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If anyone else is like me and loves to tinker, here's a VERY cool dynamic eq function on Jriver that Desertdome just PM'd me about. If you have Jriver try it out!! This is really cool.



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So, go to Tools > Options > Audio and then scroll down to see what is above. Make sure you are using "Internal Volume" and Loudness is checked. Next, go over to the slider and the lower you slide the volume the more pronounced the dynamic eq is. So far I'm really liking it at 65% with my sub trim set to FLAT with the speakers and using the avr to raise and lower overall volume. That's just for ACDC though at this volume, I'm sure I'll tweak the slider depending on artist/volume/mood.


Sorry for the OT on the JTR thread, but... par for the course on this thread. smile.gif
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With all of the talk about subwoofer DSP I have a quick question. I currently have an iNuke 3000 powering two flat pack Dayton 15's. I am trying to decide between adding a MiniDSP 2x4 or selling the 3000 and picking up a iNuke with DSP(prbably the 6000 smile.gif ) Aside from a power increase if I go the 6000 route, which DSP would you prefer? Is there much difference? I have a HTPC so the computer part is a non-issue for me(for the MiniDSP). In comparing features they look very similar. This will be my first DSP so I'm not entirely sure what the key features really are. Your guidance would be much appreciated.

On a completely unrelated note. I see that the BMS spec for the 4528ND that is in my 228HT states it has a polyester diaphragm. Would it be possible to replace this with a different one? I'm thinking out loud here but perhaps one made from beryllium or aluminum? I'm having trouble finding options(and checking price).


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CD in 228 = 4547nd http://bmsspeakers.com/index.php?id=bms_4547nd
Horn is XR1064 http://www.eighteensound.com/img/simple/techdata_on.jpg
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What part of the midwest do you live in? If you are at all around KC - why haven't you hung out at our parties? smile.gif

I'm outside of Indianapolis, and I'd love to come check out some parties/GTGs.
Fwiw, I did follow along for a while during one of your GTG via the live feed webcam.

Although I'm not a JTR owner, I do enjoy this thread; it moves quickly, largely comprised of a solid group of savvy contributors, and most importantly, Jeff/JTR's offerings are high performance/high value.
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JBrown was kind enough to pull his horn/cd out and lets us know the model #s on the 228.

I still have not found out for sure if the S8s use the 4540nd which is in the T8 & T12.
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JBrown was kind enough to pull his horn/cd out and lets us know the model #s on the 228.

I still have not found out for sure if the S8s use the 4540nd which is in the T8 & T12.
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yup it's the same, I had mine ut at one point and it was the same as the upgraded 2011 CD that I put in my T12's.
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What is wrong with me (Probably alot of us on AVS suffer from this). I have spent the last week dialing in my new speakers. I had everything sounding good except for the new center. Never sounded just right...I messed with Audyssey...I messed with the crossover settings...messed with everything I could think of including putting a sound panel behind the speaker and calling Jeff for suggestions. Today I had an AHA moment and raised the speaker further up off the center stand and angled it up just a bit. VOILA, the results are dialed in for my tastes. Figured it probably was the new center has a 60* 60 dispersion pattern and the old T8 was more like 90 degrees. So instead of being happy and sitting back, my mind goes into OCD mode and says "whats next". No, I can't just enjoy the speakers...now I have to go find something else to obssess about. GOOD GRIEF!!!!!


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Enter Bstyle to once again toss that A-T screen idea out there biggrin.gif Muahhahaa

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Enter Bstyle to once again toss that A-T screen idea out there biggrin.gif Muahhahaa

My parole officer, therapist, priest and financial advisor all know what you are doing with that response. NONE of us like it!!!! biggrin.gifsmile.gif


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I spoke to Jeff at JTR earlier today to discuss some details for Rocky Mountain Audio Fest 2014 in Denver, CO. I mentioned to a couple guys here last year that it would be cool to have a an enthusiast hosted room at RMAF. So, I contacted both JRiver Media Center and JTR Speakers and I am coordinating a room for them. The room can't be reserved yet so this is still tentative until that happens.

Both companies are very excited and we have discussed a few ideas. One idea is to have a GTG one evening and maybe even have a live band performing with JTR speakers/subs.

Dlbeck's new theater, The Savoy, will have JTR speakers and subwoofers. It will have 15 channels that will all be controlled and EQ'd by JRiver. He has offered to help out at the JRiver/JTR room.
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CD in 228 = 4547nd http://bmsspeakers.com/index.php?id=bms_4547nd
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I was just going to ask why his CD was different then mine....lol smile.gif
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I know this isn't a Cap 2400 so sorry for the non-JTR sub talk but I do own 228HT's.. smile.gif

Just wanted to post a quick pic of one of the ported cabinets that I built for my room.



One down three left to build smile.gif
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I spoke to Jeff at JTR earlier today to discuss some details for Rocky Mountain Audio Fest 2014 in Denver, CO. I mentioned to a couple guys here last year that it would be cool to have a an enthusiast hosted room at RMAF. So, I contacted both JRiver Media Center and JTR Speakers and I am coordinating a room for them. The room can't be reserved yet so this is still tentative until that happens.

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Dlbeck's new theater, The Savoy, will have JTR speakers and subwoofers. It will have 15 channels that will all be controlled and EQ'd by JRiver. He has offered to help out at the JRiver/JTR room.


Yeah, I don't think I can miss this! smile.gif


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I know this isn't a Cap 2400 so sorry for the non-JTR sub talk but I do own 228HT's.. smile.gif

Just wanted to post a quick pic of one of the ported cabinets that I built for my room.



One down three left to build smile.gif


I saw this on the Marty thread. cool.gif

What drivers are you going to use?


