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This is great but it would be even better if it was missing the ground too on the male side.

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This is great but it would be even better if it was missing the ground too on the male side.
Good catch. With the ground it defeats the purpose.

Anyone found one without a ground?
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Good catch. With the ground it defeats the purpose.

Anyone found one without a ground?
Just cut it off. Done.
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Just cut it off. Done.
Removing the ground should work. Has anyone done this with positive results? A cheater plug sure solved my hiss problems.
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Removing the ground should work. Has anyone done this with positive results? A cheater plug sure solved my hiss problems.

yes it will work, thats all a cheater plug is! In my old house, I snipped off the ground on lots of equipment and it always worked fine.

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Ok, took my first step towards room treatments. Just ordered 2 black "bass traps" to go behind my left and right speakers. They are pretty big in 2 feet wide by 4 feet tall and 4 inches deep. Should fit perfectly between my screen and the wall on each side as the opening is about 1 inch wider then the bass trap. Ordered them from Acoustimac and they also are rated to really cover all the frequencies so I am viewing them as bass traps and just general sound panels. WIll so how this works out and then potentially get more in the future. You guys are bringing me along slowly but surely tongue.gif
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yes it will work, thats all a cheater plug is! In my old house, I snipped off the ground on lots of equipment and it always worked fine.

I was just going to pull the 20amp receptacle out of the wall, unhook the ground wire and then put everything back together.

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Sounds like an awesome setup!

Are you having issues with uneven bass response? Why the need for a second S2?

Thanks man, the upgrade from a 5x Klipsch RB-51 w/ an SVS PB12-NSD to this JTR setup exceeded my expectations! I've had it set up for about 3 months now and it never fails to put a huge grin on my face. Actually my FR is quite good for just having a single sub, I start to clip the amp on the S2 around the -3/-5MV on heavy ULF scenes (WOTW, HTTYD, TIH etc) and although I know it's not a huge deal as I'm sure, and have been told, that it's completely fine... it's more of a "peace of mind" kind of thing. Here's the FR at the MLP with the S2... makes me smile like this biggrin.gif



BTW, this is on a suspended wooden floor and the MLP is a damn bed! The real low stuff makes if feel like your sitting on JELL-O... it's pretty cool. Might not be the prettiest setup ever.. but it's a fun ride. tongue.gif Also, I don't want to make it seem like the Klipsch/SVS setup was bad, it was certainly no slouch and sounded great... I just wanted something, well... even meaner..

"Actually my FR is quite good for just having a single sub... " You are being very modest MiniHT. A low end corner frequency of 5Hz with that room gain = awesome! eek.gifbiggrin.gif

I'm struggling to understand why you would be clipping the S2's amp at those levels though. confused.gif In theory, at a calibrated 0dBMV you should have around 6dB of headroom on a continuous basis and an extra 2.5dB on top of that for peaks. Or are you running the S2 "very" hot?
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I was just going to pull the 20amp receptacle out of the wall, unhook the ground wire and then put everything back together.

Don't do that...it isn't safe and isn't to code. If you had a fire and that was found...let's just say your insurance company would be happy and you wouldn't be.
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Don't do that...it isn't safe and isn't to code. If you had a fire and that was found...let's just say your insurance company would be happy and you wouldn't be.

I get what you're saying but how is it any different then just cutting the ground off of the cord?

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I get what you're saying but how is it any different then just cutting the ground off of the cord?
Because it is not in your wall and you don't have to worry about code. There is no other difference.

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I get what you're saying but how is it any different then just cutting the ground off of the cord?

Ya, I wouldn't do that either. Like has been said, if there was ever a fire, you wouldn't be covered. As far as the amp cord, that makes no difference. You could buy another off ebay and clip the ground off of it, in case you want to keep yours.

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Okay Sherbourn PA 7-350 update!!!

So I totally forgot that they actually sent me two power cords with my amp, I don't know why but they had. So since the first time I wired up my 228HT's to the PA 7-350 I had a faint buzz noise (not hiss) but a very audible buzzing coming from only the compression drivers in my speakers. I knew I had a small ground loop issue but really never bothered to track it down because it only became an issue with this amp and once I was between 6-8ft away you couldn't hear it and definitely not from my MLP.

So I just dug out the spare cord, grabbed some pliers and began with wiggle the ground pin back and forth until it popped out. I plugged it back into the amp, unplugged the RCA's from my receiver so that only the speaker wires are hooked up to the amp and turned it on. Well to my pleasant surprise the center channel and right speaker are now both dead silent and the left speaker's buzz is now so quiet that it can only be heard with my ear less then 2ft away from it.

