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Man, I had another Noesis moment tonight. I listened to the entire Metallica S&M album, both discs. It's so funny to me that I bought my speakers to use only for movies and now I find myself just hanging out relax in my theatre room listening to music now eek.gif

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earplugs help when doing silly loud sweeps

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Man, I had another Noesis moment tonight. I listened to the entire Metallica S&M album, both discs. It's so funny to me that I bought my speakers to use only for movies and now I find myself just hanging out relax in my theatre room listening to music now eek.gif

Hey, me too! Just got done listening for a good 1.5-2 hrs. Great stuff! cool.gif

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After finally getting my 4 subs optimized in my room the SQ is off the hook. It not only improved my bass, but also the overall clarity of the 212's. Sick.

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105 dB full sweep. Looks like an f3 of around 8 Hz. Not crazy about that dip at around 800 Hz


I suspect that dip's much more visible than audible Doc. wink.gifsmile.gif
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Man, I had another Noesis moment tonight. I listened to the entire Metallica S&M album, both discs. It's so funny to me that I bought my speakers to use only for movies and now I find myself just hanging out relax in my theatre room listening to music now eek.gif
Try the Blu-Ray "Quebec Magnetic" If you get the chance. Same goes with "The Big Four". Metallica, Slayer, and JTR: the Perfect Storm for Audio Nirvana.smile.gif

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I suspect that dip's much more visible than audible Doc. wink.gifsmile.gif

Yea, I think your right. biggrin.gif The dip at 2 kHz is the Audyssey midrange compensation dip. I'm real happy with where things are, at least until the next sub purchase. I'm shifting focus temporarily to my PJ and screen purchase. Time to just enjoy for a while wink.gif

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Greetings gentlemen. Are there any JTR owners willing to demo in the northern Virginia area? I moved to Chantilly just two months ago and getting the dedicated HT room ready.

I've recently been exposed to the JTR brand and especially intrigued by the movie/music performance many of you are enjoying. After reading all of your positive experiences, I'm considering the 212, 228, Cap 2400, Orbit Shifter, and Cap S2...so if anyone can help me experience any of these, I'd really appreciate it. Otherwise I may have to fly over and visit Jeff cool.gif

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Try the Blu-Ray "Quebec Magnetic" If you get the chance. Same goes with "The Big Four". Metallica, Slayer, and JTR: the Perfect Storm for Audio Nirvana.smile.gif

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I remember the audio on S&M not being that great???????............ but it's been YEARS since I listened to it. Quebec is on my wish list. I have the Big Four but haven't popped it in the main system yet. wink.gif

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Greetings gentlemen. Are there any JTR owners willing to demo in the northern Virginia area? I moved to Chantilly just two months ago and getting the dedicated HT room ready.

I've recently been exposed to the JTR brand and especially intrigued by the movie/music performance many of you are enjoying. After reading all of your positive experiences, I'm considering the 212, 228, Cap 2400, Orbit Shifter, and Cap S2...so if anyone can help me experience any of these, I'd really appreciate it. Otherwise I may have to fly over and visit Jeff cool.gif

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Man, I had another Noesis moment tonight. I listened to the entire Metallica S&M album, both discs. It's so funny to me that I bought my speakers to use only for movies and now I find myself just hanging out relax in my theatre room listening to music now eek.gif

This is my main warning to all the folks that are only slightly leaning towards the 228's over the 212's. They claim they are movie-only type folks and the difference won't be that great. Yea, that is until you hear all your favorite music for the first time again on a JTR or similar system. It makes you want to just listen through the night sometimes. And sometimes I have done it....

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This is my main warning to all the folks that are only slightly leaning towards the 228's over the 212's. They claim they are movie-only type folks and the difference won't be that great. Yea, that is until you hear all your favorite music for the first time again on a JTR or similar system. It makes you want to just listen through the night sometimes. And sometimes I have done it....

With that being said honestly the only way I'll be buying the 212HT's is if some used ones come up for sale. The 228HT's sound pretty awesome and I just couldn't see myself at the time spending $6600 on three speakers when the 228HT's only cost me $3000. I would at the very least have to be a minimum 50/50 movies/music guy to even consider spending double the price of the 228HT's.
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How far you willing to drive?

A few hours of driving won't hurt. I work from home, so I have a flexible schedule throughout the week.

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A few hours of driving won't hurt. I work from home, so I have a flexible schedule throughout the week.

There should be someone within your range. I'm a bit outside that I think in Toms River NJ, maybe 3.5 - 4 hrs. as far as I can tell.

