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Can someone confirm was it in 2010 that Jeff made the switch to BMS drivers? For example the 2010 Triple 8's still had the selenium 220 drivers correct?

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If they were 228HT's,I don't think he'd be thinking of selling them.....lol tongue.gif

Don't you recognize that was a subconscious post hoping someone thinking of selling there 228 would see and contact me...that way I can tell my wife that out of nowhere I got an offer to buy some more speakers at an amazing deal. Sheesh, some of you guys are slow wink.gif

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Just the older models, goes back to Jeff's pro audio roots. I think it stopped around 2009 (not sure exactly).
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Can someone confirm was it in 2010 that Jeff made the switch to BMS drivers? For example the 2010 Triple 8's still had the selenium 220 drivers correct?

http://jtrspeakers.websitetoolbox.com/post/2011-speaker-improvements-4956031

I looked at this picture 10 times a day for 6 months salivating for the T12. smile.gif

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Nice, you are very resourceful! I noticed he did not list the change from Dayton mid drivers to Eminence though. I'm sure that was just a quick bullet point. seems like that would've been an important one to list though. Just simply from curiosity what mid range drivers that on the single eight? Obviously it has a bit more X max being that only one driver per speaker

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Okay, so what you're saying is that you want me to contact you in about 6 months then?....lol
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Can someone confirm was it in 2010 that Jeff made the switch to BMS drivers? For example the 2010 Triple 8's still had the selenium 220 drivers correct?

definitely 2011, my 2010s had selenium
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Yep, I have a DBX dual 31 band EQ. I messed around with it for a little while and it was good for a few filters, but if you really started dialing it in, the noise floor started going up pretty quickly. I learned that it really is a nice piece to use POST audyssey if you use it. Where just a couple filters would further improve the sound for certain. I have been thinking about popping it in and giving it another run with the Danleys though.


I'm using the DBX 231S with my Triple 8's LR. I was getting a slight hiss prior to using it and upon initial setup it got louder, but turning the gain all the way down got rid of it. I dialed things down a bit between 800 and 4k hz and they seemed to sound better. Another forum member (Mojomike) did this before me and we discussed it here awhile back. I turned the gain down prior to running Audyssey and made the other adjustments after.
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Good evening all. Have a few requests for advice and opinions:

I'm a JTR owner, Pro gear. T8s and Growlers

So my need for your input:

My set of T8s won't provide enough top end support for larger venues. So this leaves me with a few options. One is find a pair of T12s, second is find Noesis 2TXs, third is add another pair of T8s so I don't have to sell my 2011s. So it's been said doubling up cabs is a big no-no as the high freqs will cancel each other out due to mixing down field, thus the use of a 40degree or less horn for arraying. My question is if I doubled up T8s is there a way to do so with minimizing mixing/cancellation? Perhaps a pair FOH and a pair Side of House (SOH) but that's very non standard. For FOH I will be flying the cabs 10-12 feet high. If like to just fly two more FOH. They are running off a very robust QSCPL340 at 4 ohms per side. Of course two pairs of 2TXs with 40deg horns is ideal but out of budget right now.

Having said that my T8s are for sale to upgrade to a 2TX pair, or if adding a pair of T8s is an option from question above I'd be looking for a pair of 2010+ T8s.

This probably seems all over the map but it really is not. Need to increase SPL with JTR tops without dropping 6500$.

In any case your input is appreciated.

As an aside I decided to bring the pro gear in the HT and pull the Klipsch. Why? Because JTR shouldn't be wasted in a dark cold garage most of its life in between events. So a pair of T8s or three of them would come in handy. I put the Growlers under the screen, lost some low end extension for LFE, but eq'd it up a bit and to be honest is pretty darn good! Better than the Klipsch 12" sub.

Ok overstayed my welcome with this post. If you're still awake thank you!