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I know this isn't a Cap 2400 so sorry for the non-JTR sub talk but I do own 228HT's.. smile.gif

Just wanted to post a quick pic of one of the ported cabinets that I built for my room.



One down three left to build smile.gif

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I saw this on the Marty thread. cool.gif

What drivers are you going to use?

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This is the response curve I've got after tinkering all day. I think it's pretty good, but any suggestions?
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I had to come on and share...

I just had a multidimensional experience listening to music on the 212. I finally had a chance to get my higher quality source material loaded. Even though I moved everything in the room, I'm still using the eq saved in the minidsp from before, and it's the closest I can get to a flat curve for now...even though there will be variances of course. I have the LCR speakers just straight forward and about three feet apart from each other, and music has been playing in stereo. Yes, no toe in. I'm sitting in MLP about 15' away.

Listening to The Civil Wars "Poison & Wine" track and I could have sworn I knew where the singers and other musicians were sitting. It's the oddest and unusual thing to experience because I've never ever had that happen before. For instance, there were layers of sound planes...singer to the front, musicians left and right, and a few feet behind...There's usually the higher levels you hear for the vocals and then everything else mixed in as if just simply lower levels, but this time it felt dimensional as if I was sitting in the studio listening to them record and could separate elements in the space of the room. It made me sit up and stare suspiciously at the spot where someone should have been sitting just between the center and left speakers, strumming a guitar. Nothing has me more amazed and happily bewildered. smile.gif

Now back to your regularly scheduled programs....carry on.

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Finally I got my new cross-spectrum mic in the mail today and I also got a new sound card. I have played around a little bit with the mini dsp and REW and this is the results that I got. I decreased the ULF's as it was clipping my amp too much. I think that I am one of those people that does not like a flat curve. I love the 30hz to 45hz region the most!


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This is the response curve I've got after tinkering all day. I think it's pretty good, but any suggestions?
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This is the response curve I've got after tinkering all day. I think it's pretty good, but any suggestions?

Can you change your left vertical axis to 5db increments?

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I had to come on and share...

I just had a multidimensional experience listening to music on the 212. I finally had a chance to get my higher quality source material loaded. Even though I moved everything in the room, I'm still using the eq saved in the minidsp from before, and it's the closest I can get to a flat curve for now...even though there will be variances of course. I have the LCR speakers just straight forward and about three feet apart from each other, and music has been playing in stereo. Yes, no toe in. I'm sitting in MLP about 15' away.

Listening to The Civil Wars "Poison & Wine" track and I could have sworn I knew where the singers and other musicians were sitting. It's the oddest and unusual thing to experience because I've never ever had that happen before. For instance, there were layers of sound planes...singer to the front, musicians left and right, and a few feet behind...There's usually the higher levels you hear for the vocals and then everything else mixed in as if just simply lower levels, but this time it felt dimensional as if I was sitting in the studio listening to them record and could separate elements in the space of the room. It made me sit up and stare suspiciously at the spot where someone should have been sitting just between the center and left speakers, strumming a guitar. Nothing has me more amazed and happily bewildered. smile.gif.

That's The JTR Experience that owners refer to. No words do the experience justice. smile.gif
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Ok I am done calibrating my sub. This is my final and I have no need to mess with it anymore. After my kids woke up this morning I tested it out and it sounds fantastic on my go-to movies.

I had Audyssey on and DEQ and DV off. Before calibration, the ULF was really high. Higher than it is on my posted chart and even with it turned down some, my house and walls were flexing a little bit. There are some vibrations that I need to take care of such as the attic door behind my seats. Any Idea how to make that not vibrate?


edit because FOH made a good suggestion....

mic is at MLP sitting at 90 degrees from sub position almost at ear level.


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Ok I am done calibrating my sub. This is my final and I have no need to mess with it anymore. After my kids woke up this morning I tested it out and it sounds fantastic on my go-to movies.

I had Audyssey on and DEQ and DV off. Before calibration, the ULF was really high. Higher than it is on my posted chart and even with it turned down some, my house and walls were flexing a little bit. There are some vibrations that I need to take care of such as the attic door behind my seats. Any Idea how to make that not vibrate?

I've got a fuse box in my room that was having seizures. Walmart sells strips of thin padding with sticky on opposite side that you can cut to size, but I used some extra round pads I had left over for chair feet. It's a pack of multiple sizes and can be just placed on corners off door to close on inner jam area. $5.

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There are some vibrations that I need to take care of such as the attic door behind my seats. Any Idea how to make that not vibrate?

A variety of approaches, perhaps some type of neoprene gasketing/weather stripping tape.

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Can you change your left vertical axis to 5db increments?

+1

Also, check for the correct track. I've seen it throw up a false warning, but oftentimes it gets it right.

Typically, FR graphs are represented ~45dB-105dB, for subwoofer integration, horizontal limits 5hz or 10hz, up to 200hz on the high end.

Some degree of graph standardization allows for easier visual comparison relative to other's submitted measurements. And the individual submitting them often mentions smoothing applied, and mic position, ie., at the LP, close mic, etc.

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I spoke to Jeff at JTR earlier today to discuss some details for Rocky Mountain Audio Fest 2014 in Denver, CO. I mentioned to a couple guys here last year that it would be cool to have a an enthusiast hosted room at RMAF. So, I contacted both JRiver Media Center and JTR Speakers and I am coordinating a room for them. The room can't be reserved yet so this is still tentative until that happens.

Both companies are very excited and we have discussed a few ideas. One idea is to have a GTG one evening and maybe even have a live band performing with JTR speakers/subs.

Dlbeck's new theater, The Savoy, will have JTR speakers and subwoofers. It will have 15 channels that will all be controlled and EQ'd by JRiver. He has offered to help out at the JRiver/JTR room.

That sounds great. I've put it on my Calendar ... cool.gif


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