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post #16201 of 30257 Old 02-11-2014, 04:38 AM
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hey guys been reading bout jtr and his subs and was wanting to get one. my options right now are a svs pb ultra or a capacitor 2400. i like what im reading about both subs. im about 100 % ht guy what would be the better choice?
Realistically it's not an apples to apples comparison. The PB Ultra is a very nice subwoofer that does exceptionally well considering the Driver is only 13.5 inches. The Cap2400 with its 69lb 18" driver is just that much more capable. The Ultra has a Sledge/ Bash amp while the Cap has a Speakepower 2400wpc amp.
With the differences in the amp and driver the Ultra does not have a chance from the performance aspect. Jeff (JTR) can also sell his products with less profit margin so dollar to dollar the Cap comes out on top again.
There are some on this thread who have owned both so they may add something to the comparison.
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Archaea could answer this really well I bet, but countryWV is correct. I other words, the Captivator 2400 should smash the Ultra.
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Ok, sorry to go off topic and I am usually not a pessimistic kind of guy...but this might not be good.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/scary-1929-market-chart-gains-traction-2014-02-11?dist=beforebell
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Ya, seems like history repeats itself. I hope it goes back up because 2008 until recent has been hard on the economy!
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hey guys been reading bout jtr and his subs and was wanting to get one. my options right now are a svs pb ultra or a capacitor 2400. i like what im reading about both subs. im about 100 % ht guy what would be the better choice?

I use to own two of the PB13 Ultras with the previous generation Def Tech speakers. They are really nice subs but the Caps are just that much better. I had Jeff Meier over a couple of weeks ago and he said Jeff is the King of Subs. He said he's never had an issue integrating a JTR in to a system. Said he recommends them all the time. I haven't had a ton of time with my S2 but I can tell you without hesitation, get the JTR.
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Ok, sorry to go off topic and I am usually not a pessimistic kind of guy...but this might not be good.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/scary-1929-market-chart-gains-traction-2014-02-11?dist=beforebell
We have not hit rock bottom yet. It will get worse before it gets better. The ones who can do something about it are caught up in Pettiness while the ones who can't (middle class) pay the price.

It is as simple to see as 2+2=4 yet it still goes completely ignored overshadowed by social issues. Rome is burning while we are mesmerized by the flames.
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QE forever! What could possibly go wrong with boatloads of free government money?
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QE forever! What could possibly go wrong with boatloads of free government money?

As you know, QE is the money faucet...turn it off and the market goes KABOOOM!!!!...it might go KABOOOM all on its own as people realize the market gains over the last 5 years are largely artificial smile.gif
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As you know, QE is the money faucet...turn it off and the market goes KABOOOM!!!!...it might go KABOOOM all on its own as people realize the market gains over the last 5 years are largely artificial smile.gif

Yes, but the sheeple will believe the government and talking heads that it is free markets and businesses that are the cause, and more government control/intervention will ensue. For the good of the sheeple, of course. smile.gif

Having said that, political discourse is generally frowned upon around here since there is always someone with an entirely opposing viewpoint that will get feathers ruffled. biggrin.gif

So I'm going to get back to talking speakers. wink.gif

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It's no different than a wall behind me

Right, this is what I'm pointing out.

The reason I mention it, my non-dedicated HT is open to a kitchen space behind the LP, and I can hear a difference when LCR energy reflects off shipping boxes stacked on the normally empty countertop behind my seating.

I like the diffuse, multi-angular surfaces that make up the kitchen, but have learned the significance of returns off some surfaces can be detrimental spatially.

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hey guys been reading bout jtr and his subs and was wanting to get one. my options right now are a svs pb ultra or a capacitor 2400. i like what im reading about both subs. im about 100 % ht guy what would be the better choice?

Get the 2400. And if possible now, or later, get two to balance out the bass...once you hear/experience how two subs improve the movie watching experience, you'll never be able to live with just one. You will save good money if you buy both at the same time, with any discounts & shipping once.

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I reran Audyssey and measured 6 location points, per manual which I finally read last night. I'm guilty of trying to measure only one location, which is the MLP and thinking Audyssey should be able to figure it out and it won't make a difference...but it sounds so much better now to me. Huge improvement. So if you're just measuring like I did for one MLP, give it a try and see how it works for you...it does take longer, but worth it imo. Here's the measuring pattern I used since sr7008 manual didn't give a sequence order and just points for one MLP:
4 5 6
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(1 being MLP and I kept about 3 ft displacement between points)

Even though I set the shifters +1 on sub, Audyssey set it to -12dB and I just raised the levels on avr to my liking, which is +1dB.

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A minimum of 13 dB over reference? If I hadn't spent a lot of time on this thread I would tell you to run Audyssey again since you must have a bad cal run. But I know the bass heads love crazy hot bass, so I'll just say I'm glad you have it where you like it. That is all that matters. biggrin.gif

Edit: I'm curious, have you measured your room post cal?
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A minimum of 13 dB over reference? If I hadn't spent a lot of time on this thread I would tell you to run Audyssey again since you must have a bad cal run. But I know the bass heads love crazy hot bass, so I'll just say I'm glad you have it where you like it. That is all that matters. biggrin.gif

I know what you mean. I think after I put in some treatments and bass traps, I may not even have to run it that hot. Also, right now I have both shifters corner loaded, so still playing with placement and seeing what sounds/feels good. The entire house quakes nonetheless...bass out of the shifters is so clean, tight, and powerful, its scary.

