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post #13771 of 30274 Old 12-24-2013, 12:27 PM
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I bet he'll give you the 2013 prices since he knows you were wanting to buy before the increase. Still, sucks that you have to wait to order.

From what everybody is telling me about how much of a nice guy he is, I wouldn't put it passed him then. Yea the wait sucks, but it is what it is.
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The consensus is he is buried working OT right now. Send a email stating exactly what you want and call it an official order. That all he needs to do is call and run your card. I am sure he will honor that as before the price increase. At least worth a try

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From what everybody is telling me about how much of a nice guy he is, I wouldn't put it passed him then. Yea the wait sucks, but it is what it is.

Does it matter if you placed the order today or after the 1st? Putting in your order sooner won't get your speakers any sooner since he won't be working anyway.

I'm sure he'll take care of you. Happy Holidays.

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The consensus is he is buried working OT right now. Send a email stating exactly what you want and call it an official order. That all he needs to do is call and run your card. I am sure he will honor that as before the price increase. At least worth a try


Pretty much did that. Just waiting to give him money.
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Does it matter if you placed the order today or after the 1st? Putting in your order sooner won't get your speakers any sooner since he won't be working anyway.

I'm sure he'll take care of you. Happy Holidays.

Very true. I did not know he was going out of town though.

I do not want to make this a big deal, just wanted to know if anybody else has been able to reach him.
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Have been trying to place an order for last 2 weeks but need to know how to pay. Last email was a week ago but he didn't give me enough info to make payment. Would think Jeff could read his email once in a while. He said I could use PayPal but not sure which of his emails he uses for that.

So is the quantity discount no longer in effect? 5% for 4-7 speakers. His last quote had no discount but maybe since I want veneered it no longer applies.

Worried I will get hit with increase as he did say it definitely goes into effect January 1st.
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I'm doing a lot of thinking now.. If these new FR speakers is more then what I need. I'm still thinking of 212's. But for center channel I was thinking 228 and 4 slanted 8 for surrounds.. And of course the 212 for LR. Would this be a good combo? Or it's better to keep the LCR the same..
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I'm doing a lot of thinking now.. If these new FR speakers is more then what I need. I'm still thinking of 212's. But for center channel I was thinking 228 and 4 slanted 8 for surrounds.. And of course the 212 for LR. Would this be a good combo? Or it's better to keep the LCR the same..

I asked Jeff the same question and he said to do 212's across the front for the LCR. He said there was enough difference in the compression drivers to notice a difference as sound pans across the front. Maybe the KC crew has experience with mixing them.
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We do, the test tones sound different between the 228ht and 212ht, but in actual movie use I couldn't tell the difference during carp and my couple of sessions. Never the less, especially if money is not a huge obstacle, a matching speaker LCR should be most ideal.

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Has anyone here had a Seaton SubMersive and a JTR S2 together ? I am toying with the idea of adding an S2
before Jeffs' price increase. Both sealed subs, should work well together right??

Also, does anyone know how much the increase is?

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We do, the test tones sound different between the 228ht and 212ht, but in actual movie use I couldn't tell the difference during carp and my couple of sessions. Never the less, especially if money is not a huge obstacle, a matching speaker LCR should be most ideal.

Ok .. thanks Archaea.. what about the 212 sealed. Is there a difference between the ported 212?
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Has anyone here had a Seaton SubMersive and a JTR S2 together ? I am toying with the idea of adding an S2
before Jeffs' price increase. Both sealed subs, should work well together right??

Also, does anyone know how much the increase is?
Gorilla has. The seating prices are going up 100 dollars on most, so I would assume something close to that.
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So, any unofficial guesses as to the prices of the new JTR speakers?
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Can't comment on 212 sealed myself because I haven't heard them. If I was ordering 212ht, I'd go ported. If you cross them above port tune it makes no difference, and ported gives you the option of digging deeper, so if space isn't of concern, go ported - imo.

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Can't comment on 212 sealed myself because I haven't heard them. If I was ordering 212ht, I'd go ported. If you cross them above port tune it makes no difference, and ported gives you the option of digging deeper, so if space isn't of concern, go ported - imo.


Archaea.. One more question. Since these the 212HT is very capable below 80 hz. Do these speakers best set at large? Or small but with a Xover at 50.. thanks
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Jeff said he was still figuring out pricing but it will be in effect January 1st.
Seaton prices are going up $200 - $300 as per his website.
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Can't comment on 212 sealed myself because I haven't heard them. If I was ordering 212ht, I'd go ported. If you cross them above port tune it makes no difference, and ported gives you the option of digging deeper, so if space isn't of concern, go ported - imo.

I went sealed 212 for a few reasons:
  • Smaller enclosure...especially for the center makes it a little easier to fit.
  • Sealed is less susceptible to boundary issues...meaning you can put a sealed enclosure closer to the wall with less frequency response issues.
  • This one is mine - I'm veneering the speakers myself and sealed is just slightly easier than having to deal with the ports.