So that's great news for me and now I love this amp even more!...lol smile.gif

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Well, the last week has been "guilty pleasure" week for me watching movies. I have watched all three Transformers, Wanted and "9". "9" (the animated movie) is actually pretty good with a great soundtrack but the other four are movies I probably shouldn't like, but I do. The last transformers is a sonic tour de force and reminds me a little of Pacific Rim....not a whole lot of believable plot but just fantastic audio/visual.
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I was just going to pull the 20amp receptacle out of the wall, unhook the ground wire and then put everything back together.

this is what I did. works great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that way I cut off no third prong if I wish to resell any amps.

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this is what I did. works great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that way I cut off no third prong if I wish to resell any amps.


It doesn't take a unique set of qualifications/experiences (a career in the electrical trade, specializing in supplying power for concerts/special events, and decades in audio/FOH engineering) to point out that this is a bad practice. Yeah, it works, but one should never, under any circumstances, remove the receptacle's ground.

There's a myriad of other approaches one could pursue.

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"Actually my FR is quite good for just having a single sub... " You are being very modest MiniHT. A low end corner frequency of 5Hz with that room gain = awesome! eek.gifbiggrin.gif

I'm struggling to understand why you would be clipping the S2's amp at those levels though. confused.gif In theory, at a calibrated 0dBMV you should have around 6dB of headroom on a continuous basis and an extra 2.5dB on top of that for peaks. Or are you running the S2 "very" hot?

Thanks for the comments Giegar, it certainly is a lot of fun! I was struggling to understand that as well when I first calibrated everything but I really ONLY see the clip lights start to flicker when there are hot effects below ~10hz or so AND hot stuff above that. So I'm really only talking about heavy, full bandwidth content. For instance, just the other day I watched Terminator Salvation.. which I'm sure you know is an absolute brute above ~20hz or so.. I went back and played all the heavy scenes at 0MV, plugged my ears, and popped my head behind the sub to watch the amp.... Never even blipped the clip light once. I think it's just when there's hot content introduced in the real low octaves.. which makes sense to me due to it taking a ton of power to reproduce. Also, another important fact is that I'm in a very old house.. I get a fair amount of voltage drop, again, only in those heavy scenes with hot ULF introduced. So who knows, I guess it's possible that the amp could be starving for power but I'm not sure if that would cause the clip lights to engage..

About how I calibrated. I have everything running off a Pio SC-35 so I use MCACC.. speakers are all calibrated at 75-75.5dB and the sub is at 77-78dB verified with a calibrated Galaxy CM-140 from CSL post MCACC. This is with the amp gain 3 clicks from the lowest setting and the Trim comes in at -1.5. I don't bump the trim up in the AVR at all but I guess this is still ~3dB hot? Again, I want to make it clear that the lights aren't on solid at all.. just a "flicker" here and there during the real fun stuff.. so no biggy IMO. Currently running the S2, AVR, BD player and t.v. on a single 20a circuit with nothing else on that run.. the 2nd S2 will get its own circuit.
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this is what I did. works great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that way I cut off no third prong if I wish to resell any amps.

And now your dirty little secret is out for all to read if you ever do have a problem at your home. This would scare the hell out of me due to the potential to lose insurance coverage. Even down the road, if you forget to change the outlet back and someone else moves in, they could find your post on Avsforum and hold you liable for potentially ANY electrical issues in the house.
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And now your dirty little secret is out for all to read if you ever do have a problem at your home. This would scare the hell out of me due to the potential to lose insurance coverage. Even down the road, if you forget to change the outlet back and someone else moves in, they could find your post on Avsforum and hold you liable for potentially ANY electrical issues in the house.

Me not worried.... Hell i rent. The landlord don't even know I added the circuit..... I may hook the ground back up since I fixed my cable ground loop issue

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All this ground lifting talk is making me nauseous. Best of luck to you all. It's only a matter of time before you end up melting through your shoe soles.

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All this ground lifting talk is making me nauseous. Best of luck to you all. It's only a matter of time before you end up melting through your shoe soles.

Ahh youts and the misguided notion they are invincible. rolleyes.gifsmile.gif

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Not to mention the lack of respect for others property ...

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Me not worried.... Hell i rent. The landlord don't even know I added the circuit..... I may hook the ground back up since I fixed my cable ground loop issue

Besides the legal liability, this is a huge safety issue. Using a cheater plug or removing the 3rd prong can result in dangerous, high current flowing through the cables and lead to electrocution. It's not worth it.

