spending 8K. You don't find the kinds of subs on this forum in high end audio stores or magnolia. I'm excited about hearing some of this equipment.

Well, if you drive up to RMK's make sure you drive a truck and bring a checkbook because you will want to take those OS home.

Who knows, maybe you could pry the 212's away from him if the price was right?

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Well, if you drive up to RMK's make sure you drive a truck and bring a checkbook because you will want to take those OS home.

Who knows, maybe you could pry the 212's away from him if the price was right?

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Once again, I'd like to thank RMK! ie. Rob for opening his home to allow me to audition his Noesis 212's. The 10 hour drive each way was well worth it taking into consideration meeting three wonderful hosts and of course tri-tip steak lunch. smile.gif

My thoughts and topics of conversation with my wife on our 10 hour journey home after our visit at RMK's :

1) Horn Subs are on another planet.....................two Orbital Shifters are a must hear/feel. The output is a given, but how articulate the pair were was shocking. Currently trying to figure a way to add another 20 amp circuit to my front wall which has already been sealed and sound proofed.

2) I hope I didn't make a mistake ordering the vpl-hw Sony 1000............my wife was impressed with the vpl-hw50 and stated, "How can you get a better picture than that." I'm keeping my fingers crossed she doesn't kick me for purchasing the Sony 1000 when she finally sees the 1000 in action.

3) The main reason for my visit to RMK's theater was to audition the Noesis 212's. Here are my thoughts:

I've spent the greater part of almost 2.5 years trying to find the "best" speaker for my soon to be completed theater. In that quest, I've failed miserably. I've found many speakers from varying manufacturers which I absolutely loved yet those speakers could not deliver all the goods. For example, I love the sound of ribbon designed speakers for low to moderate level listening, but for high dynamics.......the proverbial fail! I've also had the chance to listen to a few speaker designs with huge dynamics but sounded harsh at levels. I'm still looking for speakers that can do both................but have come to the conclusion they don't exist.

Are the Noesis 212's one of my favorite musical speakers? No..............

Are the Noesis 212's one of the best dynamic speakers I've listened to? Yes.......and no.

To explain, I've now had a chance to audition and compare the Noesis 212's to a PHC/Proaudio Technology system I heard more than a year ago and can honestly place the two in the same league. Both are horn loaded and have the same signature sound ie. clarity and dynamics. The only differences are the Proaudio Tech system has integrated DSP amps, are bi-amped, and cost 8-10 times more than a complete JTR Noesis system. Owning a Proaudio Technology system places you in the same company of Saudi Princes and of course, the infamous "Tom Cruise". To be honest.........RMK's system sounded as good or slightly better than a PHC/Proaudio Tech speaker system IMHO.

Well......... that leaves me with a decision on how to compromise...............I can give a little in resolution at low levels, but i just don't want to give up dynamics in my newly constructed dedicated theater. Therefore, I've decided to purchase Noesis 212 speakers and hope for the best. My conclusion has been based on two years of auditioning many different speaker systems which I find the JTR Noesis an all round performer on both music and movies. Not the best for low level music, but acceptable....................for theater, definitely one of the best speakers I've heard and my ear's gladly accepted Rob's challenge of ear bleeding listening levels. Funny thing, not once did my ears cry "uncle" which was a huge shock to me!

Once again Rob THANKS! The visit was well worth it!

There is a lot of interesting data in this post and Cory was very kind with his comments. My regret is that I spent most of the demo showing off the dynamics capabilities of the system (i.e. LOUD!) and failed to notice Cory's wife with her ears covered. Had I played the demos at my "normal" levels then cut loose at the end, it might have been a slightly different review and result. In any case, Cory's testament to the SQ of the OS's more than the sheer output is very telling. In another post he described them as like Velodyne DD-18's on steroids and having owned and loved a pair of DD-18's in the past, I know exactly what he meant.

Pulled my ad this morning and I'm keeping the OS's ... cause there really isn't any good reason to give up the best bass I have ever heard. cool.gif


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Thats funny. Reminds me of this demo:
There is a lot of interesting data in this post and Cory was very kind with his comments. My regret is that I spent most of the demo showing off the dynamics capabilities of the system (i.e. LOUD!) and failed to notice Cory's wife with her ears covered. Had I played the demos at my "normal" levels then cut loose at the end, it might have been a slightly different review and result. In any case, Cory's testament to the SQ of the OS's more than the sheer output is very telling. In another post he described them as like Velodyne DD-18's on steroids and having owned and loved a pair of DD-18's in the past, I know exactly what he meant.

Pulled my ad this morning and I'm keeping the OS's ... cause there really isn't any good reason to give up the best bass I have ever heard. cool.gif

Ahhh...you have come to your senses! tongue.gifbiggrin.gif

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Pulled my ad this morning and I'm keeping the OS's ... cause there really isn't any good reason to give up the best bass I have ever heard. cool.gif
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Thats funny. Reminds me of this demo:
There is a lot of interesting data in this post and Cory was very kind with his comments. My regret is that I spent most of the demo showing off the dynamics capabilities of the system (i.e. LOUD!) and failed to notice Cory's wife with her ears covered. Had I played the demos at my "normal" levels then cut loose at the end, it might have been a slightly different review and result. In any case, Cory's testament to the SQ of the OS's more than the sheer output is very telling. In another post he described them as like Velodyne DD-18's on steroids and having owned and loved a pair of DD-18's in the past, I know exactly what he meant.

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I have that issue too when I do demo's for non avs people. I go too loud and I think I scare them all. It's so hard not to crank it up though....


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I have that issue too when I do demo's for non avs people. I go too loud and I think I scare them all. It's so hard not to crank it up though....

I often give the guest the remote with instructions to go as loud as you're comfortable. And don't worry about damaging the equipment - your ears will give up before the speakers will and be careful because it's far louder than it seems and your ears will be ringing if you're not careful.

With that, I let them have at it and enjoy it at their level. Some crank it crazy, some don't.

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I have that issue too when I do demo's for non avs people. I go too loud and I think I scare them all. It's so hard not to crank it up though....

Yeah well Cory was grinning ear to ear but his wife ... not so much tongue.gif
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I often give the guest the remote with instructions to go as loud as you're comfortable. And don't worry about damaging the equipment - your ears will give up before the speakers will and be careful because it's far louder than it seems and your ears will be ringing if you're not careful.

With that, I let them have at it and enjoy it at their level. Some crank it crazy, some don't.

Good idea, as much as it pains me to relinquish the remote, your suggested method will become SOP for my demos ... cool.gif


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