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Thanks.
Then it looks like I will have to upgrade my surrounds then.

I am thinking one of these designs based on the lower cost and high sensitivity:

http://www.diysoundgroup.com/coaxial-speaker-kits/v8-volt-kit.html

http://www.diysoundgroup.com/waveguide-speaker-kits/fusion-series-kits/fusion8-kit.html

Or the 2009 slant 8's that are for sale for $625
where are these 2009 slants for sale at

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where are these 2009 slants for sale at

Looking to become a rich idiot are you?

(3) JTR Noesis 212HT (LCR) (2) JTR Single 8 (wides) (2) JTR Slanted 8 (sides) (2) DIY Eminence 10" coax (rear Surrounds)
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One can hope smile.gif is that for the pair

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The 2009 S8's are sold pending payment.

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Looking to become a rich idiot are you?

Haha in his defence he did say he gad been drinking at the time of the comments. biggrin.gif
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Drunk statements are always forgiven for the asking (or apology) which he did. If not we would have all been in trouble long ago.smile.gif

If we did not do regretful things while drinking there would be no reason to stop. biggrin.gif

My idea of the perfect night used to be Hot sex after a Drunken Bar fight. Too bad we got to get old.

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If we did not do regretful things while drinking there would be no reason to stop. biggrin.gif

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LOL...Chris that's a quote I'm going to have to remember to use next time I'm in the dog house with the wife after some drinking,....lol biggrin.gif
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The 2009 S8's are sold pending payment.

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That didn't last long.
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So.... I got the S8s mounted as two slanted front wides, and two LP surrounds. Gave them a quick test, and wow! Everything improved another level over the deftech surrounds/wides I was using. It feels like I'm sitting in a bubble of sound. Everything matches nicely and the S8s really complement the 212s well.

BTW, I love front wides. Like I said, it's like sitting in a bubble of sound as Optimus Prime and Megatron go at it.

I do have two problems thought:

1. I want to put up rear surrounds... so I have to dish out more money for two more slanted 8s, and some how mount them to the ceiling.
2. I finally got my ClassD Audio SDS-470 amp and hooked it up to the LCR. Ran Audyssey and it complained the phase was not correct on the speakers. After some experimenting, I have to connect the speaker wires reversed in order to have Audyssey be happy. I'm using XLRs from the AV8801 to the SDS470. Anyone have any thoughts? Does it matter?
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and some how mount them to the ceiling

I use these. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CSAZM8U/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
They work great for me.

I have 5 of the ClassD amps and have to do similar changes. I am using them for 3-way active speakers but I am sure the theory is the same.

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Thanks, Moto. I'll check out those mounts.

So, with the ClassD amps, you're saying that it's ok to have the speaker wires connected in reverse? I'm guessing the AV8801 is somehow outputting a balanced signal that has the opposite polarity that the amp is expecting. The reason I want to confirm is that the AV8801 manual says that for some speakers, Audyssey will say wrong phase but it should be ignored. how do I make sure the phase is indeed wrong?
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We are dangerously close to the end of my knowledge smile.gif. OK, really we are past it.

I assume you don't have REW. If not I would email Tom at ClassD and see what he has to say on the subject. Usually takes him a little while to answer but he has always responded to me. And believe me all my emails to him were not about buying something! Altho it takes a little time I have found ClassD customer service to be outstanding.

You could also email Audyssey, they have responded to me as well, altho I don't use it for room correction, only for 11 channels as you are.
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Thanks again. I did email Tom - awaiting his response.

I've never tried REW... maybe it's time.

I wish I could get height speakers as well. There's a bulk head right above the right speaker which makes placement bad. I'd have to place the heights at only about 7' up which I'm guessing is not high enough.
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After selling my S8's yesterday I am moving around some speakers. I removed the left height and then got distracted and didn't remove the right height. Started to watch a show and couldn't figure out why the sound was pulling to the right til I remembered I hadn't unhooked the RH speaker, they definitely do something.

Mine are about 8 feet up as my ceiling is 9 foot. As far as being up high enough I think it would depend on the level of your LCR. Mine are only about 36" to the tweeter so there is a good bit of height difference. Tho remember they are also outboard about 15 degrees so there is that too.
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My LCR are about 38" at tweeter level so there's room for heights, but I cannot go outboard much. The heights would be almost on top of the LR speakers.
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If you have some to test with that would be the best way to check. Obviously before buying anything. My guess is you would like them.
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So.... I got the S8s mounted as two slanted front wides, and two LP surrounds. Gave them a quick test, and wow! Everything improved another level over the deftech surrounds/wides I was using. It feels like I'm sitting in a bubble of sound. Everything matches nicely and the S8s really complement the 212s well.