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Ahh youts and the misguided notion they are invincible. rolleyes.gifsmile.gif

Not to mention the lack of respect for others property ...

He should be glad I added a better circuit in his house.... I won't even charge my landlord for doing it.....

Back to jtr speakers please.... Millions use cheater plugs. Oh well

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I've had my system from JTR for a little over a month now, and wanted to provide a mini-review for any folks interested, or on the fence on these speakers. 

The Basics:

Room Size: 21 ft Long | 13.1 ft wide | 8 ft ceilings
LCR: JTR Noesis 228HTs
Sub: Captivator 2400
Surround LR & BL BR: JBL 8320s

Receiver: Denon X4000

External Amps: None
Blu Ray: Oppo 103 Darbee
Projector: Epson 5030 UB
Sound Treatments: None

Build Quality:

The night that these speakers arrived, I was absolutely impressed with the packing. Fed Ex didn't do me any favors in their handling of my speakers, so I was a little worried when I noticed that there was a giant hole in one of the boxes. Fortunately, Jeff had used some very thick styrofoam, which ultimately saved the speaker from whatever was on its way to destroy it in the truck. 

Once unpacked and out of the box, I noticed just how much attention to detail went into designing and manufacturing these speakers. They aren't pretty by any stretch....but they are SOLID. The wife's immediate response was against the look....until......

The Sound:

First things first....Lugging 150 pounds of subwoofer up to the second story by myself was no easy feat.....but listening would later prove that it was totally worth the effort. 
Once setup was complete (btw...you need an XLR connection for the sub lol) we plugged in "Lights" by Ellie Goulding.... The immediate response was "Oh my.", and I think we both giggled a little. I knew I had hit a home run when the wife turned her head to me and yelled (because the music was above reference) "I don't care about the looks....This is AWESOME!".  The fidelity of these speakers to music is INSANE. I have heard the 212s before at a demo in Jeff's shop....and while not quite as rich....the 228hts sounded better than every other speaker I have heard in my life....and I've heard some pretty good stuff. In fact...my neighbor came over to give them a listen and was cursing himself over the B & W speakers he just bought....and paid quite a bit more money for. 

Trying to describe the difference through text won't give these things justice....I suppose the most apparent difference right off, is just how precise they are reproducing track audio....and how effortlessly they are doing so, even at high volumes.  They can be VERY loud, yes......but, even at volumes that my last set of Jamos would start to shriek, these things are still very comfortable.
It says a lot when you can hammer away at tracks at reference volumes with no discomfort what-so-ever. Just sit back and be blown away by the music. 

Since the installation of the 228hts we have re-listened and re-watched nearly every bit of music and movie in our collection. It's just......a different experience. To put it mildly....after attending a showing of "The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug", my wife looked at me and said "This isn't as good as what we have at home."...........No sh&t. 

Movies:

World War Z: When the side of the plane gets destroyed by a hand grenade and the zombies are getting sucked out.....The whole room shakes, like an instant vacuum was just created. You can not only hear the wind....You can FEEL it. 
Star Trek: Into Darkness:  When they are battling the Klingon forces.....The phaser fire pulsates in your chest. When the Enterprise flies by, the whole room shakes. 
Saving Private Ryan: Everything is more real. The gunshots have a certain gravitas that wasn't there before. The explosions blow you back in your seat, and the debris are landing all around you.  
Open Range: You are at the gun range...down the street from your house...without hearing protection. 
Tron: Legacy: Hope you have diapers on. 
MI: Ghost Protocol: You can hear individual grains of sand in the sandstorm....All the little details you missed IN THE MOVIE THEATER, come to life. 

In virtually every movie I've watched, I've been FLOORED by these speakers. 

Efficiency:

I'm running all speakers in 7.1 on a single Denon X4000. No external amplification required at volumes well above reference. 

Bottom Line:

The 228HTs and Cap 2400 have been easily one of the best purchases I have made in my life. For what you get per dollar spent....There's not much to compare them with. I wish I could have gone with S8's for the surrounds, just to keep it even......but at the end of it all, the JBL's can hang, and I'm thinking a second cap 2400 would have a better effect on the room. 

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Great review LS! Glad you are enjoying your purchase!

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I've had my system from JTR for a little over a month now, and wanted to provide a mini-review for any folks interested, or on the fence on these speakers. 