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Improvisational Theater

Down to 4 speakers, no subs and the best case scenario is mid-March for the the 215T's. Pretty bleak considering what I had several days ago. In one sense, it is a true 1st world problem tongue.gif but the idea of no HT for 2.5 months was bothering me. So I took down the Slanted 8 height speakers, patched and painted the ceiling mounting holes (they will be moved to surround back duty). Removed the french cleat mounted Triple 8HT-LP's from the side walls ...

Ok, how about an LCR only system with the T8's as mains and a Slanted 8 as center channel. Set em up, ran a 3 position Audyssey that set the T8's to full range and the Slanted 8 to 60hz. Humm, Ok gave it a run with AOF and some music (Alice in Chains Unplugged) and not bad. They put out a little bit of bass but are crystal clear and precise on everything I throw at them.

The takeaway, terrific speakers and if supplemented with subs, probably all anyone needs for a great HT experience ... so, I called Jeff and cancelled the 215T's eek.giftongue.gifwink.gif

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Down to 4 speakers, no subs and the best case scenario is mid-March for the the 215T's. Pretty bleak considering what I had several days ago. In one sense, it is a true 1st world problem tongue.gif but the idea of no HT for 2.5 months was bothering me. So I took down the Slanted 8 height speakers, patched and painted the ceiling mounting holes (they will be moved to surround back duty). Removed the french cleat mounted Triple 8HT-LP's from the side walls ...

Ok, how about an LCR only system with the T8's as mains and a Slanted 8 as center channel. Set em up, ran a 3 position Audyssey that set the T8's to full range and the Slanted 8 to 60hz. Humm, Ok gave it a run with AOF and some music (Alice in Chains Unplugged) and not bad. They put out a little bit of bass but are crystal clear and precise on everything I throw at them.

The takeaway, terrific speakers and if supplemented with subs, probably all anyone needs for a great HT experience ... so, I called Jeff and cancelled the 215T's eek.giftongue.gifwink.gif

Great news for those who Triple 8's are the reality of mains! It is funny when looked at from the broad perspective how we can think of Triple 8's or smaller than the biggest JTR speaker as less than or lacking or "meant to be a surround speaker." Anyhow I actually just came to post and ask what the LP model triple 8 will be set to with the crossover by Audyssey? An LP would be perfect for a center channel if they become my permanent reality smile.gif

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Great news for those who Triple 8's are the reality of mains! It is funny when looked at from the broad perspective how we can think of Triple 8's or smaller than the biggest JTR speaker as less than or lacking or "meant to be a surround speaker." Anyhow I actually just came to post and ask what the LP model triple 8 will be set to with the crossover by Audyssey? An LP would be perfect for a center channel if they become my permanent reality smile.gif

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Those are the Originals in 2008 - 09.

Check this picture out.
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What!?!? Best pic I've seen in ages and takes my breath away. He had a lot of stock at that point but prolly all spoken for already lol. I'm all about the etching on those older ones man so cool! Think he'd do an LCR etched like that for a price? Think Jeff hooked up all 36 cabs at once once just to see what if lol Great stuff tho man two speaker brands that really get me excitred are JBL PRO Cinema and JTR Speakers. I truly love the industrial look

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Good news. Everything should be done by the end of the week. --- Jeff

I am very excited!!
2x rosenut veneered S2's
6x rosenut veneered slanted 8's

I bet those loof really awesome! Take pics and post if you can when you get them. When did you order them?
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I would love to see pics of the speakers in that Rosenut Veneer. I've never ever seen a slant eight with that type of enclosure.

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Good evening all. Have a few requests for advice and opinions:

I'm a JTR owner, Pro gear. T8s and Growlers

So my need for your input:

My set of T8s won't provide enough top end support for larger venues. So this leaves me with a few options. One is find a pair of T12s, second is find Noesis 2TXs, third is add another pair of T8s so I don't have to sell my 2011s. So it's been said doubling up cabs is a big no-no as the high freqs will cancel each other out due to mixing down field, thus the use of a 40degree or less horn for arraying. My question is if I doubled up T8s is there a way to do so with minimizing mixing/cancellation? Perhaps a pair FOH and a pair Side of House (SOH) but that's very non standard. For FOH I will be flying the cabs 10-12 feet high. If like to just fly two more FOH. They are running off a very robust QSCPL340 at 4 ohms per side. Of course two pairs of 2TXs with 40deg horns is ideal but out of budget right now.