Besides, I don't have a dedicated theater and if that's your plan you probably should listen at one. My room is currently a work in progress with a PJ, seating, and room treatments on deck. But regardless, you're welcome to listen at my place.
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I had an epiphany today as what my dream JTR speaker is. I am deciding between the 212, 210T or 215T and can't make up my mind..then it struck me. What I want is an S2 sub with the 212 compression driver to handle everything above 300HZ. Bigger box, same amp, same 18 drivers...badda bing..badda boom..how hard can it be to build? Wonder if we can talk Jeff into it smile.gif
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With that being said honestly the only way I'll be buying the 212HT's is if some used ones come up for sale. The 228HT's sound pretty awesome and I just couldn't see myself at the time spending $6600 on three speakers when the 228HT's only cost me $3000. I would at the very least have to be a minimum 50/50 movies/music guy to even consider spending double the price of the 228HT's.

I listen to far more music than I watch movies, so the 212's were mandatory for me, but I can understand your position fully.
I'm curious, did you listen to both the 228's and 212's when you made your decision? I admit, once I heard the 212's, that was it - sold on the spot. But I didn't have the opportunity to hear the 228's.

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I had an epiphany today as what my dream JTR speaker is. I am deciding between the 212, 210T or 215T and can't make up my mind..then it struck me. What I want is an S2 sub with the 212 compression driver to handle everything above 300HZ. Bigger box, same amp, same 18 drivers...badda bing..badda boom..how hard can it be to build? Wonder if we can talk Jeff into it smile.gif
A Cap S2 XL = Same width and depth just increase the height to 60" or 72". If your talking CD in the same cabinet the 18" subwoofer in the S2 won't go to 300hz. 2 x 15" woofers should have about

the same output as the 18" above 20hz but go to 300hz fairly easy. The S2 should be a great sub to mix with the 215 so you are half way there.smile.gif I read on the forum Jeff said he had a center channel

in the works for the 215.

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honestly, the 215 design should be close to just that, an s2 with a horn actually even larger than the 212's. So, Martin, looks like you should be in luck smile.gif

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Chris/Brandon, thank you both for your thoughts. Part of this is just me having fun and daydreaming. The real world issue for me is that the 215T is so tall and deep and might not be a good fit just from a sheer size standpoint for how my room is layed out. Logic tells me the 212 is the right solution since it will replace my T12 and the dimensions are identical. The "kid who wants a shiny new toy" in me says the 215 would be fun to try.....but that would likely lead to series of other purchases such as having to potentially get a more powerful amp to drive that bad boy, moving to an AT screen, building a false wall for the AT screen,etc...
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All those purchases sound fine to me! Get r done son!

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All those purchases sound fine to me! Get r done son!

Well, things unfortunately change quickly. Have a personal financial matter that just came up this afternoon and looks like any and all new toys will have to be put on hold. Oh well, it was fun day dreaming. Gotta roll with the punches..today was not a good day.
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oh man! Hope all is ok!!!!

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Greetings gentlemen. Are there any JTR owners willing to demo in the northern Virginia area? I moved to Chantilly just two months ago and getting the dedicated HT room ready.

I've recently been exposed to the JTR brand and especially intrigued by the movie/music performance many of you are enjoying. After reading all of your positive experiences, I'm considering the 212, 228, Cap 2400, Orbit Shifter, and Cap S2...so if anyone can help me experience any of these, I'd really appreciate it. Otherwise I may have to fly over and visit Jeff cool.gif

I'm not TOO far from you in Rockville, MD. I don't have the mains you are looking for, but I have dual caps. I'm running T12's for my mains the T8's for my 2 rears.

I don't come here very often anymore simply because I'm just enjoying my speakers and haven't had to come ask for help/suggestions or anything.

Feel free to send me a PM and we'll see if we can work something out where you can come check them out.
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Greetings gentlemen. Are there any JTR owners willing to demo in the northern Virginia area? I moved to Chantilly just two months ago and getting the dedicated HT room ready.

I've recently been exposed to the JTR brand and especially intrigued by the movie/music performance many of you are enjoying. After reading all of your positive experiences, I'm considering the 212, 228, Cap 2400, Orbit Shifter, and Cap S2...so if anyone can help me experience any of these, I'd really appreciate it. Otherwise I may have to fly over and visit Jeff cool.gif

I live in Chantilly (south riding). Don't have JTR yet, but you should still come over for a jam out session!

 

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I listen to far more music than I watch movies, so the 212's were mandatory for me, but I can understand your position fully.
I'm curious, did you listen to both the 228's and 212's when you made your decision? I admit, once I heard the 212's, that was it - sold on the spot. But I didn't have the opportunity to hear the 228's.

