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That is determined by the processor but in general, yes. I don't know the exact method of signal mixing and DSP I will be using but I have a pretty knowledgable guy assisting with this wink.gif. I may be adding some watts if the W4S amp isn't up to the task of driving those 15's.

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Rob, looks like the LG could be back on your short list? You can't get away from it, stop tyring!! Of course I could be projecting;)

I just let a very well priced one slip through my fingers by making a stupid low ball offer instead of just nutting up and paying the buy it now price. redface.gif

The W4S's 1000wpc might be enough and I have posed that question to JP but no response. He must be busy ... tongue.gifwink.gif

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I just let a very well priced one slip through my fingers by making a stupid low ball offer instead of just nutting up and paying the buy it now price. redface.gif

The W4S's 1000wpc might be enough and I have posed that question to JP but no response. He must be busy ... tongue.gifwink.gif

I also am hoping my D-sonic will be enough but I've got a RMX5050 for backup in case it's not..... Bring on the 215's!

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I also am hoping my D-sonic will be enough but I've got a RMX5050 for backup in case it's not..... Bring on the 215's!
there is no doubt the 215's will do well with the d sonic or the w4s since the sensitivity is still really high. The only real question is how far do you want to push it. How powerful is the RMX? Class D?

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there is no doubt the 215's will do well with the d sonic or the w4s since the sensitivity is still really high. The only real question is how far do you want to push it. How powerful is the RMX? Class D?

Its a huge class A/B, around 1800 watts per channel. One thing I do know is that when you have subs that reach 20hz, you need power, I guess it will be seen if 1000 watts is enough, since I'm betting the requirements to get full output will be in the 2000 range, like the current Noesis.

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Any word on center channel for the 210 and 215? If not I'm thinking of just 212 LCR upgrades and 2 more S2's and do the surrounds later. For me I just don't feel upgrading my surrounds yet if it's just for surround duty. Btw, will it be hard to mix horn subs with sealed? Is it a bad idea? I'm thinking of spreading my subs around my HT room. 2 upfront, 1 on each side of the wall mid way ( L/R walls ). And two at rear.
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Any word on center channel for the 210 and 215?

I would think either run an LCR setup of all 210T's or 215T's or use any of the Noesis line of speakers as a centre.
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For someone in a hurry to get his JTRs: I put my order in a month ago for 2 Cap S2's, 3 Noesis 212 HT's, and 4 Slated 8HT's. But, due to the theater being in my home under construction, I won't need any of them until April. I'm towing a car behind a U-Haul truck headed for Wisconsin this weekend and if I can get a call in to Jeff in advance I might reroute a bit and drop into Oconomowoc on Monday for a chat. Perhaps he would delay my order and put someone in my place in line. smile.gif

I would love to get my 212s sooner. Just finished the theater room and it's missing 3 speakers smile.gif

I will be happy to swap with you if Jeff doesn't mind.
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Any word on center channel for the 210 and 215? If not I'm thinking of just 212 LCR upgrades and 2 more S2's and do the surrounds later. For me I just don't feel upgrading my surrounds yet if it's just for surround duty. Btw, will it be hard to mix horn subs with sealed? Is it a bad idea? I'm thinking of spreading my subs around my HT room. 2 upfront, 1 on each side of the wall mid way ( L/R walls ). And two at rear.
in my experience they can be mixed with what I will call fairly good results but only if you can independently control each sub for time delay, PEQ, and crossover type and have a lot of time to try different permutations all while taking measurements with something like REW or similar. Much easier to stick with identical subs. In fact I am seriously considering getting rid of my Epik and velodyne sealed subs and just adding a third OS to simplify and improve the set up.

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Any word on center channel for the 210 and 215? If not I'm thinking of just 212 LCR upgrades and 2 more S2's and do the surrounds later. For me I just don't feel upgrading my surrounds yet if it's just for surround duty. Btw, will it be hard to mix horn subs with sealed? Is it a bad idea? I'm thinking of spreading my subs around my HT room. 2 upfront, 1 on each side of the wall mid way ( L/R walls ). And two at rear.

Six S2's? ... hummm

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Any word on center channel for the 210 and 215? If not I'm thinking of just 212 LCR upgrades and 2 more S2's and do the surrounds later. For me I just don't feel upgrading my surrounds yet if it's just for surround duty. Btw, will it be hard to mix horn subs with sealed? Is it a bad idea? I'm thinking of spreading my subs around my HT room. 2 upfront, 1 on each side of the wall mid way ( L/R walls ). And two at rear.
Do you have any pics of your room/setup?

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Why may I ask do you guys figure you need six S2 subs or three orbit shifter subs?

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in my experience they can be mixed with what I will call fairly good results but only if you can independently control each sub for time delay, PEQ, and crossover type and have a lot of time to try different permutations all while taking measurements with something like REW or similar. Much easier to stick with identical subs. In fact I am seriously considering getting rid of my Epik and velodyne sealed subs and just adding a third OS to simplify and improve the set up.

I got this answer from LTD02 in response to me asking that once...about mixing sealed and ported.

"sometimes you can run into a problem with sealed and ported where around the tuning frequency the phase will wrap a little more on the ported and you can end up 180° out of phase with the sealed. it's more of just something to be aware of. Phase gets pretty confusing once reflections and modal resonances are figured into the mix."

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Why may I ask do you guys figure you need six S2 subs or three orbit shifter subs?

Archaea.. Couple reasons.. I need a stand to put the L/R 212. Hmm, greedy?biggrin.gif J/k..smile.gif
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popalock - four S2 are basically similar to 16 SI 18"s right? You've wrecked your house with your 16 SI. Detached the stairwell from the wall from what I understand. Two orbit shifters in my room did damage to my house including breaking the floor grout in the kitchen, taking out AV components etc.