BTW, I love front wides. Like I said, it's like sitting in a bubble of sound as Optimus Prime and Megatron go at it.

I do have two problems thought:

1. I want to put up rear surrounds... so I have to dish out more money for two more slanted 8s, and some how mount them to the ceiling.
2. I finally got my ClassD Audio SDS-470 amp and hooked it up to the LCR. Ran Audyssey and it complained the phase was not correct on the speakers. After some experimenting, I have to connect the speaker wires reversed in order to have Audyssey be happy. I'm using XLRs from the AV8801 to the SDS470. Anyone have any thoughts? Does it matter?


It doesnt matter if you have to reverse the wires. wont make any difference. Ive had a few amps that had the same thing in my processor.

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Thanks, N8. Do u mean that I can ignore the complaint from audyssey and connect them as per color coding, or I should leave them reversed?
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Thanks, N8. Do u mean that I can ignore the complaint from audyssey and connect them as per color coding, or I should leave them reversed?
My 4311 does that to sometimes. If the wires are hooked up correctly ignore Audyssey and go on with it. smile.gif My Pioneer SC-37 did the same at times.

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Thanks, N8. Do u mean that I can ignore the complaint from audyssey and connect them as per color coding, or I should leave them reversed?

I generally just leave it and ignore it.

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Tom said the reverse polarity is done on purpose. So I'll leave it reversed. Thanks for the help again.
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Q) Is the 2AX pretty much the same thing as the 228HT, except for the pro cabinet and pole mounting? (which I'd like). Or are they completely different speakers.
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Q) Is the 2AX pretty much the same thing as the 228HT, except for the pro cabinet and pole mounting ? (which I'd like). Or are they completely different speakers.
Same CD/horn but has 10" woofers. Both are 2-way speakers but they have different cabinets. The 2ax cost $400 more.

It would appear they are the same from 1000hz up and differ from 1000hz down.

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Q) Is the 2AX pretty much the same thing as the 228HT, except for the pro cabinet and pole mounting? (which I'd like). Or are they completely different speakers.
I am not sure how fimilar you are with JTR, but Jeff does custom work. If you have something in mind you would like, just ask him to do it.
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Woohoo. When I ordered my Noesis in late December Jeff said 4 to 5 weeks for the 212s and 7 to 8 weeks for the custom center. I just spoke with him and he said everything should be ready late next week. Jeff...completing custom work ahead of time....what is this world coming to smile.gif
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I think archaea mentioned once that the Gjallahorn is tuned to a certain frequency and anything below that drops off precipitously, whereas the Orbit Shifter behaves more like a sealed sub but giving up some output...

As was mentioned, there is some slight "ringing" above 60hz but how prevalent it is in room, I don't know. Using another sub to handle above 60hz seems to be the suggestion though biggrin.gif

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Thanks, Moto. I'll check out those mounts.

So, with the ClassD amps, you're saying that it's ok to have the speaker wires connected in reverse? I'm guessing the AV8801 is somehow outputting a balanced signal that has the opposite polarity that the amp is expecting. The reason I want to confirm is that the AV8801 manual says that for some speakers, Audyssey will say wrong phase but it should be ignored. how do I make sure the phase is indeed wrong?

You always want all of your speaker to be in phase, if the positives and negatives are incorrectly done then you will have issues. If your room or speaker placement is causing audyssey to show phase issues and you have already double and triple checked that your wiring is indeed correct, then simply ignore it.

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Woohoo. When I ordered my Noesis in late December Jeff said 4 to 5 weeks for the 212s and 7 to 8 weeks for the custom center. I just spoke with him and he said everything should be ready late next week. Jeff...completing custom work ahead of time....what is this world coming to smile.gif
Sounds like Good intentions but the phrase "Grain of Salt" comes to mind.smile.gif
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Woohoo. When I ordered my Noesis in late December Jeff said 4 to 5 weeks for the 212s and 7 to 8 weeks for the custom center. I just spoke with him and he said everything should be ready late next week. Jeff...completing custom work ahead of time....what is this world coming to smile.gif

Ahh man....... I ordered mine in October and still nothing.... lol

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Ahh man....... I ordered mine in October and still nothing.... lol

$10 says he is shipping me your center and got our orders confused smile.gif

As Chris said, I am taking it with a grain of salt. I asked him twice just in case I heard him wrong and he said everything should be ready to ship by next Friday.
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