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post #15481 of 30452 Old 01-31-2014, 08:26 AM
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The Gen1's are the problem, where the gain is 32dB. The Gen2's they dropped to 29dB so that helps a little.

I'd go for the XPR personally. New, improved, and mo'powah cool.gif

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The Gen1's are the problem, where the gain is 32dB. The Gen2's they dropped to 29dB so that helps a little.

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The Anthem MRX-710 has received high praise for its stereo performance from members on our local HTforum.
Compared to XT-32 ARC also offers insight in the results and limited custom adjustment.

On Denon vs Marantz : Denon is considered to be a bit more dynamic where Marantz is more laid back.
I have not listened to the Denon but can attest to the Marantz sound.
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$$$$
http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/35357/secret-warehouse-sale-starts
XPR-2 FR - $1,500 *ships via LTL freight. U.S. only.
XPR-5 FR - $1,900 *ships via LTL freight. U.S. only.

At that point I'm pricepoint hard to ignore the stack of Crowns. biggrin.gif

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My Gen 1 XPA-3 worked fine with the 228HT powred by RCA off my Onkyo TX-NR1007. Trims were set to about -9 or 10 in my room. Mains and center are about 10 feet away. Probably wouldn't work with the more senstiive 212HT. with the additional 3dB down for Emotiva gen 2 I might have got away with 212HT okay in my room. Put XLR pre-amp output in the mix and probably not without attenuators (in my room anyway) because XLR sends a bit stronger voltage output than RCA typically.

Another option is to buy a stack of four Crown stereo 1000 or 1500 pro amps. Several of the guys in the recent PA meet have ventured this direction, and some of the crown amps are complely silent until they reach a certain heat threshold which is to say the fans will never turn on for home theater use. You might pm Gorilla83 or ChopShop1 for their recommendations there.

Unique Squared sells Crowns on ebay and more importantly takes offers. (often at significant discounts from what I've read on the forums. A half dozen people got Inuke DSP 3000's for $240 in buy it now offer for instance in one of the DIY threads, and those are $360 - $400 pretty much everywhere else)
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The guts in the xls1000 I would steer clear of. The 1500 and up have much improved power supply boards and more meaty components. I am currently using a 1500 to run the line sources and it works beautifully. Not a peep out of it.
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I'd go for the XPR personally. New, improved, and mo'powah cool.gif

Which is also 29db gain IIRC

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Ah.smile.gif

The Anthem MRX-710 has received high praise for its stereo performance from members on our local HTforum.
Compared to XT-32 ARC also offers insight in the results and limited custom adjustment.

On Denon vs Marantz : Denon is considered to be a bit more dynamic where Marantz is more laid back.
I have not listened to the Denon but can attest to the Marantz sound.

Full ARC allows a ton of customization. The full implementation is in the D2V and 50V. The MRX 710 improves the ARC over the MRX700 but it still is a limited ARC implementation. I spent quite a bit of time reading up on it over the last few weeks as I was looking at the D2V. Nick said the D2V will receive no more updates which implies no 4K upgrade. That was a dealer killer for me as I wouldn't spend that kind of money unless it had some legs for the next few years.
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http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/35357/secret-warehouse-sale-starts
XPR-2 FR - $1,500 *ships via LTL freight. U.S. only.
XPR-5 FR - $1,900 *ships via LTL freight. U.S. only.

At that point I'm pricepoint hard to ignore the stack of Crowns. biggrin.gif

I'm also a fan of the yamaha p_s series
http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global/en/products/poweramps/ps_series/
Dead silent until they hit 90*c at which point the amp's fan spins up. In my use of a borrowed unit the amp's fan never turned on. Quality built, everything about them reeks of quality compared to many amps I've laid my grubby hands on.


How can we help you spend your money today? tongue.gif

Ha smile.gif

Those prices are even cheaper than their holiday sale, which is *supposed* to be their best sale. Apparently the secret warehouse sale is better.

I had grabbed a screenshot during the holiday sale to compare just for this reason:


All jokes aside, the XPA Gen 2 is plenty and the best value for most who want to try amps.