Having said that my T8s are for sale to upgrade to a 2TX pair, or if adding a pair of T8s is an option from question above I'd be looking for a pair of 2010+ T8s.

This probably seems all over the map but it really is not. Need to increase SPL with JTR tops without dropping 6500$.

In any case your input is appreciated.

As an aside I decided to bring the pro gear in the HT and pull the Klipsch. Why? Because JTR shouldn't be wasted in a dark cold garage most of its life in between events. So a pair of T8s or three of them would come in handy. I put the Growlers under the screen, lost some low end extension for LFE, but eq'd it up a bit and to be honest is pretty darn good! Better than the Klipsch 12" sub.

Ok overstayed my welcome with this post. If you're still awake thank you!

Go Giants. lol. Sorry had to throw that in there. Maybe next year...or decade.

These are good questions to ask Jeff. If your T8 is 2011 or newer it has the BMS CD in it. The T12 has the same CD so there would No benefit in the highs. The 2TX has a different CD then the T8 & T12 and is Pro Audio oriented so that may give you what you want but there are to many factors that play into the Best choice. Jeff is the Pro Audio Specialist. Wait and ask him direct. smile.gif
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Country WV you beat me to it lol smile.gif

Jeff's exactly your guy for those questions. He has the greatest advice and prolly few different options and it may be something you hadn't ever considered. Good luck man
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Over the past 6-8 months I have made a few calls and have been doing as much research as possible on the CD (4593nd) in the Noesis 212.

My conclusion is:

The BMS CD is a BMF!!!

I'm talking Samuel Jackson Pulp Fiction BMF. Instead of JTR, it should have BMF stamped on the back of the speaker just like SJ's wallet. biggrin.gif

Maybe the 215t will.

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Over the past 6-8 months I have made a few calls and have been doing as much research as possible on the CD (4593nd) in the Noesis 212.

My conclusion is:

The BMS CD is a BMF!!!

I'm talking Samuel Jackson Pulp Fiction BMF. Instead of JTR, it should have BMF stamped on the back of the speaker just like SJ's wallet. biggrin.gif

Maybe the 215t will.

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Jeff finally hired some help! cool.gif Her name is, Kate! Congrats to Jeff at JTR!! Much needed help.
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Do we know definitively which drivers will be used in the 215t? BMS 4593nd in a larger horn for mids/highs? Acoustic Elegance 15" woofers (which version)? I think I read somewhere that 300 Hz was the proposed crossover point. One concern I have by looking at the BMS driver distortion curves provided on the spec sheet is that the 2nd harmonic distortion rises fast as frequency drops below 400 Hz. Does horn loading change this significantly? Also, I assume the 215t is going to be a 2 way design NOT 2.5 way - is this correct?

Sorry if this has already been discussed elsewhere. I try to keep up on this tread, but it moves fast!
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I did only said it would be close but yes the huge box really helps. The 215 model looks like it's going to be close to 95db/1watt down to 25-30hz where the low end corner is. The OS is 97db/1w in that same range. Two OS with 8000 watts vs three 215's with 6000 watts (2000w ea) and it gets close (within 2-4db).

The Noesis 215 tower is going to have a much larger horn to make use of the 4593's 300hz capability. The 15" woofers do need to have a nice response well above crossover point and probably have 16-17mm xmax and 22mm xmech each way with a santoprene surround, treated/damped paper cone, cast basket.

We'll see.
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Here is Jeff's post on the subject.

The speaker is a 3-way design with the coaxial CD being 2 subsystems one. One part handles the highs the other the mids with an internal XO of 6300hz.

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