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Audyssey has been on the entire time. After doing the 6-points of measurement w/Audyssey, it works really well. I think some are just doing just the one mlp measurement and moving on, which I did originally and dismissed Audyssey prematurely. Each room and person's taste is different, so even the 6-points may not appeal to some, but when I switch between it being on or off, the improvement is dramatic.

I understand what you mean by thicker on the house curve...the way things are in the room, I think I prefer the flat curve...and if desired, I'll just raise the bass at the sub. I will say it just keeps sounding better and better with each new step taken. After Austin came over to help get the initial measurements, I read some stuff on the minidsp site (I'm going to have to get something now to save the eq) and they suggested the same. I found a page which may be helpful to others who are also new to Minidsp...good place to start for bass management: http://www.minidsp.com/applications/home-theater-tuning/bass-management

You have XT32, right?

If so, run all 8 positions as that just gives Audyssey more data to work with ...

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Audyssey has been on the entire time. After doing the 6-points of measurement w/Audyssey, it works really well. I think some are just doing just the one mlp measurement and moving on, which I did originally and dismissed Audyssey prematurely. Each room and person's taste is different, so even the 6-points may not appeal to some, but when I switch between it being on or off, the improvement is dramatic.

I understand what you mean by thicker on the house curve...the way things are in the room, I think I prefer the flat curve...and if desired, I'll just raise the bass at the sub. I will say it just keeps sounding better and better with each new step taken. After Austin came over to help get the initial measurements, I read some stuff on the minidsp site (I'm going to have to get something now to save the eq) and they suggested the same. I found a page which may be helpful to others who are also new to Minidsp...good place to start for bass management: http://www.minidsp.com/applications/home-theater-tuning/bass-management
Have you tried Audyssey's Dynamic EQ? You might like it better than running the subwoofer trim hot. Here's what it does:

If you're listening at full Reference level, it does nothing. You are already playing the content back at the level it was recorded, so a "flat" curve is all that is needed to be accurate to the source. However, as you lower the MVC below full RL, our human hearing deficiencies start to come into play. Our ears become less sensitive to lower frequencies. Dynamic EQ compensates for these human hearing deficiencies by adding some increased output at lower frequencies, and the amount increases the lower in frequency you go. Audyssey doesn't publish the exact curve they use, (it's part of their "secret sauce"), but it is similar to the Fletcher-Munson curves:



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^ I agree with Craig, I leave DynamicEQ on for all HT use.

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Well my two Triple 8's left Chicago on Friday and have a ship date of today. But havnt had any updates since they left. Usually fedex does pretty good with that. I am hopeful still, they would be a nice B-day evening of calibration smile.gif

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Just talked to Jeff, he said he is just about finished and my speakers (228 LCR's) should ship tomorrow!! Since they are shipped FedEx I should get them Saturday!!!! So excited and perfect timing to get them for the weekend.

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Thats interesting because when I had Danley TH-SPUDS under my second row riser I found the LFE blast from behind far to apparent. It was another Forum member who visited for a demo who mentioned it to me and once the seed was planted, I tended to focus on it to the point where the near-field behind LP subs had to go. I also had dual JTR Captivators up front and they were my preferred sub choice due to my problem with the Danley's as a riser.

The Danleys (and Caps) were crossed at 80hz and so theoretically they should not be localizable, but the back of the front row seats took a pounding to the point were it was annoying or at least very distracting. I think some here like to be pummeled by bass so they might like the effect that I found to be less than ideal. Another taste thang I guess ... smile.gif

I use my miniDSP to cut my nearfield around 40Hz. It helps cutout annoyances such as voices and other things that sound unnatural coming from behind or under you. When done properly (i.e. - I don't reset my entire f*+@!ng miniDSP right before a GTG) I feel it really adds to the experience.

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I use my miniDSP to cut my nearfield around 40Hz. It helps cutout annoyances such as voices and other things that sound unnatural coming from behind or under you. When done properly (i.e. - I don't reset my entire f*+@!ng miniDSP right before a GTG) I feel it really adds to the experience.

My .02 with a small side of "excuse" for not being able to win Archaea over.

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It wasn't sound as much as pressure that would literally impact the back of the HT chairs from the tapped horns (and that was with the horn exits firing to the sides). They (the Danley's) were transmitting energy directly to the suspended floor behind the front row and that probably contributed to the strong sensation that the source was behind the seats. When watching an action movie with explosions or any big bass effects, I prefer the source of the sound to be based upon the visual que on the big screen.

I never had that issue when I had quad JL Fathoms with the F113's on the back wall and all of my other sub placements were front or side wall.

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You have XT32, right?

If so, run all 8 positions as that just gives Audyssey more data to work with ...

Yes, I purchased the sr7008 specifically for xt32. Definitely will be taking more measurements. Today I'm going to switch the room long ways and will take the full 8 positions.
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Lookin' right on there biggrin.gif minidsp 10x10 i assume?

