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You've got to be kidding me.......rolleyes.gif
Do you realize how smug that makes you sound? telling everyone how it should be and what the definition is?
So if you didn't have everything in your "magical" list that makes your theater proper and everyone else's without your qualifications, moot. I guess people with TV's in their own HT should just be called what?

RMK non-reference, compromised not worth having to do anything rooms?

Dude seriously......

I'm comfortable saying that in a "dedicated room" front projection is more than half of getting a Theater at home experience right. You simply cannot get the same experience from a flat screen.

So dude ... rolleyes.gif your hyperbole aside, it is apparent that we don't see eye to eye on many things and so how about we ignore each other for the sake of a more harmonious thread?smile.gif
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You have to remember that both the 228's and 212's were never designed to be run without subs. Everyone is recommending that you wait for subs because your budget kind of falls in between what you're really able to get. Although 4 grand is a good budget it kind of puts you in between a few options.

I don't think the 210RT's will sound better then either the 228 or 212's when they are run with subs. Jeff is building both the 210's and 215's to appeal to guys that want a full range speaker. I think he will even say that the full range speakers aren't going to sound better then the other speakers if they were being used with a good sub.

And I think your fears on DIY and basically you just being unsure of yourself, it really isn't that had to do and they can sound every bit as good as JTR subs.

I also think JTR speakers would hold they're value much better then Klipsch speakers. For one they very rarely come up for sale used and when they do they are usually snatched up pretty quickly. Its also interesting know now that most of the time the seller seems to be upgrading to a different JTR speaker, and I think that also says a lot about JTR speakers.

These are good points, and Carp, Archaea and others have chimed in with good suggestions too.

IMO you aren't going to be happy if you just get some 212's or 228's. You very quickly will realize you need a sub desperately to complete the package. Will the 210's get you there? Perhaps, but 35hz is still a little high for an 80% movie movie mix. The Rf 7ii's are great speakers, and they carry some good low end. I know you what you might be thinking though, "Hey 35hz on the Klipsch and 55-60hz on the 212's isn't that big of a difference right?" Wrong, it is a very very big difference.

My next point is we have some serious bassaholics around here, including yours truly. But after having a local member over the other night, he quickly stated that what I had was worlds more than anything close to the domestic movie listening he and his family were planning to do with his new sub build. All things considered, a passive cap, or a DIY ported can be done, and not entirely too expensively, and you will be happy at that point. No way you will be without a sub of any sort....

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These are good points, and Carp, Archaea and others have chimed in with good suggestions too.

IMO you aren't going to be happy if you just get some 212's or 228's. You very quickly will realize you need a sub desperately to complete the package. Will the 210's get you there? Perhaps, but 35hz is still a little high for an 80% movie movie mix. The Rf 7ii's are great speakers, and they carry some good low end. I know you what you might be thinking though, "Hey 35hz on the Klipsch and 55-60hz on the 212's isn't that big of a difference right?" Wrong, it is a very very big difference.

My next point is we have some serious bassaholics around here, including yours truly. But after having a local member over the other night, he quickly stated that what I had was worlds more than anything close to the domestic movie listening he and his family were planning to do with his new sub build. All things considered, a passive cap, or a DIY ported can be done, and not entirely too expensively, and you will be happy at that point. No way you will be without a sub of any sort....

Blasphemy!!!! Tell him the knitting club meets down the street and he can get the #$%^ out of your house right now!!!! tongue.gifsmile.gif
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I had no idea they were a Parasound dealer. I still need two more channels so I will call mike tomorrow to look into prices for an A21 or A23.
Yeah me neither, I also deal with AA and they are the only place I really knew that sold Parasound. Good to hear old AVS is a dealer. I gotta start working on a screen soon.
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These are good points, and Carp, Archaea and others have chimed in with good suggestions too.

IMO you aren't going to be happy if you just get some 212's or 228's. You very quickly will realize you need a sub desperately to complete the package. Will the 210's get you there? Perhaps, but 35hz is still a little high for an 80% movie movie mix. The Rf 7ii's are great speakers, and they carry some good low end. I know you what you might be thinking though, "Hey 35hz on the Klipsch and 55-60hz on the 212's isn't that big of a difference right?" Wrong, it is a very very big difference.

My next point is we have some serious bassaholics around here, including yours truly. But after having a local member over the other night, he quickly stated that what I had was worlds more than anything close to the domestic movie listening he and his family were planning to do with his new sub build. All things considered, a passive cap, or a DIY ported can be done, and not entirely too expensively, and you will be happy at that point. No way you will be without a sub of any sort....

