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Ok.. Did another run today.. Used 1/6 smoothing. Oh, I didn't raise the noise floor I forgot. And 5-20k run.
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What subs? Dual s2's?
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Here's another with a little aggressive house curve. Not too bad.. Might run this with Elysium today. biggrin.gif

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What subs? Dual s2's?

Quad S2's..:wink.gif
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Did another demo yesterday for an AVS member. What is it with this hobby? Everyone I've had over for a demo has been very cool and this was no exception - very nice guy. I knew I liked him when he reacted by seeing my albums on the wall and stating that Master of Puppets is his favorite album. smile.gif

Anyway, he is interested in upgrading from dual SVS 20-39's to dual SI 18's with flat packs so he wanted to hear my subs. However it seemed to me like (I could be wrong about this) that he was even more impressed with the Noesis. While listening to music he said he has heard Wilson's (I can't remember which model) and they didn't sound as good or have the clarity of the Noesis.

We did go nuts with the subs on a few scenes and it has me questioning why I want more headroom. I used an even steeper house curve than I normally use and I think I'm at the limits of my room as is. My back wall is flexing so much I'm surprised it hasn't cracked. If I ever do add more subs it would be to experiment with nearfield placement.

I recently bought these http://www.parts-express.com/buttkicker-ri-4-pak-medium-kinetic-furniture-isolators-set-of-5--300-9462 to put under my front row love seat. So far I cant tell much of a difference but I want to try the under 15 hz stuff using a LPF on the minidsp and see if I can feel anything. Last time I tried that all I got was bad noises from the house but I didn't feel anything (I also need to try the same on the second row riser).

Sorry for taking so long to reply...just got back to MN. Thank you again for taking the time right before Christmas Eve to have me over.

I was more impressed with the Noesis; not to say the 8 SI 18's weren't impressive biggrin.gif . I have listened to the Wilson Watt Puppy with Watchdog sub, many, many years ago. And while it's impossibly to fully recall audio from that far back, I can remember how impressed I was with them. That being said, the 212 just blew me away. Which is exactly what I told my wife. I loved the movie demos, but man those things sound so clean with music.

The movie demos have made me question going with just 2 sealed 18s in my basement....I honestly don't think it will be enough. I'll start with 2, but I know I'm going to want more.

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Ok.. Did another run today.. Used 1/6 smoothing. Oh, I didn't raise the noise floor I forgot. And 5-20k run.
RED: Antimode Dual Core 2.0 EQ bypassed
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BLUE: Antimode Dual Core 2.0 House curve created


Not too bad at all!

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reading all your guys posts just makes it that much harder for me to wait till march to get my JTRs........

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reading all your guys posts just makes it that much harder for me to wait till march to get my JTRs........


I cant believe I have only posted 58 times since 2007 when I joined. The rest of you in the thousands. lol I been secretly lurking I guess

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Well, placed my order with Jeff this morning. 212 L/R and 212 LP for center channel. Was considering the 210 but Jeff mentioned the only real difference of the 210 over the 212 was lower extention. I have two JTR subs, so I would be crossing over at 80 anyways. Now I just have to wait 5 weeks smile.gif

BTW, just noticed this was 1500 post. WOO HOO smile.gif


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Sorry for taking so long to reply...just got back to MN. Thank you again for taking the time right before Christmas Eve to have me over.

I was more impressed with the Noesis; not to say the 8 SI 18's weren't impressive biggrin.gif . I have listened to the Wilson Watt Puppy with Watchdog sub, many, many years ago. And while it's impossibly to fully recall audio from that far back, I can remember how impressed I was with them. That being said, the 212 just blew me away. Which is exactly what I told my wife. I loved the movie demos, but man those things sound so clean with music.

The movie demos have made me question going with just 2 sealed 18s in my basement....I honestly don't think it will be enough. I'll start with 2, but I know I'm going to want more.

Hope you and your family had a Merry Christmas. Have a safe New Year!


You too man, next time you are in town you'll have to try to see some of the other KC guys rooms. smile.gif


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Well, placed my order with Jeff this morning. 212 L/R and 212 LP for center channel. Was considering the 210 but Jeff mentioned the only real difference of the 210 over the 212 was lower extention. I have two JTR subs, so I would be crossing over at 80 anyways. Now I just have to wait 5 weeks smile.gif

BTW, just noticed this was 1500 post. WOO HOO smile.gif

Well played sir!

They are no regret speakers and with your subs, WOW is about all that needs to be said. cool.gif


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Well, placed my order with Jeff this morning. 212 L/R and 212 LP for center channel. Was considering the 210 but Jeff mentioned the only real difference of the 210 over the 212 was lower extention. I have two JTR subs, so I would be crossing over at 80 anyways. Now I just have to wait 5 weeks smile.gif

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You will love them!!! smile.gif


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I know an AVR would push a pair of 212 past reference, but what benefits would there be to adding amps like three Emotiva XPR-1 for LCR duties? Those that are amp'ing their JTRs, any noticeable/significant difference?

