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Old 02-09-2014, 03:47 PM
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Carp,

I still have the seats setup as you arranged them. There is a sweet spot, and JD, the guy who said he wanted this and pointed to my front soundstage was in it. That picture was a few months old. Everything is setup same way in the pic - except that the seats are slid 1/2 chair to the left (like you forced me to do).

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Carp, when I vIsited Archaea he said the lack of a sweet spot drive you crazy.

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LOL, I always sit in the middle of my coutch and it drives my old lady nuts. I HAVE to sit right in the middle. In fact, when I run audyssey, I leave the mic in the middle pos the entire time because screw everyone else! hahaha

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I've got everything dialed in on the 228HT system with the new Onkyo PR-SC5508 and Sherbourn 7-350 amp and while I'm not sure I can tell a difference from my former Onkyo TX-NR1007 AVR --- I can tell you this JTR speaker system is just SWEET! AVSforum member dmark01 introduced me to a track called Giorgio by Moroder by Daft Punk on his Legacy Whispers. I really liked the track. Check it out. I'm listening to it right now and love it. I also have been enjoying the Usher track Popalock introduced me to called Climax. Both sound superb on my setup!

I had a couple of guests over yesterday (a couple of craigslist/classified buyers), a guy, JD, was wanting to hear my Onkyo 1007 AVR before purchase and in the first couple minutes of listening he said - how much will you sell me this whole system for? I want this - as he gestured towards my front JTR soundstage! The other guy, Drew said, I've never heard JTR Speakers before but these are REALLY impressive!

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Carp,

I still have the seats setup as you arranged them. There is a sweet spot, and JD, the guy who said he wanted this and pointed to my front soundstage was in it. That picture was a few months old. Everything is setup same way in the pic - except that the seats are slid 1/2 chair to the left (like you forced me to do).



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AAAHHHHHHHH....

Still no sweet spot!! eek.gifwink.gif I'd be sitting on the arm rest.

You said the same thing about my row of 4 chairs and I think about how crazy it makes you every time I sit down.
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You said the same thing about my row of 4 chairs and I think about how crazy it makes you every time I sit down.


Ahh but but this will be corrected in the new room! smile.gif
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Hi All
I have also joined the JTR family.
I ordered the Captivator S2 3 days ago from Jeff.
I was debating between the OS and S2
I finally decided on the S2 because:
- Cap S2 has smaller footprint (OS was a beast, and not sure I needed that much output > 25Hz)
- Cap S2 is better looking than OS
- Cap S2 has dual drivers vs 1 in OS
- Cap S2 has more output < 20Hz
- Cap S2 has a removable grill ( so I can show it off...LOL)

This CAP S2 is replacing a 12 year old Velodyne HGS-18 that recently s**t the bed.

I hope the Cap S2 fits the bill, and proves to be an upgrade from the Velodyne.

I saw the picture of a Cap S2 with cherry veneer on it.
I LOVE THAT. I did not know that was an option.
I would like mine to have that finish. How do I see the other available finishes?
I need to email Jeff and tell him to add that to mine ASAP.

A question about the blue power cord. Does that come with the Cap S2 or purchased separately?
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Power cord comes with it.

The wood veneer is an additional cost option. I don't know how much extra he charges for the veneer, but give him a holler on it. It sure does look sharp! I'll bet it will add some delay to your order because the cabinet shop does it, and so you will have to allow for the increased production time, whereas otherwise Jeff may already have a black cabinet ready to ship out. Let him know ASAP if you want to switch. He can basically do any finish you are willing to pay for - including piano gloss black, or any color or wood veneer.

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Power cord comes with it.

The wood veneer is an additional cost option. I don't know how much extra he charges for the veneer, but give him a holler on it. It sure does look sharp! I'll bet it will add some delay to your order because the cabinet shop does it, and so you will have to allow for the increased production time, whereas otherwise Jeff may already have a black cabinet ready to ship out. Let him know ASAP if you want to switch. He can basically do any finish you are willing to pay for - including piano gloss black, or any color or wood veneer.
Thanks Archaea
I sent Jeff an email about the veneer finish.
I also told him to make sure it came with the 4000 watt amp vs 2400 watt some got with their S2's.
Was that a mistake on Jeff's part, or are their 2 amp options?

Thanks for confirming the power cord question.
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Thanks Archaea
I sent Jeff an email about the veneer finish.
I also told him to make sure it came with the 4000 watt amp vs 2400 watt some got with their S2's.
Was that a mistake on Jeff's part, or are their 2 amp options?

Thanks for confirming the power cord question.
There is only one option. He accidentally put the wrong amp in mine.