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I know what you mean. I think after I put in some treatments and bass traps, I may not even have to run it that hot. Also, right now I have both shifters corner loaded, so still playing with placement and seeing what sounds/feels good. The entire house quakes nonetheless...bass out of the shifters is so clean, tight, and powerful, its scary.

PopaArchaeasSocket Austin is planning to come by today, so we're going to try to get some measurements.

Great plan. A lot of things could be happening with your FR that makes you feel like you need to raise it so high. Corner loading both subs may increase output, but may not give best FR. For instance, in my room I can only get away with corner loading one sub for best response across all seats. But every room is different, so there's no alternative to measurements.
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also, there could be some serious cancellation issues as well. Even I dont run my bass that hot! lol

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Haha...don't worry, I've pulled it back some. I was pushing it for a couple of scenes, but have it at +6dB over ref right now. But I saw WOW scene at prior setting of +12 over Audyssey's reference, and man, I thought house was collapsing.

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Also, just a few rules I accumulated along the way after many fruitless multiple sub optimization attempts.

A common mistake is to move the subs around trying to get a ruler flat pre-EQ response across your seating. In my experience it will only lead to frustration and at least one "bad" seat when you're done. Instead, the goal should be to optimize the FR for the EQ that will follow. Which means a goal of the same non - flat FR across all seats. The primary objective being eliminating nulls, even if that produces significant peaks. If the peaks are the same across all seats, EQ will smash them flat.

Bottom line is optimize for the EQ which works best on problems that are the same everywhere, and eliminate nulls that EQ can do nothing about.

It took me a fairly long time to figure that out, although when I write it, it seems so obvious. smile.gif
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Earlier, a couple guys mentioned Trinnov and Dirac. Anyone contemplating the new Emotiva pre/pro with Dirac?

http://shop.emotiva.com/products/xmc1

I realize that Trinnov > Audyssey, but how does Dirac compare?
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Hey dudes just wanted to give those that check this thread often a heads up. It has come time for me to part ways with my Triple12's, so they are over in the classifieds along with my triple8 center. I will link below after a short explanation.

I basically want to branch out and try some other forms of HT speakers that I have never heard. Namely some DIY horn designs using the coveted ae drivers, and some line source type speakers as well. Never during all my days have I ever heard a speaker better than the JTR's, and if I had the income to be able to keep them I would, but the funds from selling them will go towards wood, parts, drivers etc for the new DIY speakers. If after my journey through some other speakers leave my thirst unquenched, I plan fully to come right back to the JTR Noesis as I see that as a "No-holds-barred" design that will more than likely blow your socks off.

Rest assured that I will still be a huge proponent of the JTR brand and the T12's and T8's as well, it is just in my nature to constantly try new things and leave no stone unturned, I also pride myself in my own speaker designs and once I get these new mains built, my entire theater will be DIY speakers from front to back smile.gif THAT by itself is something I like to hang my hat on!!!! Check em out, and let me know if you guys are interested!!!

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432347/feeler-for-dual-jtr-triple12hts-and-single-triple8ht

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Haha, my how much money have spent since that little post there biggrin.gif At least I stuck to my plan! Got the line source, then the DIY SEOS12 horn design, and now with the Danley SH50's. It was a fun journey, but I am certainly glad it is over biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

Hey Fro, who is the lucky recipient of my/now your old T12's????

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It was a fun journey, but I am certainly glad it is over biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

Lol, let's save that for another future "blast from the past".

New, better, improved. All terms that I'm sure will result in a near future upgrade smile.gif.
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Lol, let's save that for another future "blast from the past".

New, better, improved. All terms that I'm sure will result in a near future upgrade smile.gif.

Once you have heard SH50s, there is really nowhere left to upgrade to, unless its a more powerful SH/JH design.Beast will testify.

If there is something better out there, please let me know!
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Haha, my how much money have spent since that little post there biggrin.gif At least I stuck to my plan! Got the line source, then the DIY SEOS12 horn design, and now with the Danley SH50's. It was a fun journey, but I am certainly glad it is over biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

Hey Fro, who is the lucky recipient of my/now your old T12's????

I sold them to Chris ("Selkec"). Since my new toys are now in da haus, we schedules to meet on Thursdat for the exchange. Like you, this should end my upgrades...for now...ok, we are both lying to ourselves biggrin.gif
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Once you have heard SH50s, there is really nowhere left to upgrade to, unless its a more powerful SH/JH design.Beast will testify.

If there is something better out there, please let me know!

That is exactly to what I was alluding. There is certainly room for improvement in the Danley designs for high end HT applications. Tom has indicated he is playing around with an HT optimized design.

Let's see who's looking to upgrade to the SH50HT with improved drivers and optimized for small(Danley small) rooms...smile.gif
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I have some other remote on/off solutions listed on my web site. http://www.speakerpower.net/documents.html
I'll tear down one of these and perhaps add it to the list. Good to hear it is working for you.

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They only have a 500 watt tungsten rating which suggests the relay contacts are not very robust. I'm not sure where a sub amp load falls on the resistive/tungsten scale, but until I know I'm leary. They're certainly inexpensive, but long term reliability is important to me.

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I like your idea better smile.gif

Here is what I ordered:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ZTWYXY/ref=oh_details_o07_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

They say they are rated for only 1625w, but what is my 15A outlet rated for??

I have one of these on each triax. I have run my system up to reference with the subs 6-8db hot and they didn't get hot or shut down.

I broke open one of these and had a look. 15A relay, heavy gauge wires. Beefier than I expected. Inrush to the amp is limited so I think these should be OK for HT applications
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Is there anyone that has the Noesis 212-LPs be interested in taking some off axis measurements for me? If so, please send me a PM. Thx!
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