Thanks to you....I have 6 - 18" subs in my room. Last year at this time, I thought three 15's were "overkill".. biggrin.gif
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Thanks to you....I have 6 - 18" subs in my room. Last year at this time, I thought three 15's were "overkill".. biggrin.gif

What are friends for right? Just trying to keep you at the bleeding edge of performance. Speaking of which, I have to thank you as well. These new changes were put into hyperdrive once I realized you were actually running more subs than I am currently (Well equal with the RE's and the closet sub), but anyways, thanks for giving me the motivation to crank through these boxes pretty quick smile.gif
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Haha, we were listening at about -3 to movie tracks, with my gratuitous house curve, so we weren't just screwin' around at -30 or anything.

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What are friends for right? Just trying to keep you at the bleeding edge of performance. Speaking of which, I have to thank you as well. These new changes were put into hyperdrive once I realized you were actually running more subs than I am currently (Well equal with the RE's and the closet sub), but anyways, thanks for giving me the motivation to crank through these boxes pretty quick smile.gif
Haha, we were listening at about -3 to movie tracks, with my gratuitous house curve, so we weren't just screwin' around at -30 or anything.

And if there really is a knitting club....I Want in! (I've never knit anything in my life.)

Glad I could help motivate you by making you feel "inferior" with your setup compared to mine...hahaha
(Subs only...your speakers are quite impressive...)
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When running "only" 4 18's instead of 8 ( or 12 wink.gif ).... or 6 in your case, all in I would never consider to be "inferior"

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Yeah me neither, I also deal with AA and they are the only place I really knew that sold Parasound. Good to hear old AVS is a dealer. I gotta start working on a screen soon.

Did you ever make a long term decision between the Danley's and the JTRs. I thought I remembered a post recently where you were going to make a decision on which set to go with. A win/win as both speakers have great reputation but just curious.

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These are good points, and Carp, Archaea and others have chimed in with good suggestions too.

IMO you aren't going to be happy if you just get some 212's or 228's. You very quickly will realize you need a sub desperately to complete the package. Will the 210's get you there? Perhaps, but 35hz is still a little high for an 80% movie movie mix. The Rf 7ii's are great speakers, and they carry some good low end. I know you what you might be thinking though, "Hey 35hz on the Klipsch and 55-60hz on the 212's isn't that big of a difference right?" Wrong, it is a very very big difference.

My next point is we have some serious bassaholics around here, including yours truly. But after having a local member over the other night, he quickly stated that what I had was worlds more than anything close to the domestic movie listening he and his family were planning to do with his new sub build. All things considered, a passive cap, or a DIY ported can be done, and not entirely too expensively, and you will be happy at that point. No way you will be without a sub of any sort....


Thanks for the good post.

I think you guys have got me misunderstood!

I never said I was unwilling to buy a sub, just that I'd probably unable to buy one for a while... given my starting budget, and given how expensive all the speakers are. The math just doesn't work.

So here's the thing:
1) I'm going to get speakers first... or I will just wait and try to increase my budget get speakers + a sub at once.

2) The speakers I am mainly interested in, and trying to decide between the 228's, or the 210's. With the 228's, I know for sure that I will need to buy stands, which adds to their cost.

3) Given the frequency ranges of the speakers... I believe I'd be happy/content for a few months with the 210T's without a sub, because their frequency is very similar to the RF-7iis, and I know how the RF-7iis sounded. 38hz is actually pretty good IMO from towers alone, and you can still get some pretty decent lows. Conversely, I also know also that I probably won't be happy even initially with the 228s without a sub.

4) Something I haven't mentioned yet is the veneer. If I opt to have a custom, furniture-grade veneer, this is going to set me back even farther. How good or bad is the stock JTR finish, and do you think that getting a veener is worth the added cost? These speakers will be going in a main living room, not a basement, or dedicated theater room!
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Thanks for the good post.

I think you guys have got me misunderstood!

I never said I was unwilling to buy a sub, just that I'd probably unable to buy one for a while... given my starting budget, and given how expensive all the speakers are. The math just doesn't work.

So here's the thing:
1) I'm going to get speakers first... or I will just wait and try to increase my budget get speakers + a sub at once.

2) The speakers I am mainly interested in, and trying to decide between the 228's, or the 210's. With the 228's, I know for sure that I will need to buy stands, which adds to their cost.

3) Given the frequency ranges of the speakers... I believe I'd be happy/content for a few months with the 210T's without a sub, because their frequency is very similar to the RF-7iis, and I know how the RF-7iis sounded. 38hz is actually pretty good IMO from towers alone, and you can still get some pretty decent lows. Conversely, I also know also that I probably won't be happy even initially with the 228s without a sub.