The Basics:


Room Size: 21 ft Long | 13.1 ft wide | 8 ft ceilings

LCR: JTR Noesis 228HTs

Sub: Captivator 2400

Surround LR & BL BR: JBL 8320s
Receiver: Denon X4000
External Amps: None

Blu Ray: Oppo 103 Darbee

Projector: Epson 5030 UB

Sound Treatments: None


Build Quality:


The night that these speakers arrived, I was absolutely impressed with the packing. Fed Ex didn't do me any favors in their handling of my speakers, so I was a little worried when I noticed that there was a giant hole in one of the boxes. Fortunately, Jeff had used some very thick styrofoam, which ultimately saved the speaker from whatever was on its way to destroy it in the truck. 


Once unpacked and out of the box, I noticed just how much attention to detail went into designing and manufacturing these speakers. They aren't pretty by any stretch....but they are SOLID. The wife's immediate response was against the look....until......


The Sound:


First things first....Lugging 150 pounds of subwoofer up to the second story by myself was no easy feat.....but listening would later prove that it was totally worth the effort. 

Once setup was complete (btw...you need an XLR connection for the sub lol) we plugged in "Lights" by Ellie Goulding.... The immediate response was "Oh my.", and I think we both giggled a little. I knew I had hit a home run when the wife turned her head to me and yelled (because the music was above reference) "I don't care about the looks....This is AWESOME!".  The fidelity of these speakers to music is INSANE. I have heard the 212s before at a demo in Jeff's shop....and while not quite as rich....the 228hts sounded better than every other speaker I have heard in my life....and I've heard some pretty good stuff. In fact...my neighbor came over to give them a listen and was cursing himself over the B & W speakers he just bought....and paid quite a bit more money for. 


Trying to describe the difference through text won't give these things justice....I suppose the most apparent difference right off, is just how precise they are reproducing track audio....and how effortlessly they are doing so, even at high volumes.  They can be VERY loud, yes......but, even at volumes that my last set of Jamos would start to shriek, these things are still very comfortable.

It says a lot when you can hammer away at tracks at reference volumes with no discomfort what-so-ever. Just sit back and be blown away by the music. 


Since the installation of the 228hts we have re-listened and re-watched nearly every bit of music and movie in our collection. It's just......a different experience. To put it mildly....after attending a showing of "The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug", my wife looked at me and said "This isn't as good as what we have at home."...........No sh&t. 


Movies:


World War Z: When the side of the plane gets destroyed by a hand grenade and the zombies are getting sucked out.....The whole room shakes, like an instant vacuum was just created. You can not only hear the wind....You can FEEL it. 

Star Trek: Into Darkness:  When they are battling the Klingon forces.....The phaser fire pulsates in your chest. When the Enterprise flies by, the whole room shakes. 

Saving Private Ryan: Everything is more real. The gunshots have a certain gravitas that wasn't there before. The explosions blow you back in your seat, and the debris are landing all around you.  

Open Range: You are at the gun range...down the street from your house...without hearing protection. 

Tron: Legacy: Hope you have diapers on. 

MI: Ghost Protocol: You can hear individual grains of sand in the sandstorm....All the little details you missed IN THE MOVIE THEATER, come to life. 


In virtually every movie I've watched, I've been FLOORED by these speakers. 


Efficiency:


I'm running all speakers in 7.1 on a single Denon X4000. No external amplification required at volumes well above reference. 


Bottom Line:


The 228HTs and Cap 2400 have been easily one of the best purchases I have made in my life. For what you get per dollar spent....There's not much to compare them with. I wish I could have gone with S8's for the surrounds, just to keep it even......but at the end of it all, the JBL's can hang, and I'm thinking a second cap 2400 would have a better effect on the room. 


Buy these and don't look back. 


-Lonestar

Glad you are enjoying them! I'm still trying to save up for a front set up of 228s:(

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

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I've had my system from JTR for a little over a month now, and wanted to provide a mini-review for any folks interested, or on the fence on these speakers. 


The Basics:


Room Size: 21 ft Long | 13.1 ft wide | 8 ft ceilings

LCR: JTR Noesis 228HTs

Sub: Captivator 2400

Surround LR & BL BR: JBL 8320s
Receiver: Denon X4000
External Amps: None
.....

Buy these and don't look back. 


-Lonestar

Great review...makes me more anxious as I wait for my order to arrive. Post some pics of your setup when you get a chance.

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It's hard to get decent pics in there with the walls being so dark. This is from a few weeks ago, before my 8320s came in for the sides. 

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