No I didn't have a chance to hear any 212HT's , I actually had to buy my 228HT's without ever hearing any JTR speakers. I believe I'm probably the only person within a few hundred miles of myself that even has any of the current Noesis speakers.

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Thanks I need all the luck I can get! I am sure it is much easier, just every time I start down one of these paths it always involves more time than expected and undoubtedly some frustration and usually more $$$rolleyes.gif

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REW and and mic is all you need. No extra money, just time to learn

I am sure you don't need to spend any extra $$$ if you are extremely patient, but I am not always ready to be so patient wink.gif. I spent all day yesterday and half the night with 2 different computers struggling to finally get REW & my usb umik-1 with hdmi set up. Many issues with hdmi and Asio4all which is difficult to trouble shoot and is unfortunately needed for hdmi with REW. IMHO I think the extra money spent on some truly plug and play devices (Omnimic or XTZ) would have been the way to go - just my .01 eek.gif I finally did my first measurement a little while ago and I have no idea what most of it means yet so here I go down the rabbit hole even further:cool:

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just put your levels manually after audyssey is done. attenuators dont do anything other than speaker levels. Do a pro calibration amd overlay the maxed out eq vs the eq with attenuators.... they will be identical. I give customers printouts all the time and run into max out trims quite a bit. Ive yet to see much, if any difference in the overall eq with attenuators inplace, just trim levels and no 0 as reference. save 60$ and dont bother. I have q set of -15 xlr if anyone want them to try out for themselves.

But if I just manually set the trims after I have run Audyssey and still have a -12 settings from running Audyssey then my speaker is still not eq'd right?

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105 dB full sweep. Looks like an f3 of around 8 Hz. Not crazy about that dip at around 800 Hz


115 dB subs only. You can see where my CHT 18.1's (HPF=45 Hz) are a little hot compared to the JTR S2's


Hard to do full sweeps above 105 dB. Just too loud. Even above 115 with the subs only is getting nuts. I'll never know how you guys can tolerate 130-140 dB eek.gif

Overall, not bad. I need a couple more S2's to replace the CHT's, but things are ok for now. I have other audio/video fish to fry right now (PJ/screen, etc.)

Things are okay for now? Man you got a pretty killer system!!!! Hehe!

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This is my main warning to all the folks that are only slightly leaning towards the 228's over the 212's. They claim they are movie-only type folks and the difference won't be that great. Yea, that is until you hear all your favorite music for the first time again on a JTR or similar system. It makes you want to just listen through the night sometimes. And sometimes I have done it....

I surely cannot wait to get my Triple 8's back same components as all the other speakers besides the 212 of course just without a horn. Will surely be doing some music running test!!!
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Sending them off to Jeff today he's going to install the driver and crossover upgrade kits and tidy things up test them out make them like new!
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But if I just manually set the trims after I have run Audyssey and still have a -12 settings from running Audyssey then my speaker is still not eq'd right?

Your EQ stays regardless what levels you set your channels at afterwards and long as you keep audyssey on.

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Ok, so those of you that know me know that I like to run my bass hot. However, I think the only thing I like more than that is constantly tinkering with my frequency response using my minidsp. So, for the first time ever....

I am flat - yes, actually flat. Well, damn close anyway. Here is what I came up with after tweaking for awhile.








What's interesting is that I had to change the eq settings after turning down the sub volume. Even with tweaking the eq I couldn't get as smooth of a response between 100 and 200 hz like I can when my subs are hot. Not sure why that is..


This next graph shows how I normally listen, anywhere between the red and blue lines depending on my mood for how hot I want the bass.








So, I'm listening to music (friend of my wife gave it to me) that I know will sound good without having to turn up the bass. It does sound really great I have to admit... however I'm positive that when I go back to my normal music the bass is going to sound anemic.

Oh well, at least I have a setting on the minidsp I can go to on that rare occasion that I play something were the bass sounds good flat.


Here is what I'm listening to:






I want to start a thread at some point asking people to post their house curves that they like to use for music (movies too for that matter) so I can experiment with what other people like and maybe I'll find some freq. responses that I like better than what I use.



Question for you guys: does anyone know why my response isn't as smooth when I turn the subs down and I had to tweak the eq quite a bit when going from the blue line to the black line?
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Your EQ stays regardless what levels you set your channels at afterwards and long as you keep audyssey on.

Yes I understand that but what if your initial Audyssey calibration sets at -12?
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