4) Something I haven't mentioned yet is the veneer. If I opt to have a custom, furniture-grade veneer, this is going to set me back even farther. How good or bad is the stock JTR finish, and do you think that getting a veener is worth the added cost? These speakers will be going in a main living room, not a basement, or dedicated theater room!
Veneer is certainly your call. The JTR's come standard with their flat black finish. I actually like it. I think in any dedicated theater, the Noesis look bold and could fit into just about any theater style or theme, just maybe not the wife living room though. One thing to remember is that it will take awhile to get your speakers when you order them. So you will be looking from anywhere from 1 to maybe 2 months for your speakers, so that gives you some time to make up your mind on a sub or subs. But you want to make sure that you get a decent sub that will pair well with the Noesis. Certainly want a sub that will keep up.
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I'm comfortable saying that in a "dedicated room" front projection is more than half of getting a Theater at home experience right. You simply cannot get the same experience from a flat screen.

So dude ... rolleyes.gif your hyperbole aside, it is apparent that we don't see eye to eye on many things and so how about we ignore each other for the sake of a more harmonious thread?smile.gif

My first experience in a dedicated room was Sunday at the redone magnolia/best buy in torrance ca. which they claim costs $750K to build. Also my first expience with a large projection set up. They were playing the tron legacy motor cycle part of the movie and the video was stunning. I bought the movie took it home and watched it at home on my 70" flat screen and there was no comparison, large projection is WAY better then my flat screen. The audio was good but frankly did not impress me, the video experience was out of this world.  My room is multi-purpose, a projection set up like this will not work. I have seen what I'm missing, does this mean I'm taking sides?


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Veneer is certainly your call. The JTR's come standard with their flat black finish. I actually like it. I think in any dedicated theater, the Noesis look bold and could fit into just about any theater style or theme, just maybe not the wife living room though. One thing to remember is that it will take awhile to get your speakers when you order them. So you will be looking from anywhere from 1 to maybe 2 months for your speakers, so that gives you some time to make up your mind on a sub or subs. But you want to make sure that you get a decent sub that will pair well with the Noesis. Certainly want a sub that will keep up.

About the stock finish: Can anyone provide some up-close photos (or links to said photos) of JTRs with the stock finish? Honestly, how would this look in a regular living room.... acceptable, cool, or just plain tacky?
If I can live with the stock finish, it makes JTRs WAY more affordable for me. biggrin.gif

Regarding the durability of that finish.... is it highly durable? Does it show scratches, fingerprints, scuffs, etc.? (I'm highly careful with things in general, though)

Secondly....To be clear, I do plan on ordering JTR sub(s) to match the speakers. I guess I need to pick out what sub I want! I was thinking about a Capitvator 2400, since that seems to be kind of a JTR "Sweet spot" among the subs? I don't want anything without enough punch, but I don't want anything overpowered taht can actually damage my house (i.e., Orbit Shifter). I want good, clean, bass, that packs a good clean punch to the chest.... and adds to the HT experience, rather than dominating it, or detracting from it.: cool.gif

Having said that... I've never heard a a world-class HT sub, so I'm not sure what I'm missing yet. eek.gif
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Hmmm......I think it's about that time again....time to buy either:

A second Cap 2400

or

2 s8s for surround duty to replace my JBLs


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build / buy some room treatments.....because I don't have any.........because I don't know what to buy. lol.

As far as your budget of 4000.00 landmonster.....A good sub can make up for mediocre speakers. So, if I was you, I would probably buy the sub first and save for the LCR......If you are going to wait on a sub and get an awesome LCR now, you can't go wrong with the 228s imo.

Buying a 228 or 210 LCR and trying to justify being dissatisfied with the sound (because they aren't full range) may not be the best bet.

Also...what part of Funky Town are you in sir?


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I guess people with TV's in their own HT should just be called what?

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About the stock finish: Can anyone provide some up-close photos (or links to said photos) of JTRs with the stock finish? Honestly, how would this look in a regular living room.... acceptable, cool, or just plain tacky?
If I can live with the stock finish, it makes JTRs WAY more affordable for me. biggrin.gif

Regarding the durability of that finish.... is it highly durable? Does it show scratches, fingerprints, scuffs, etc.? (I'm highly careful with things in general, though)

Secondly....To be clear, I do plan on ordering JTR sub(s) to match the speakers. I guess I need to pick out what sub I want! I was thinking about a Capitvator 2400, since that seems to be kind of a JTR "Sweet spot" among the subs? I don't want anything without enough punch, but I don't want anything overpowered taht can actually damage my house (i.e., Orbit Shifter). I want good, clean, bass, that packs a good clean punch to the chest.... and adds to the HT experience, rather than dominating it, or detracting from it.: cool.gif

Having said that... I've never heard a a world-class HT sub, so I'm not sure what I'm missing yet. eek.gif


The wife will probably not be accepting of stock JTR speakers in a living room...Flat Black, with texture...Like a powder coat almost. My wife hates the way they look / loves the sound. It's not tacky....just not pretty.

