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SO DID ANYONE GET TRACKING NUMBERS FRIDAY OR THIS WEEK? THAT YOUR SHIPMENT WAS SHIPPED CONFIRMED?

Yep, my 212HT LCRs arrived today (thanks to buzzard767 for swapping places with me!!).

I did not open the boxes yet.
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Is there a sweet spot for either 228/212 or just at certain seating distances?

The Equilateral triangle (or as close as you can get) is always a good starting point. The 212's have a sweet spot but it is bigger (width and depth) than any of the traditional point source speakers i have owned. Most prefer the large toe in as suggested by Archaea but in my case with the 212HT-LP's, I found that I preferred less toe in with the speaker pointed slightly outside of the LP as the best sounding.

That is one thing that is very easy to tune to your preference ... smile.gif


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The Equilateral triangle (or as close as you can get) is always a good starting point. The 212's have a sweet spot but it is bigger (width and depth) than any of the traditional point source speakers i have owned. Most prefer the large toe in as suggested by Archaea but in my case with the 212HT-LP's, I found that I preferred less toe in with the speaker pointed slightly outside of the LP as the best sounding.

That is one thing that is very easy to tune to your preference ... smile.gif

For sure! I have found the same thing where I have ample absorption but a very narrow room so slightly less toe-in helps with the opposite wall reflection points with the higher freqs. This is really a room-dependent aspect of every system. Just because one member has then at close to a 45 degree toe-in doesn't mean that is what works (or sounds) best in your particular room. I encourage everyone getting their new toys to experiment a little with this and some music content they are very familiar with. Odds are after some additional listening you will end up adjusting it more, but putting in a song or two you are comfortable with, and making sure the vocals are centered and the instruments are correct spatially will catapult you to the next level of listening VERY quickly!!!!!

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SO DID ANYONE GET TRACKING NUMBERS FRIDAY OR THIS WEEK? THAT YOUR SHIPMENT WAS SHIPPED CONFIRMED?

Man I wish!
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I did not open the boxes yet.

That would be the fist thing that I would do. I might even take off of work for mine to come.


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Man I wish!
That would be the fist thing that I would do. I might even take off of work for mine to come.

I plan to work from home the day mine will be delivered, but I have a long wait....

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I plan to work from home the day mine will be delivered, but I have a long wait....

Raynist - In the meantime, I suggest you move all of the subwoofers in your various rooms to the room where you plan to put your 228s. Then your sub system might keep up and you'd have really good frequency response at all positions. LOL! J/K.
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Really happy with the Black Oak veneer on the 228HTs, it matches the Black Oak on the Seaton Submersives very well...


The 228HT sitting on top of the HP+ SubM brings the horn to right about optimal height, right around ear level at the MLP.

WOW! Those look awesome. May I ask how much the upgrade to the black oak veneer cost per speaker? Have a black maple submersive and would be interested in black maple 228's.
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Love the symmetry in that setup!


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That would be the fist thing that I would do. I might even take off of work for mine to come.

Took those babies out of the box. Jeff's packing is certainly impressive! It seems like Fedex did not handle the boxes very well as I could see dents and cuts on the cardboard boxes but the speakers are fine because of his excellent packing.

I am unable to figure out if I have speakers standing the way they are supposed to stand, or if they are upside down. Perhaps that doesn't matter?

Also, all three speakers are going behind an AT screen so I would like to ensure that the horns are configured for the vertical orientation. How do I check that?
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Make sure the tweeters are at ear level so you need to move them from top to bottom or bottom to top. As far as rotation goes, I don't think that matters.


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Took those babies out of the box. Jeff's packing is certainly impressive! It seems like Fedex did not handle the boxes very well as I could see dents and cuts on the cardboard boxes but the speakers are fine because of his excellent packing.

I am unable to figure out if I have speakers standing the way they are supposed to stand, or if they are upside down. Perhaps that doesn't matter?

Also, all three speakers are going behind an AT screen so I would like to ensure that the horns are configured for the vertical orientation. How do I check that?

There is no top/bottom to these speakers and the horns are by default set for a vertical speaker orientation.


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SO DID ANYONE GET TRACKING NUMBERS FRIDAY OR THIS WEEK? THAT YOUR SHIPMENT WAS SHIPPED CONFIRMED?

I didn't get any tracking numbers, buy my S8s showed up yesterday!! biggrin.gif:D
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Make sure the tweeters are at ear level so you need to move them from top to bottom or bottom to top. As far as rotation goes, I don't think that matters.

if you are talking about the 228HT in the recent pics -
sorry - wrong on two counts. tongue.gif

The compression drivers can't be moved up or down as the horn has a square cut out and unless you told Jeff to custom make the cabinet (which those are not in the pictures) - the compression driver (tweeter) is stuck in the center.

The rotation does matter. The horn has a 60* x 40* dispersion pattern. You should set it up for your use preference. The default config Jeff ships with is for vertical use. Rotate the horn (the plastic square piece) 90* to have the same 60* by 40* dispersion if using the 228HT or 212HT horizontally. (as a traditional horizontal center channel)

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if you are talking about the 228HT in the recent pics -
sorry - wrong on two counts. tongue.gif

The compression drivers can't be moved up or down as the horn has a square cut out and unless you told Jeff to custom make the cabinet (which those are not in the pictures) - the compression driver (tweeter) is stuck in the center.