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This Friday I got the last set of my JTR order:

Surround - T8HT-LP - the design of the 8-lps is so clean, amazing!
Back - Slanted 8s
2x Captivator S1

in addition to what I got in the fall last year:

LR - Noesis 212HT
C - Noesis 228HT

I'm extremely impressed with the speakers, I've had the 212s for almost 6 months now and I'm very happy with my choice (originally I wanted to get Klipsch RF7-II or THX Ultra 2) - thanks everyone on this thread for all the discussions and obviously to Jeff for making great speakers! :-)

Now I have a couple of questions - when I run Audyssey (Denon 4520) it puts three speakers (FL, SL, SR) at -12 dB. Particularly the surround ones are too loud compared to the rest. I've read about using the attenuators, but that doesn't apply if I drive the speakers by the AVR, correct? How can I fix this?

Second, the dual S1s replaced a single Epik Phoenix (ported 18") and while I'm very happy with the performance in music, I'm a bit underwhelmed with movies. I've used Audyssey and run them 3 - 6 dB hot. A good example is Under Attack scene in Master & Commander - with the Epik I was literally afraid to hear the next cannon shot ;-) but with the S1s the effect is much less impressive. I haven't done any measurements yet (I currently only have RS SPL meter and REW), but is there something obvious I can be missing?

I have this same issue with my LCR T12s & my Denon 4311 - You can change your MV reference from 0 to say -5 or -10 and then using a audio test disc with pink noise (with audyssey on, DVol & DEQ off) and a spl meter measure and set the trim levels to 75dB with your MV set to whatever you want your the new reference point to be (I set my MV at -5 ). I use the Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark and Calibration Disc 2nd Edition for my test tones and a RS spl meter or sometimes I use REW spl meter and my UMIK-1 mic.

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My sub was delivered late August 2013.

The Speakpower amps are great! Last year the Sp1-2400 could be had for $1200.......a recent call to Speakerpower..........well those same amps are $2500 without DSP! Guess they don't want to deal with DIY crowd or protect their speaker manufacturing customers! Planned all along to use these plate amps in my upcoming project.....guess not.

Doublewing,

I exchanged some emails Friday night with the President of SpeakerPower after I had posted in the JTR thread how happy I was with my SP2-8000 rack amp (w/ quiet fan mod). I also mentioned in my post about not selling direct anymore, which is likely the main reason he contacted me. He let me know that they figured things out and will be offering sales to the public again although at slight price hikes (just like JTR and Seaton have done). So take a look at the order page and you will notice the price for the SP1-2400 went up to $1400. He also said Mark Seaton might be able to offer better prices, he wasn't sure.

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Doublewing,

I exchanged some emails Friday night with the President of SpeakerPower after I had posted in the JTR thread how happy I was with my SP2-8000 rack amp (w/ quiet fan mod). I also mentioned in my post about not selling direct anymore, which is likely the main reason he contacted me. He let me know that they figured things out and will be offering sales to the public again although at slight price hikes (just like JTR and Seaton have done). So take a look at the order page and you will notice the price for the SP1-2400 went up to $1400. He also said Mark Seaton might be able to offer better prices, he wasn't sure.

David

Thanks.......at that price I would have bitten! Oh well.............it's too late now, I have two Peavey ipr2 7500's coming so that ship has sailed. As soon as I find a home for my S2, I'll start building biggrin.gif

BTW, thanks for info......you might want to post in thread at DIY forum. Some might like the good news...........I had planned on using those plate amps and wired room accordingly.
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Thanks for the piece of mind Archaea. I don't think it was clipping at 25hz but I never looked at the clip lights at that point. That does make sense though.

I had more charts but I guess that I didn't save them. Here is the ULF clipping like crazy. It might be my sound card, but no matter what I did with the mini dsp, I could not get the ULF to go away unless I changed the HPF to 30hz. This is one of my first sweeps before I changed the settings. I wish I still had the other charts!



I think this measurement was taken at the sub. I had huge dips at certain fq's at the mlp.


No smoothing, Audyssey enabled.





No smoothing........
Dynamic volume, dynamic eq off, Audyssey disabled!
Measurements are taken from each front row seating! Huge difference!




Saving my pennies for Trinnov TEQ-12 which will change things........hopefully, will have unit in June.
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^^^ That is a really impressive chart! Where do you have your crossover set to and do you run a HPF or is that straight out of the box response?

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^^^ That is a really impressive chart! Where do you have your crossover set to and do you run a HPF or is that straight out of the box response?