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My Gen 1 XPA-3 worked fine with the 228HT powred by RCA off my Onkyo TX-NR1007. Trims were set to about -9 or 10 in my room. Mains and center are about 10 feet away. Probably wouldn't work with the more senstiive 212HT. with the additional 3dB down for Emotiva gen 2 I might have got away with 212HT okay in my room. Put XLR pre-amp output in the mix and probably not without attenuators (in my room anyway) because XLR sends a bit stronger voltage output than RCA typically.

Another option is to buy a stack of four Crown stereo 1000 or 1500 pro amps. Several of the guys in the recent PA meet have ventured this direction, and some of the crown amps are complely silent until they reach a certain heat threshold which is to say the fans will never turn on for home theater use. You might pm Gorilla83 or ChopShop1 for their recommendations there.

Unique Squared sells Crowns on ebay and more importantly takes offers. (often at significant discounts from what I've read on the forums. A half dozen people got Inuke DSP 3000's for $240 in buy it now offer for instance in one of the DIY threads, and those are $360 - $400 pretty much everywhere else)
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I am using two Crown XLS-1500s (bought from Unique Squared smile.gif) to power the 212 LCRs and the quintuple back surround. The fan NEVER turned on in my setup.
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Dirac Live room correction? Anyone know anything about that? I wonder if you can just auto eq up to 300hz ish and turn off the eq above that.

Everyone at Cedia used the Datasat Rs20i for demos. It has the full version of Dirac Live. And I mean everyone. The Emo has a limited version and I'm very curious to hear the input from the early buyers.
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1) There are plenty of AVRs certified for 4ohm loads, and there is probably a legitimate reason the others are not.
2) Just because one person makes it work with one model of AVR - doesn't mean a different model from a different manufactorer will.
--2b) Carp what model Pioneer Elite do you have? Can you see if it's certified for 4ohm?
3) Coolgeek's experience with the 212HT is an example. Used a Martantz not rated for 4ohm and it didn't work well at all, made him think he needed to use a high power external amp. Got an Onkyo rated for 4ohm and couldn't tell the difference between external amp and Onkyo.

I turn in my vote for don't do it --- or at least call Marantz support and get their opinon.

My Pioneer receiver isn't 4ohm rated and I was able to drive my 228HT's and four QS8 surrounds extremely loud and didn't have any issues. But as soon as I tried raising the levels on the surrounds to level match them to the 228HT's, it would cause the amp to shut down after about 20mins. If I would raise the levels on the surrounds it was perfectly fine.

Now that I have a PA 7-350, I have no need to worry about that.
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Everyone at Cedia used the Datasat Rs20i for demos. It has the full version of Dirac Live. And I mean everyone. The Emo has a limited version and I'm very curious to hear the input from the early buyers.

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Is that emotive processor ever going to be released...its been on the verge of release for about three years (or so it seems).

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Is that emotive processor ever going to be released...its been on the verge of release for about three years (or so it seems).

The guys on the waiting list just got notification today as a matter of fact that units will start shipping in March. It will probably take at least a few months to cover all the presales after all this time.

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Nice to see its coming to fruition...the wait has been long for many on the waiting list.

I just went to the website and listened to the podcast. Sounds like the processor it's Part of their Made in the USA initiative. That's a big change...they estimate over 80% of all emotiva products will be made in the us within 5 years.

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Dirac Live room correction? Anyone know anything about that? I wonder if you can just auto eq up to 300hz ish and turn off the eq above that.

I use Amarra Symphony with iRC in my Mac mini source stereo set. iRC = Dirac. it works like this: first you use a USB mic (I use the UMIK-1) to do the measurements. This gets you a curve and a proposed target curve which in my case was between 20 Hz and about 20KHz. You can then reduce that zone as you wish. So, yes, you can limit to 300 Hz! Then, you can manually change the proposed curve.

After that, you save the result curve and apply it during playback. Four different curves can be applied. I suppose the 8 channel version is the same, only more extended.
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The guys on the waiting list just got notification today as a matter of fact that units will start shipping in March. It will probably take at least a few months to cover all the presales after all this time.

