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post #15661 of 30452 Old 02-04-2014, 04:38 AM
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I've own pretty much all the Metallica concert disks. The best sounding since Blu-Ray's came out is the one from Mexico IMO. Quebec, Nimes, Big 4, etc. are all very good but not as good as Mexico.

http://www.amazon.com/Orgullo-Pasion-Gloria-Noches-Blu-ray/dp/B00315RRD4/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1391485077&sr=1-1&keywords=metallica+blu+ray+mexico
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B002OT735A/ref=tmm_blu_new_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=new&qid=1391517047&sr=1-7
Do you have an idea where to pick this French version up for less than $200. smile.gif

I have everything else but the longer I wait on this one the more the price goes up. I passed on $150. last year. rolleyes.gif

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Well I got my new centet last night! Sounds great..... No Noesis grill for my broken one though of course. lol. urgh.

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Well I got my new centet last night! Sounds great..... No Noesis grill for my broken one though of course. lol. urgh.

1)Awesome you got your center and that you like it.

2)Jeff told me it should only be 3 to 5 months to get your new grill smile.gif
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B002OT735A/ref=tmm_blu_new_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=new&qid=1391517047&sr=1-7
Do you have an idea where to pick this French version up for less than $200. smile.gif

I have everything else but the longer I wait on this one the more the price goes up. I passed on $150. last year. rolleyes.gif

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No I don't... it was like 50 when it came out if I remember right. I say don't bother. You can watch the entire concert in HD on youtube (at least you could last I checked) and this new Blu-Ray is so much better than any concert disk I've ever seen/heard.... by a lot. Hmm you don't get Dyers Eve though, but that's on the Mexico disk.
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B002OT735A/ref=tmm_blu_new_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=new&qid=1391517047&sr=1-7
Do you have an idea where to pick this French version up for less than $200. smile.gif

I have everything else but the longer I wait on this one the more the price goes up. I passed on $150. last year. rolleyes.gif

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Whaaaaat? $200 for a Metallica concert Blu Ray? Gotta be a real fan for that. I was looking through the Amazon reviews and someone mentioned it is cheaper on the Metallica site.
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Just DL the blu already wink.gif

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I don't trust any/all reviews of anything in mags/net about audio, I don't trust any manufacturer claiming anything, nothing. IMO, it really is a total snake oil industry. Speakers, cables, amps... all of it.

An amp that sounds very different from another is a broken amp, all it should do is amplify the signal, thats it. They "shouldn't" sound different and they ones that possibly do? they are broken designs.

I'm 100% with Carp and Archaea. Having had over 40 different amps counting my pro and HT version, I've yet to hear any significant difference between any of them and any level other than clipping.
I honestly do think people that hear huge differences are nuts, I completely write them off and pretty much would never take their advise on anything (sorry lol) Slight differences? Sure it's possible, I don't personally hear any, so some guy on the internet isn't going to "convince me" that they do, thats for sure. Same goes the other way.
There are certain people on AVS that I respect their info and input and would take their advice in a heartbeat, then there are others that I wouldn't take their advise on dental floss, since I think they are tools (though not many in this thread, this is a great bunch of guys and the only thread on the internet that isn't full of BS biggrin.gif)

It's a fun hobby, we all like to try out new stuff but too many people get caught up in audio. Super flat response's, graph this, graph that. Blah. It's fun to tweak but in the end, isn't it your own personal enjoyment that you really care about? I setup my system how I want it to sound, whether that means someone agrees with me or not makes no difference. How many times has someone said " thats not the way the director intended it to be heard" LOL, gimme a break, who the hell case what some director thinks, I bought the movie, and I'm gonna run my subs 15dB hot, so get outta my way, cause here comes the bass!!!

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I agree with everything here...

I never understood the meticulous measuring either. I just set things up to sound as good as possible to me graph be damned... for music I like it with less bass... for movies I like the bass hot. And I like thx movie mode on the onkyo...

And to add to the amp debate... I think I agree that there might not be an immediate difference at the same volume but when it comes to receivers what makes the differences to me are the dsp modes... my brother's yamaha doesn't have the movie mode I like on my onkyo and none of the modes on his yamaha does it for me. I am sure if I played them below clipping is stereo mode that they would sound the same. I just don't like stereo music anymore... I much prefer multi channel music and this is where a more expensive receiver makes the most difference... they have the modes I like...

And the other thing to consider other than the dsps built into the receiver is the power or wattage. My marantz 100 watts per channel receiver just didnt have enough juice even with the efficiency of the 212s for me. When played at the volume I like the clip lights are always on... any louder abd the receiver goes into protect mode... thats where my 10000 watt clone came to the rescue... you can never clip this monster... until I got my onkyo 3009 I much prefer my clone to the marantz... the onkyo puts out 140 watts into 8ohms n I think it goes way higher for 4ohms which it is stable down to. I like the mode on the onkyo better as well... and now I can play at the volume I like without clipping... end of story...
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Today I spoke to a designer he told me years ago at a client he could even tell which mixer was connected smile.gif
They swapped the 2 mixers over and over again and he got it right all the time smile.gif.