Also, the 212HT-LP goes from 60hz and the regular 212HT starts from 70hz...Will either version make a difference since it would be crossed at 70 or 80hz? Any need to crossover below 70?

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Well, placed my order with Jeff this morning. 212 L/R and 212 LP for center channel. Was considering the 210 but Jeff mentioned the only real difference of the 210 over the 212 was lower extention. I have two JTR subs, so I would be crossing over at 80 anyways. Now I just have to wait 5 weeks smile.gif

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5 weeks may turn into double that.....biggrin.gif

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Also, the 212HT-LP goes from 60hz and the regular 212HT starts from 70hz...Will either version make a difference since it would be crossed at 70 or 80hz? Any need to crossover below 70?

I think it's the other way around, regular 212HT goes to 60Hz.
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5 weeks may turn into double that.....biggrin.gif

He even said "might be ready late January" and I was thinking yeah right smile.gif As long as they are here by March, I should be fine (I told the buyer of my current speakers March).


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I think it's the other way around, regular 212HT goes to 60Hz.

My bad...you're right. Was switching screens quickly. Would it be better to have the option to go to 60Hz?

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My bad...you're right. Was switching screens quickly. Would it be better to have the option to go to 60Hz?

If you're going to cross it over to the sub at 80Hz I don't think it makes much difference.
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My bad...you're right. Was switching screens quickly. Would it be better to have the option to go to 60Hz?

Beast would say yes but general consensus if you are going to cross at 80hz you will be fine.

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Beast would say yes but general consensus if you are going to cross at 80hz you will be fine.

Is there any particular reason to crossover at anything lower than 80Hz?

My understanding was:
0 - 80Hz: Lower-bass / subbass range
80 - 150Hz: Mid-bass
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Is there any particular reason to crossover at anything lower than 80Hz?

My understanding was:
0 - 80Hz: Lower-bass / subbass range
80 - 150Hz: Mid-bass
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FWIW, in measuring my T12lp vs my 212Ht's in my room the ht's start to pull away from the lp's at 125hz and below. Not saying it is needed for any particular setup, just my observation with REW in my room. I have the speakers about 3 ft from side walls and in a heavily treated false front wall.
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Is there any particular reason to crossover at anything lower than 80Hz?

My understanding was:
0 - 80Hz: Lower-bass / subbass range
80 - 150Hz: Mid-bass
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There are much more qualified around here but so far I have learned...
80hz became a standard when THX decided that was what they would cross at. Some people do cross at 60 hz but that is all system and room dependent. Bsoko2 crosses at 60hz but he also has 27 JTR 8" mid range drivers in HT style boxes. 80hz is the by far accepted standard. I currently have a couple old JBL towers crossed at 100hz to two Submersives. Now the JBLs are set to full by Audyssey but I do that for a smoother FR. In March when my 212 LP's come home I may deal with a slight dip to give the Noesis everything smile.gif
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Now THAT is a nice house curve! Some say you are so far from "reference" with a curve like that, that you will not hear the soundtrack as it was intended. I say to heck with all of it, as that type of curve is exactly what I prefer.

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Beast would say yes but general consensus if you are going to cross at 80hz you will be fine.

My main argument here is only that you want the speakers to be crossed at least one octave above where their f3 begins. The reason being the combined rolloff of the speaker and the HPF you are applying might make the speakers not blend together as flawlessly as they would otherwise. With the 212 being good to 60hz, 80hz crossover should be just fine, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend 60hz to anyone.

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Well, placed my order with Jeff this morning. 212 L/R and 212 LP for center channel. Was considering the 210 but Jeff mentioned the only real difference of the 210 over the 212 was lower extention. I have two JTR subs, so I would be crossing over at 80 anyways. Now I just have to wait 5 weeks smile.gif

BTW, just noticed this was 1500 post. WOO HOO smile.gif

Congrats! You should be very happy with this purchase. I have been enjoying my 212's more and more....
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Well, placed my order with Jeff this morning. 212 L/R and 212 LP for center channel. Was considering the 210 but Jeff mentioned the only real difference of the 210 over the 212 was lower extention. I have two JTR subs, so I would be crossing over at 80 anyways. Now I just have to wait 5 weeks smile.gif

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Congrats Frohlich....sounds like lots of people are spending all those JTR gift cards they got from Santa!


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Yup, add me to the sneaking in under the wire club. I emailed Jeff yesterday so hopefully he gets it or I'll call tomorrow. Going to upgrade my T12's to Noesis 212's and adding a second orbit shifter. Can't wait!

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Now THAT is a nice house curve! Some say you are so far from "reference" with a curve like that, that you will not hear the soundtrack as it was intended. I say to heck with all of it, as that type of curve is exactly what I prefer.
My main argument here is only that you want the speakers to be crossed at least one octave above where their f3 begins. The reason being the combined rolloff of the speaker and the HPF you are applying might make the speakers not blend together as flawlessly as they would otherwise. With the 212 being good to 60hz, 80hz crossover should be just fine, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend 60hz to anyone.

Yea we must have hot bass! So the LP Noesis. Would you recommend higher than 80hz crossover?

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