I recall it said by Jeff Permanian himself that he'd like to put four orbit shifters in an old abandoned house and run them at full tilt and film the destruction.

You guys are very nearly there!

cool!

But I'm just throwing it out there ---- it's not an old abandoned house you are going to wreck! tongue.gif

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popalock - four S2 are basically similar to 16 SI 18"s right? You've wrecked your house with your 16 SI. Detached the stairwell from the wall from what I understand. Two orbit shifters in my room did damage to my house including breaking the floor grout in the kitchen, taking out AV components etc.

I recall it said by Jeff Permanian himself that he'd like to put four orbit shifters in an old abandoned house and run them at full tilt and film the destruction.

You guys are very nearly there!

cool!

But I'm just throwing it out there ---- it's not an old abandoned house you are going to wreck! tongue.gif

Na, I've got more than that and my place is still standing!

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not much pictures. Just these..






My last measurement with a house curve.. Sorry that's all I've got.

Am I missing something here? Do you really not have a projector screen?

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Am I missing something here? Do you really not have a projector screen?

For what? I'm fine with my Elite Pro-70. Sitting 11 ft back! I thought about it. But I'd rather spend it on speakers. Cause one year your projector is the sh!t.. The following year it ain't sh!t! Oh sh!t! Gotta upgrade again! No what I mean! A new and better projector every year. Speakers? Same design 5-10 yrs.
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For what? I'm fine with my Elite Pro-70. Sitting 11 ft back! I thought about it. But I'd rather spend it on speakers. Cause one year your projector is the sh!t.. The following year it ain't sh!t! Oh sh!t! Gotta upgrade again! No what I mean! A new and better projector every year. Speakers? Same design 5-10 yrs.

Hey it's what makes you happy! That is all that matters. Your room looks nice and intimidating!

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For what? I'm fine with my Elite Pro-70. Sitting 11 ft back! I thought about it. But I'd rather spend it on speakers. Cause one year your projector is the sh!t.. The following year it ain't sh!t! Oh sh!t! Gotta upgrade again! No what I mean! A new and better projector every year. Speakers? Same design 5-10 yrs.

Na, Thats not really true. Projectors don't go out of date that fast at all. The only reason to upgrade to anything now would be to get 4K but for most people, spending 10K on a projector isn't an option. I'd say most people are going 4-5 years with the same projector, some even longer. I've had my current AE7000 for a few years now and I'll upgrade to a 4K one at some point but am happy with it to this point. A good projector will always be a good projector!
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popalock - four S2 are basically similar to 16 SI 18"s right? You've wrecked your house with your 16 SI. Detached the stairwell from the wall from what I understand. Two orbit shifters in my room did damage to my house including breaking the floor grout in the kitchen, taking out AV components etc.

I recall it said by Jeff Permanian himself that he'd like to put four orbit shifters in an old abandoned house and run them at full tilt and film the destruction.

You guys are very nearly there!

cool!

But I'm just throwing it out there ---- it's not an old abandoned house you are going to wreck! tongue.gif
I'm only going with three so I will be ok.biggrin.gif

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N8DOGG....Does your subs ever know your projector off axis to your screen? I am curious if this happens to people with a lot of output from their subs?

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For what? I'm fine with my Elite Pro-70. Sitting 11 ft back! I thought about it. But I'd rather spend it on speakers. Cause one year your projector is the sh!t.. The following year it ain't sh!t! Oh sh!t! Gotta upgrade again! No what I mean! A new and better projector every year. Speakers? Same design 5-10 yrs.

It's no different then your TV, I'm sure if you bought your TV within the year it released you paid a pretty penny for it. And now never 70" TV are just as good as the one you bought and a $1000 less. I bought my JVC RS45 two years ago for 3grand and haven't had a single issue and it looks just as awesome as the day I got it.

I sit 11.5ft from a 112" and love it as much as I do my JTR speakers. Almost couldn't have one without the other, but to each their own.
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Ok.. Sorry guys that I don't have a projector.and that I'd rather spend it on speakers instead. Seems like most of here think that having a projector is a must with quality speakers. Is what I'm understanding. Geez.. I'll delete my pictures in case it someone gets offended by it since it doesn't have a projector in it. Thought that this thread was the best thread in AVS...later
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Ok.. Sorry guys that I don't have a projector.and that I'd rather spend it on speakers instead. Seems like most of here think that having a projector is a must with quality speakers. Is what I'm understanding. Geez.. I'll delete my pictures in case it someone gets offended by it since it doesn't have a projector in it. Thought that this thread was the best thread in AVS...later
are you kidding? forget the projector and get two more S2's (not joking here). This is a speaker thread!!

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Ok.. Sorry guys that I don't have a projector.and that I'd rather spend it on speakers instead. Seems like most of here think that having a projector is a must with quality speakers. Is what I'm understanding. Geez.. I'll delete my pictures in case it someone gets offended by it since it doesn't have a projector in it. Thought that this thread was the best thread in AVS...later

Slow down there cowboy. No one was out of line in replying to your one year obsolescence comment re projectors. Flat screen TV's age out as fast if not faster than projectors and the FP cost isn't unreasonable (except for the damn lamps tongue.gif). Many of us have had large flat screens and decided that projection was the only way to get a true movie experience. It is the combination of large screen and big enveloping sound that makes HT a great immersive experience and using a 70" or even 80" TV just isn't the same. We give guys grief who don't have AT projection screens because that is another factor (the sound emanating from the screen) that makes HT really work.

Thats not to say you can't have a nice experience with a big screen TV and a great sound system and given the choice of big screen FP or big audio I would take the big audio. The combo of both big screen projection and big audio is as you would say "the sh!t". wink.gif

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