I'm crossing my fingers that Austin forgets he let me borrow it wink.gif
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Have you tried Audyssey's Dynamic EQ? You might like it better than running the subwoofer trim hot. Here's what it does:

If you're listening at full Reference level, it does nothing. You are already playing the content back at the level it was recorded, so a "flat" curve is all that is needed to be accurate to the source. However, as you lower the MVC below full RL, our human hearing deficiencies start to come into play. Our ears become less sensitive to lower frequencies. Dynamic EQ compensates for these human hearing deficiencies by adding some increased output at lower frequencies, and the amount increases the lower in frequency you go. Audyssey doesn't publish the exact curve they use, (it's part of their "secret sauce"), but it is similar to the Fletcher-Munson curves:



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Yes, agree about Dynamic EQ and have been running it since calibrated XT32 properly. I noticed a difference here as well when playing below reference, but honestly, 0dB is lots of fun and anything less is uncivilized with this particular setup wink.gif

On a side note, the reference level offset is something anyone listening to music material may want to keep in mind to try:

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funny because when my speakers were lost in transit, they were in chicago!

They showed up in Troutdale OR today. Just east of portland. So I will see them tommorrow smile.gif
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Yes, agree about Dynamic EQ and have been running it since calibrated XT32 properly. I noticed a difference here as well when playing below reference, but honestly, 0dB is lots of fun and anything less is uncivilized with this particular setup wink.gif

On a side note, the reference level offset is something anyone listening to music material may want to keep in mind to try:







Humm, although I have seen the option I have never made adjustments to the RLO. Will be interested in others comments. cool.gif

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Have you tried Audyssey's Dynamic EQ? You might like it better than running the subwoofer trim hot. Here's what it does:

If you're listening at full Reference level, it does nothing. You are already playing the content back at the level it was recorded, so a "flat" curve is all that is needed to be accurate to the source. However, as you lower the MVC below full RL, our human hearing deficiencies start to come into play. Our ears become less sensitive to lower frequencies. Dynamic EQ compensates for these human hearing deficiencies by adding some increased output at lower frequencies, and the amount increases the lower in frequency you go. Audyssey doesn't publish the exact curve they use, (it's part of their "secret sauce"), but it is similar to the Fletcher-Munson curves:



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I noticed by seeing this picture again that the sp1-2400 has a second plug and the sp1-4000 does not. What is this plug for and why does the sp1-4000 not have one?

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I know I am not that close but if you find nothing closer and are willing to make the drive, I have a Noesis set-up in Cincinnati you would be welcome to listen to.

Thank you! I might have to visit my alma mater in Oxford in the spring and swing by afterwards. I would certainly appreciate it.
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I know a few guys that run off the XLS amps with great success. You'll be good to go. ( 2 x XLS 1500 and 4 x XLS 2500)

Thanks for the input. What amp would power what speakers in the setup you mentioned?
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I use my miniDSP to cut my nearfield around 40Hz. It helps cutout annoyances such as voices and other things that sound unnatural coming from behind or under you. When done properly (i.e. - I don't reset my entire f*+@!ng miniDSP right before a GTG) I feel it really adds to the experience.

My .02 with a small side of "excuse" for not being able to win Archaea over.

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You remind me of me. Always tinkering and can never leave well enough alone. I remember seeing your post of all your omni graphs of all your mini dsp settings the day before we left for DC and I was thinking that was a perfect setup of house curve options. Leave it to a tinkerer to f it all up, hahaha. biggrin.gif

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I noticed by seeing this picture again that the sp1-2400 has a second plug and the sp1-4000 does not. What is this plug for and why does the sp1-4000 not have one?
daisy chaining power, i'm guessing that a set of 2400s can be powered by 1 cord to the wall, but a set of 4000s cannot be, thats why jeff blocks it off.
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Thanks for the input. What amp would power what speakers in the setup you mentioned?

2 have 1500's powering Triple 8's and 2 have Noesis's with the 2500's. You'd have PLENTY of power running any JTR speaker off the xls 1500. More than enough.

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FWIW @RMK!, I'm a fervant adjuster of Audyssey RLO depending on content. I've settled on a "default" setting of 10dB for casual TV watching (plus Dyn Vol = Light ) and music listening sessions - mostly well recorded (I think?) multichannel DVD's and DTS CD's. On some material that I percieve a being recorded "hot" with a compressed dynamic range (eg. my son's collection of Skrillex downloads), I'll drop it to 15dB. Movies are, without exception at 0dB.

I have a smallish but growing collection of concert Blu-rays and I'm never sure of what's the most appropriate RLO to watch these at. Are concerts mastered at "cinema reference", in which case 0dB would be correct? Or are they mastered like music, which can be all over the map? By their nature, they have to be captured with a wide dynamic range to avoid any chance of clipping the inputs, but is compression applied during the mastering? I don't know. Generally, I've settled on 5dB for the concerts just as personal preference, but as I'm relatively new to this hobby I start to question the basis for that preference, if you get my drift. All a bit OCD I know!