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Dgage,
These are front ported, to my knowledge, proximity to wall shouldn't make any negative difference in FR over a sealed design. The rest of your points are solid for your use case.

Rhed,
I think most typically people say set mains to small and choose the crossover above the port tune or -3 dB point. In this case 60 Hz for ported would likely be the lowest you would use for ported.

Try it both ways and adjust for taste.

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I've been contemplating my JTR purchase for about four months now and have finally sent Jeff an order submission email. I will call Thursday and attempt to provide him with payment info, but I'll at least leave him a voicemail letting him know I am ready to finalize as soon as he has the time.

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Hopefully everything works out before the Jan 1st increase and I look forward to finally having a JTR setup in the next few months!

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These are front ported, to my knowledge, proximity to wall shouldn't make any negative difference in FR over a sealed design. The rest of your points are solid for your use case.

When I was trying to choose between ported and sealed, I was initially thinking about the 212 ported but others commented that the ported would have more boundary issues than sealed. Since I'm putting my LR speakers up front near the corners, I thought sealed would have less interaction. So even though you say front ports shouldn't have issues, others in the past have said the sealed would have less room boundary interactions. Even if it is minimal, ported will still have more boundary interactions than sealed. How much more???

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I've been contemplating my JTR purchase for about four months now and have finally sent Jeff an order submission email. I will call Thursday and attempt to provide him with payment info, but I'll at least leave him a voicemail letting him know I am ready to finalize as soon as he has the time.

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Hopefully everything works out before the Jan 1st increase and I look forward to finally having a JTR setup in the next few months!

Awesome emr25! That will be a fantastic system!

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I've been contemplating my JTR purchase for about four months now and have finally sent Jeff an order submission email. I will call Thursday and attempt to provide him with payment info, but I'll at least leave him a voicemail letting him know I am ready to finalize as soon as he has the time.

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Hopefully everything works out before the Jan 1st increase and I look forward to finally having a JTR setup in the next few months!

I'm sure that if Jeff is away for the holidays and unable to except orders, I'm sure he will be more then willing to accommodate anyone trying to place orders before the price increase. I'm sure if you left a voicemail saying your name and date you called he'd be willing to sell at the current pre-price increase prices.
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So, any unofficial guesses as to the prices of the new JTR speakers?

5-10% as per his facebook page.
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Archaea.. One more question. Since these the 212HT is very capable below 80 hz. Do these speakers best set at large? Or small but with a Xover at 50.. thanks

Small, always. My ported 212's are crossed over at 60 Hz as the optimum crossover with Audyssey Pro. I couldn't say what kind of issues I have compared to sealed since I would have to put both in my room to measure, but as far as I can tell I don't have any more problems than I did with sealed speakers.

I wanted the additional extension to give a wider range of crossovers and a bit more midbass output than the sealed. 60 Hz f3 is the ideal extension for a satellite speaker IMO, so the ported fit my needs perfectly. So in my case I bought primarily based on extension and sub integration, not based on SQ differences, which I think are probably miniscule.

As with anything, you need to figure out what you expect from the speaker, then buy the version that fits.
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Gooddoc..Archaea.. Thanks for the reply. Learn something everyday. Just have one more question that's been on my mind for awhile. I think I ask this question before but I don't remember if I got a reply. I have a old AVR. And was wondering if it is enough to drive the speakers. I don't think I'll be able to buy a external amp for awhile after speaker purchase. So I'll have to use my old and current AVR for now. It does drive the quad S2's fine. But the subs does have its own amp. My AVR is a Pioneer Elite SC-09TX. And when I do get a external amp, will this AVR drive a pro amp? Thanks guys.. Merry Christmas and Mele Kaliki Maka from the Hilton Waikaloa, Hawaii...
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We do, the test tones sound different between the 228ht and 212ht, but in actual movie use I couldn't tell the difference during carp and my couple of sessions. Never the less, especially if money is not a huge obstacle, a matching speaker LCR should be most ideal.

Test tones between LR and C will always sound different when not looking straight towards the used channel.
This has to do with angle of hearing.

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I like the fact 2 cap 2400 would save $900 over 2 OS...but have to determine if the difference is worth it.

One question though...I saw one of your posts from a few months ago where you said you only had a single OS while the other wasn't working and you didn't hear a difference. Do you still feel this way? This is where it gets a bit confusing. I completely agree about having subs in pairs/quads, but at the same time how much of a "subtle" difference is a 2nd sub really making?

BTW, which of the JTR subs perform best for music?
I have a single os and it sounds amazing at my LP and also sounds equally well to the left and right seating from my LP (3 seat couch). Outside of this bubble, for instance 5 feet to the left, and the bass is now anemic. This is what multi subs in multiple locations fixes.
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Hmm does the price hike for JTR and seaton have something to do with speakerpower raising their price at the start of the new year?
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Hmm does the price hike for JTR and seaton have something to do with speakerpower raising their price at the start of the new year?

For Jeff, could it be that because he has other workers now?
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