Originally Posted by Gooddoc
Had a forum member over yesterday to listen to the system and had a good time. Found the limits of my signal chain though and experienced some clipping. I have the gains turned down so far on the LG that at fairly ridiculous SPL's I get clipping somewhere. Not sure if amp or AVR, but I suspect the latter. I ran into it when I first cranked the gains down to get rid of a hiss from my Denon, but by turning the amp gains up 5 or 6 dB it solved it for my typical listening volumes, so I haven't worried about it. The volumes were a bit spirited during this session though and I found the new limits
I'm not going to do anything about it though since the answer to the problem is a new preamp and I don't want to raise my noise floor anymore and ruin my late night listening sessions with that hiss. Kind of bums me out that I have to gimp my system due to the Denon, but I guess it will motivate me to just get the preamp sooner rather than later. To be honest, I had thought I had more headroom than that, even with the LG cranked down like that. I hate limits. But for now I'll just deal with it with the thought that the volumes we were hitting to reach the clip point couldn't really be considered healthy for the ears anyway...
That would be me
. And, by your request, I will post my impressions.
First, I would like to say thanks a ton for having me; it was a ton of fun -- like being at our own personal concert for a few hours. And the beer was cheaper, haha!
As for the JTR's -- well, I will say the general "they are loud and dynamic" commentary is certainly more than well deserved. These things cranked and never once sounded out of sorts. That said, in comparison to the Triad Platinums I recently had a chance to listen to (thanks CraigJohn if you're reading) I'd have to say that the Triad's had a "smoother" sound, if that makes any sense. Problem is, as Gooddoc and I were discussing at his place, it's really hard to tell how much of that is the room and how much the speaker. Craig's room is very well treated, Gooddoc's room is more lively, much like my own. The beauty of this is that were I to put the JTR's into my room, they would likely sound more similar to how I heard them than what I heard of the Triads. Which is to say, if I dropped the Triad's in my room, I could certainly not expect to hear anywhere near what I heard in Craig's. Without a doubt, though, the Traid's have nothing on the JTR's in terms of shear output capacity. Of course, I say this and most people on here probably say, "no *****, tell us something we don't already know."
I'll quickly compare the two rooms, because, like I said, the rooms are so different that I have a hard time differentiating room from speakers. Before I do though, I will say I loved both demos and for different reasons. I can only hope to achieve what either of these two very awesome guys have done! If I get anywhere close, I'd be a ton happier than where I am now.
Gooddoc's room sounded very good, and for rocking out it was absolutely incredible! I demo'd my favorite Breaking Benjamin track (Away) and easily found Gooddoc's "clip point" because the clarity was so crazy. Afterwards, we both had to take a quick break to let our ears cool off, lol. This song on the Triad's had quite a different character -- on them, all the content was there, and it was very exceptionally clear, but I wanted so much more output and neither Craig nor I was sure the speakers (or Craig's amp) had it in them to deliver it. I'll also mention that Gooddoc's bass response was so taught; he integrated his subs splendidly with the JTR's! Though I think my preference would have been to kick the house curve up a notch (or six, lol), especially with as much power he has on tap! But, I know I'm of the rare "ULF-tard" variety, lol.
That said, what Craig's room lacked in shear output, it made up for in the intimate moments. For example, Damien Rice's "Volcano" just sucked me right into the recording. At Gooddoc's, the track had all the pieces, but almost felt...clinical. Though, it's so hard to say how much of that intimacy was created because of the Traids and how much was because Craig's room is so exceptionally well treated. He has both a fantastic dedicated room and exceptional speakers. Poor Gooddoc and I have to do the best we can with our non-dedicated rooms, and I must say, Gooddoc has done superbly!
So...I guess I'm still up in the air -- on standby, I suppose. Fortunately, Gooddoc says treatments are coming. He may even invite me to help him and we can observe the transition together. Maybe afterwards I'll be even more smitten with the JTR's. Right now, though, if I'm being honest, money no object and someone twisting my arm, I'd probably chose the Triad's in a treated room and save my hearing. However, that could certainly all change in a heartbeat if the JTR's in a treated room come just a bit closer to the intimacy of the Triad+treated room combo. My guess is, there's a really good chance they will, as both speakers are very well engineered for accurate response. I hope the JTR's+treated room combo provides the best of both worlds -- intimate when desired and concert when required.