As I told before I managed to sell power amps to a speaker company because according to him he could hear a difference.
Or I was good in sales, I doubt, or he was a fool and the other guy who has been designing speakers for the last 40 years believes to be hearing differences (could be)

In the end, well who cares, if you hear no difference then be happy, makes stuff much easier, just go with the cheapest solution.

But what kind of amps does Mr. JTR use for testing, designing speakers and subs.
Behringer Inuke, alarm clock, Philips Wake-Up Light?
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Finally got a shipping confirmation from Jeff! I do not know what day it will show up yet, but that will be a day that I take off of work! biggrin.gif
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Finally got a shipping confirmation from Jeff! I do not know what day it will show up yet, but that will be a day that I take off of work! biggrin.gif

Awesome!!!

I am expecting my shipping confirmation yesterday or today (based on a conversation with Jeff last week)..nothing yet :-(
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Today I spoke to a designer he told me years ago at a client he could even tell which mixer was connected smile.gif
They swapped the 2 mixers over and over again and he got it right all the time smile.gif.

As I told before I managed to sell power amps to a speaker company because according to him he could hear a difference.
Or I was good in sales, I doubt, or hes a fool and the other guy who has been designing speakers for the last 40 years believes to be hearing differences (could be)

In the end, well who cares, if you hear no difference then be happy, makes stuff much easier, just go with the cheapest solution.

But what kind of amps does Mr. JTR use for testing, designing speakers and subs.
Behringer Inuke, alarm clock, Philips Wake-Up Light?

No ones saying there are no differences when pushed beyond their limits, but played within their limits and setup properly, they should sound at least very similar. The guys who hear big differences always talk big because they never have to prove themselves. Its easy to post I have golden ears on some thread on the internet but thats as far as it ever goes. But hey, its all good, everyone is entitles to their opinion even if its wrong hahahaha tongue.gif

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No ones saying there are no differences when pushed beyond their limits, but played within their limits and setup properly, they should sound at least very similar. The guys who hear big differences always talk big because they never have to prove themselves. Its easy to post I have golden ears on some thread on the internet but thats as far as it ever goes. But hey, its all good, everyone is entitles to their opinion even if its wrong hahahaha tongue.gif

I have golden ears rolleyes.gif and they have led me to a Sony AVR, go figure wink.gif

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Just talked to Jeff, my 228 LCR's are schedule to be done on or before 2/14.

Does he ship FedEx or UPS?

Hoping to get them by next weekend as I have a long weekend

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I have golden ears rolleyes.gif and they have led me to a Sony AVR, go figure wink.gif

My ears are brown turds, but I have me a a big motha amp because I want it, and it makes me smile. It's no different than having 3000 sf of sub displacement in a 2000 sf room like some on this thread smile.gif. And that's not to say there's anything at all wrong with that, but it's no more necessary than my big motha amp for my mains.

We do it because we can and so long as someone is not claiming some ridiculous snake oil reason for their personal overkill, it's all good. smile.gif

I enjoy this thread, and some similar on AVS, because I get a kick out of the extreme systems of the members. Sorry, t-amps driving speakers, even though it works, doesn't interest me so much. Overkill, I like that biggrin.gif.
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First impressions:
-Real bring you to your knees fear.
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Ok, best review so far on this thread. Haha

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Hey, that's technically a second impression.

But worth repeating smile.gif

Edit: I must be seeing double. I knew those Dead shows would eventually catch up to me...
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First impressions:
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-Pale skin.
-Taking a smoke break.

So you went to bed with a 10 and woke with a 2 ..I remember that from my college days.. That is what we are talking about right??? There is no shame in that...happened to all of us at some point in our lives tongue.gif
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No I don't... it was like 50 when it came out if I remember right. I say don't bother. You can watch the entire concert in HD on youtube (at least you could last I checked) and this new Blu-Ray is so much better than any concert disk I've ever seen/heard.... by a lot. Hmm you don't get Dyers Eve though, but that's on the Mexico disk.

So Carp, did you dig Through the Never?

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Gentlemen. We have lift off is an understatement...like -30 below reference understatement. This setup with dual shifters will put a grown man into a fetal position and make him suckle his thumb. I am looking over my shoulder as if I am the hunted. Seriously powerful.

I'll be in my dungeon for the rest of the day cool.gif

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Just talked to Jeff, my 228 LCR's are schedule to be done on or before 2/14.

Does he ship FedEx or UPS?

Hoping to get them by next weekend as I have a long weekend
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Gentlemen. We have lift off is an understatement...like -30 below reference understatement. This setup with dual shifters will put a grown man into a fetal position and make him suckle his thumb. I am looking over my shoulder as if I am the hunted. Seriously powerful.

I'll be in my dungeon for the rest of the day cool.gif
I'm with ya bro! I have the house to myself, I just picked up 5 new blu rays one of which is Metallica through the never. I am going to get horizontal and hit some sick levels. biggrin.gif
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-Just sitting on floor and still dynamic huge stage.

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And the award for review brevity goes toooo....

asoofi1!

Glad you like'm. It is a great speaker. There's simply no replacement for effortless dynamics. I assure you that the experience you're having will continue long after the newness wears off.

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Yea, the wives tend to really dig that kind of stuff...tongue.gif
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