Current crossover is set at 80 hz..............in first graph you can see phase issue which I had to play with to correct. My plan is to use multiples crossed over at a higher frequency.........using multiples lessens localization issues. With future Trinnov unit in source chain, I expect big changes.
On second graph, no filters whatsoever............just using DSP set by Jeff. As you can see, there is a huge null at 30 hz at front row due to room which XT32 interprets as sub roll off. Great extension if sub is allowed. For my room which is HUGE, I really need multiples!

One S2 is impressive, but I need more for smoothing across all seating............hence why I'm going in another direction.
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The IRP2 will put out close to the same power in each channel as the sp1-2400 and quite a bit more @ 2 ohms....... IMO, it isn't even a choice....

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The IRP2 will put out close to the same power in each channel as the sp1-2400 and quite a bit more @ 2 ohms....... IMO, it isn't even a choice....

Shrugs........

But the convenience to actually use my circuits for subs would have been nice! I have four 20 amp homeruns at each mid-line wall............oh well, instead of XLR cables, just running 10AWG.

But I do agree with you.........the Peavey's do put out the juice! wink.gif
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but you get 4 channels of 2100 watts @ 4 ohms for close to the same price on 1 amp with 2400 watts...... cool.gif

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but you get 4 channels of 2100 watts @ 4 ohms for close to the same price on 1 amp with 2400 watts...... cool.gif

Yup.......can't argue with that!

Now what to pair them up with.............that is the real question! biggrin.gif
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Ya, too bad about the UM18's.... Although When they come out, I'll bet they are great. I've got faith in Dayton, they make great drivers! I've used them a ton over the years and not once had an issue with any of them.

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Ya, too bad about the UM18's.... Although When they come out, I'll bet they are great. I've got faith in Dayton, they make great drivers! I've used them a ton over the years and not once had an issue with any of them.

Well..........if S2 doesn't sell, maybe adding 4 UXL's might do it. Gotta support the Canadian economy! wink.gif
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Hi All
I have also joined the JTR family.
I ordered the Captivator S2 3 days ago from Jeff.
I was debating between the OS and S2
I finally decided on the S2 because:
- Cap S2 has smaller footprint (OS was a beast, and not sure I needed that much output > 25Hz)
- Cap S2 is better looking than OS
- Cap S2 has dual drivers vs 1 in OS
- Cap S2 has more output < 20Hz
- Cap S2 has a removable grill ( so I can show it off...LOL)

This CAP S2 is replacing a 12 year old Velodyne HGS-18 that recently s**t the bed.

I hope the Cap S2 fits the bill, and proves to be an upgrade from the Velodyne.

I saw the picture of a Cap S2 with cherry veneer on it.
I LOVE THAT. I did not know that was an option.
I would like mine to have that finish. How do I see the other available finishes?
I need to email Jeff and tell him to add that to mine ASAP.

A question about the blue power cord. Does that come with the Cap S2 or purchased separately?

300 bucks for veneer, a steal for something the size of the S2. I had rosenut veneer.

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My sub was delivered late August 2013.

The Speakpower amps are great! Last year the Sp1-2400 could be had for $1200.......a recent call to Speakerpower..........well those same amps are $2500 without DSP! Guess they don't want to deal with DIY crowd or protect their speaker manufacturing customers! Planned all along to use these plate amps in my upcoming project.....guess not.

It's funny that you brought this up today as I just received an email from Brian at SpeakerPower saying that they are selling the amps to the public again. Prices are up on their website and you can order directly from them again. The prices have gone up but not really too much.

I seem to recall when I wanted to order the SP1-4000 it was $1299ea and now they are listed for $1499.
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Ya, too bad about the UM18's.... Although When they come out, I'll bet they are great. I've got faith in Dayton, they make great drivers! I've used them a ton over the years and not once had an issue with any of them.

What happened to the UM18's?

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Well..........if S2 doesn't sell, maybe adding 4 UXL's might do it. Gotta support the Canadian economy! wink.gif

I would love to pick up your S2. Convincing the wife is the issue. I can't justify the purchase to her right now. mad.gif

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The UM-18 release date was delayed from Jan, to Feb, and now to April due to a fault found in the product under stress testing.

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No smoothing, Audyssey enabled.





No smoothing........
Dynamic volume, dynamic eq off, Audyssey disabled!
Measurements are taken from each front row seating! Huge difference!




Saving my pennies for Trinnov TEQ-12 which will change things........hopefully, will have unit in June.
FYI,

Trinnov will launch a state of the art processor in september: the Altitude.
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Trinnov will launch a state of the art processor in september: the Altitude.

Are they referring to the price?
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