The rotation does matter. The horn has a 60* x 40* dispersion pattern. You should set it up for your use preference. The default config Jeff ships with is for vertical use. Rotate the horn (the plastic square piece) 90* to have the same 60* by 40* dispersion if using the 228HT or 212HT horizontally. (as a traditional horizontal center channel)
I know that. I don't know why I thought he got the triple 8's? I can be an idiot at times lol. Good catch.

I just went back and looked and he did indeed say the 212HT's.


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I was curious if there was anyone close to northern ct with jtr 228 or 212's. I would really like to listen to a pair before I pull the trigger. Thanks, Chris

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I bet it doesn't shake below 15hz - unless your subs are nearfield of course.

Guys, once again, I can shake the hell out of me and my couch with 8 18 inch subs, it's ridiculous in fact. However, there is NO shake or feel below 15hz all that happens is bad noises from the house. However, the Crowson is very strong below 15hz all the way down to 5hz (proabably lower, the lowest test tone I have is 5hz).


So, my choices are to have below 15hz bass be meaningless - or use the Crowson.
You are right of course, but I think it has more to do with the fact that my OS won't play below 15hz more than my sub placement, which is now 3-4 feet away from my LP.
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There is no top/bottom to these speakers and the horns are by default set for a vertical speaker orientation.

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if you are talking about the 228HT in the recent pics -
sorry - wrong on two counts. tongue.gif

The compression drivers can't be moved up or down as the horn has a square cut out and unless you told Jeff to custom make the cabinet (which those are not in the pictures) - the compression driver (tweeter) is stuck in the center.

The rotation does matter. The horn has a 60* x 40* dispersion pattern. You should set it up for your use preference. The default config Jeff ships with is for vertical use. Rotate the horn (the plastic square piece) 90* to have the same 60* by 40* dispersion if using the 228HT or 212HT horizontally. (as a traditional horizontal center channel)

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I know that. I don't know why I thought he got the triple 8's? I can be an idiot at times lol. Good catch.

I just went back and looked and he did indeed say the 212HT's.

Thanks guys. Seems like I don't need to make any changes smile.gif
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WOW! Those look awesome. May I ask how much the upgrade to the black oak veneer cost per speaker? Have a black maple submersible and would be interested in black maple 228's.

Thanks ASU, I'm really happy with how they turned out. The veneer cost was about $200 per speaker when I ordered them last year before the price increase. Also, certain styles of veneer cost more than others so your best bet is to get an updated custom quote from Jeff. Good Luck! They are certainly worth the wait smile.gif
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I was curious if there was anyone close to northern ct with jtr 228 or 212's. I would really like to listen to a pair before I pull the trigger. Thanks, Chris

Hey Chris,

I might be the closest JTR owner to you willing to give a demo. (I'm a bit south of Boston) PM me and I'll see if we can set something up.

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The New: I got my balanced minidsp 2x4
The Bad: My OS hums now.
The Info: Output from avr to dsp is rca. Output from dsp to OS is rca to xlr (all I have on hand).
The Good: I disconnected the jumper wire (neutral) on the input side of the dsp and the hum is gone.

And then...

The New: Wife got herself a toaster oven.
The Bad: every time the toaster oven goes into heat mode my OS hums again.
The Info: Guess they share a common ground or something.
The Good: I had a Tripp-Lite Isobar 4 ultra lying in the garage. I plugged the OS into the outlet marked 75db filter and now the hum is gone and the OS is still measuring the same on rew.

Hope this helps someone else out without needing to use dangerous cheater methods. P.s. I tried the 50db filter outlet and the hum was still there.
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Well, my adventure into room treatments starts tonight. I have 3 corner bass traps that were delivered tonight so I will be setting those up. Next week I should have my first sound panels coming. Kris Deering turned me on to some neat treatments from a company called Vicoustics. Gotta prep the room before the Noesis arrive so they arrive to a nice...welcoming space smile.gif


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Well, my adventure into room treatments starts tonight. I have 3 corner bass traps that were delivered tonight so I will be setting those up. Next week I should have my first sound panels coming. Kris Deering turned me on to some neat treatments from a company called Vicoustics. Gotta prep the room before the Noesis arrive so they arrive to a nice...welcoming space smile.gif

Hey Frohlich, my nice new AT screen from Falcon just showed up!...lol hint hint biggrin.gif
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Would placing 228s in wall (back opens to attic space) be a bad idea?

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nope...it would actually be pretty ideal. No rear wall reflections!
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I know what you are doing Joe, and I don't like it ont bit biggrin.gif


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Wait till I put up some pictures to show you the screen and just how easy it would be to build the false wall!...lol

And the best part is that it's hidden behind the screen so it doesn't matter if you don't do a super pro job because no one will see it!...lol biggrin.gif
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Wait till I put up some pictures to show you the screen and just how easy it would be to build the false wall!...lol

And the best part is that it's hidden behind the screen so it doesn't matter if you don't do a super pro job because no one will see it!...lol biggrin.gif

Looking forward to seeing these pictures. I plan on doing this later this year.

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Wait till I put up some pictures to show you the screen and just how easy it would be to build the false wall!...lol

And the best part is that it's hidden behind the screen so it doesn't matter if you don't do a super pro job because no one will see it!...lol biggrin.gif

My shop teacher in high school had some words of wisdom for me: "Go to college...study hard...this shop class is no place for nancy boy like yourself...go on...scoot...get out of here" . Any false wall I design and build will cost 3 times more than it should, have no 90 degree corners to be found and will likely result in me maiming myself in some way, shape or form smile.gif


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