So I too would be interested to know what others insights are and preferences for RLO, particularly for concert Blu-rays/DVD's.

I generally turn it off. A feature that needs that much attention is not worth it to me. I do occasionally use it for movies with the family, but that's it. Applying it to anything but soundtracks is well beyond my tolerance level.
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^ I agree with Craig, I leave DynamicEQ on for all HT use.

Just wondering, do you find that dynamic EQ makes the peaks too loud?

I'm a BIG fan of dynamic EQ for music. However, for movies I find the loud parts far too loud for my liking. I understand that dynamics are needed so things like gunshots can be much louder to make it sound more real, and I like my gunshots and explosions loud. But, I find it with dynamic EQ, the things that shouldn't be loud, like background music during an action scene, to be too loud to be "natural", and it makes me turn down the volume, but then I can't hear dialogues properly anymore. With dynamic EQ off, things are just right for me: Loud things like explosions are still loud, soft sounds are soft, and normal stuff sounds normal.
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Just wondering, do you find that dynamic EQ makes the peaks too loud?

I'm a BIG fan of dynamic EQ for music. However, for movies I find the loud parts far too loud for my liking. I understand that dynamics are needed so things like gunshots can be much louder to make it sound more real, and I like my gunshots and explosions loud. But, I find it with dynamic EQ, the things that shouldn't be loud, like background music during an action scene, to be too loud to be "natural", and it makes me turn down the volume, but then I can't hear dialogues properly anymore. With dynamic EQ off, things are just right for me: Loud things like explosions are still loud, soft sounds are soft, and normal stuff sounds normal.

Have you tried adjusting the Dyn EQ Ref Level offset?

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Have you tried adjusting the Dyn EQ Ref Level offset?

Yes, but I'm not quite sure what it does to peaks. I've compared it with music, and the biggest difference (by far) is the bass. 0dB has the most bass, and slightly more treble than -15dB. I've never A/B'ing it with a movie though. I'm not even sure what the offsets do. What difference should there be when comparing 0dB and -15dB?
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Just wondering, do you find that dynamic EQ makes the peaks too loud?

I'm a BIG fan of dynamic EQ for music. However, for movies I find the loud parts far too loud for my liking. I understand that dynamics are needed so things like gunshots can be much louder to make it sound more real, and I like my gunshots and explosions loud. But, I find it with dynamic EQ, the things that shouldn't be loud, like background music during an action scene, to be too loud to be "natural", and it makes me turn down the volume, but then I can't hear dialogues properly anymore. With dynamic EQ off, things are just right for me: Loud things like explosions are still loud, soft sounds are soft, and normal stuff sounds normal.

Many have reported DEQ boosting the surround speakers too much
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Many have reported DEQ boosting the surround speakers too much

IMO it boosts them way to much. I drop my surrounds 3 dB if I have DEQ on. Otherwise they over power.

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So in thinking about my center channel I will be ordering soon...I was going to go the Triple 8 LP since It would be lower profile below my tv and on top of my tv stand. But I could raise the brackets on my tv mount to make way for an HT enclosure and at that point just get the 228 Noesis. So it comes down to how much better is the 228 over the T8...My tv is at the perfect height of my liking (already on the higher side). But it would just require 2.25 inches more to fit the HT enclosure under the TV which is entirely necessary or else it would hang off the front of the TV stand. I know I remember Archaea mentioning once he thought the T8 was just a little harsher at loud volumes. But I can't remember any other on the top of my head. Any of you have AB Triple 8 and 228 comparisons?
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How low does f.Irene scene go in BHD? I played the scene atleast six times before tripping the breakers. I watched my subs during that scene and man my drivers go through a work out. In that scene it's more structural shakes. And I can feel like wind blowing through the hairs on my legs.. Lol. Don't know how to describe it. Hmm, and I don't know how much dbs my subs were hitting. But my MV was at -4 with a very mild HC on the subs. Still can't believe I trip the breakers. Well 3 subs out of the 4 each on dedicated 20 amp circuit.
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How low does f.Irene scene go in BHD? I played the scene atleast six times before tripping the breakers. I watched my subs during that scene and man my drivers go through a work out. In that scene it's more structural shakes. And I can feel like wind blowing through the hairs on my legs.. Lol. Don't know how to describe it. Hmm, and I don't know how much dbs my subs were hitting. But my MV was at -4 with a very mild HC on the subs. Still can't believe I trip the breakers. Well 3 subs out of the 4 on dedicated 20 amp circuit.

Ok, I got my answer in the sub section. I guess that scene goes down to 5 hz. All the rave about the F.Irene scene, I just had to try it out just to see what happens.. Lol.. Geeez! And I checked the HC settings in the Antimode 2.0. To my surprise the HC was disabled..
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