After receiving notice earlier that they would be shipped on 2/14 after years of "coming soon". I would be shocked if they make March. I think that the new features are a smoke screen for something else, but that is just a guess. I actually bought a emo discount card because I was so interested in this, but with all of the delays, the stripped down version of Dirac and the buggy launch of the last processor, I may be out. I will absolutely wait until it has been thoroughly tested and reviewed before I buy anything.

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Well, I suppose it's known that Jeff isn't very good at returning emails or phone calls, but I sort of feel like it's getting a little ridiculous. I ordered my speakers back in the end of December. I made a change a few weeks ago from a cap 1000 to a cap s2 and was able to talk to Jeff then. He said it wouldn't delay the order any, and I should be getting it soon. I emailed him about a week ago to change the 228 L/R to 212 because of reading on here and haven't heard a reply. I've tried calling 5 times, leaving messages twice, and have emailed him just hoping to get confirmation that he saw the order change. I also just want to pay the difference in the speaker price. I'm trying to be understanding but when spending over 10K on 5 speakers and a sub it seems like you could get a call back.
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Well, I suppose it's known that Jeff isn't very good at returning emails or phone calls, but I sort of feel like it's getting a little ridiculous. I ordered my speakers back in the end of December. I made a change a few weeks ago from a cap 1000 to a cap s2 and was able to talk to Jeff then. He said it wouldn't delay the order any, and I should be getting it soon. I emailed him about a week ago to change the 228 L/R to 212 because of reading on here and haven't heard a reply. I've tried calling 5 times, leaving messages twice, and have emailed him just hoping to get confirmation that he saw the order change. I also just want to pay the difference in the speaker price. I'm trying to be understanding but when spending over 10K on 5 speakers and a sub it seems like you could get a call back.

I wouldn't rely on emails. Just keep calling, don't leave messages. Some days when I called I was able to get him multiple times. Other days no answer.

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Yes, you can set your EQ range. I can demo it for you if I am able to come down for the room correction comparison. It isn't flexible enough for my setup, but for someone simple like you it might work. biggrin.gif
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Yes, you can set your EQ range. I can demo it for you if I am able to come down for the room correction comparison. It isn't flexible enough for my setup, but for someone simple like you it might work. biggrin.gif


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What is Jeff's new help doing if not answering phones and emails? I would think that would be job #1.
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Well, I suppose it's known that Jeff isn't very good at returning emails or phone calls, but I sort of feel like it's getting a little ridiculous. I ordered my speakers back in the end of December. I made a change a few weeks ago from a cap 1000 to a cap s2 and was able to talk to Jeff then. He said it wouldn't delay the order any, and I should be getting it soon. I emailed him about a week ago to change the 228 L/R to 212 because of reading on here and haven't heard a reply. I've tried calling 5 times, leaving messages twice, and have emailed him just hoping to get confirmation that he saw the order change. I also just want to pay the difference in the speaker price. I'm trying to be understanding but when spending over 10K on 5 speakers and a sub it seems like you could get a call back.

While I whole heartily agree with you I think I just read on his Facebook page that he just got a huge shipment of sub drivers so he was going to be super busy trying to get subs out. I know its not really a good excuse but could explain the lack of return calls.
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What is Jeff's new help doing if not answering phones and emails? I would think that would be job #1.
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Jeff did track down my missing package with my 6x veneered slanted8s, and 2x veneered S2s, it scared the crap out of him i bet to have to possibly replace my order if it went lost.
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Jeff did track down my missing package with my 6x veneered slanted8s, and 2x veneered S2s, it scared the crap out of him i bet to have to possibly replace my order if it went lost.

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Well I believe that any JTR speaker will benefit from an external power amp.
The cheap PA amps, especially Behringer INuke etc I would not wire up to any mid high speaker.
They just sound horrible.
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Jeff did track down my missing package with my 6x veneered slanted8s, and 2x veneered S2s, it scared the crap out of him i bet to have to possibly replace my order if it went lost.

That is awesome news (for you...and Jeff) smile.gif
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*sighs, searches for thumbs down button, mutters, leaves thread...

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