The finish is VERY durable. Reminds me of rhino liner (probably not as durable). Scuffs wipe off.

I have a cap 2400....It's got enough punch to pressurize my HT, make the double doors bounce around, and shake the hell out of the room in general. It CAN absolutely damage your house.....lol. It is a very clean sub though. The sound / feel (yes you can feel it) is unlike anything you have felt before.

The noesis 228s make my HT memorable. The cap 2400 makes it legendary. Which is why I'm buying a second.

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Let's call a spade, a spade. I would call it a "wannabe HT". I should know, I have one. A killer sound system simply cannot make up for the lack of a large format screen and projector.

It's analogous to satellite speakers without subs. It's going to be a seriously compromised experience no matter how good the speakers.

Of course that's just my opinion and everyone who disagrees is free to be overly satisfied with whatever they have. biggrin.gif
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Thanks for the good post.

I think you guys have got me misunderstood!

I never said I was unwilling to buy a sub, just that I'd probably unable to buy one for a while... given my starting budget, and given how expensive all the speakers are. The math just doesn't work.

So here's the thing:
1) I'm going to get speakers first... or I will just wait and try to increase my budget get speakers + a sub at once.

2) The speakers I am mainly interested in, and trying to decide between the 228's, or the 210's. With the 228's, I know for sure that I will need to buy stands, which adds to their cost.

3) Given the frequency ranges of the speakers... I believe I'd be happy/content for a few months with the 210T's without a sub, because their frequency is very similar to the RF-7iis, and I know how the RF-7iis sounded. 38hz is actually pretty good IMO from towers alone, and you can still get some pretty decent lows. Conversely, I also know also that I probably won't be happy even initially with the 228s without a sub.

4) Something I haven't mentioned yet is the veneer. If I opt to have a custom, furniture-grade veneer, this is going to set me back even farther. How good or bad is the stock JTR finish, and do you think that getting a veener is worth the added cost? These speakers will be going in a main living room, not a basement, or dedicated theater room!

What about going with a passive Cap 2400 and a pair of 228's? $1700 for a passive Cap 2400 and grab an iNuke 3000DSP for $300. And stretch your budget a little to get a pair of 228's.

What are you currently using for speakers now?
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^ this post is true true true.


L0nestar. I've had some opportunties to sell my pair of ported caps over the years. I've turned each opportuntity down after thinkig them through. They are just too good of subs in my opinion to let go.

I've heard some pretty darn impressive systems, and I don't think my pair of caps give up much of anything against the best of anything I've heard. They've got all the headroom I can use, and even since purchasing them in 2011, they still make me smile and satifisy me in the bass dept every time I listen to them. I'm doing a little wandering off the reservation to play with four sealed subs soon, but they aren't to replace the caps, just to compliment them and play with. I don't think I would be satisified with outright replacing the caps. I made the decsion to not sell the caps and buy four LMS-5400's, or not sell the caps and buy the JTR 215, but instead keep the ported caps and buy four of the Ultimax 18's to put in my four sealed enclosures. I plan to either use the ultimax 18's directly behind my four home theater chairs as nearfield subs and keep the ported caps up front, or to put the four sealed subs around the room - one each midwall to balance out frequency response anywhere in the room - harmon kardon white paper style.

I just love the ported caps, I love their sound, their loafing command of material to reference level volumes, and their ability to produce copious/surprising/smile inducing levels of air movement at my seating position from the ports. I love the fact that they are portable, (and my pro version have handles for easy grab and go to the park meet, or to take to a quick g2g -- at 120lbs each - they are light enough I can move them myself) If there is a single subwoofer for me, in all that I've auditioned, it's the ported captivator!

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The noesis 228s make my HT memorable. The cap 2400 makes it legendary. Which is why I'm buying a second.

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Thanks for the good post.

I think you guys have got me misunderstood!

I never said I was unwilling to buy a sub, just that I'd probably unable to buy one for a while... given my starting budget, and given how expensive all the speakers are. The math just doesn't work.

So here's the thing:
1) I'm going to get speakers first... or I will just wait and try to increase my budget get speakers + a sub at once.

2) The speakers I am mainly interested in, and trying to decide between the 228's, or the 210's. With the 228's, I know for sure that I will need to buy stands, which adds to their cost.

3) Given the frequency ranges of the speakers... I believe I'd be happy/content for a few months with the 210T's without a sub, because their frequency is very similar to the RF-7iis, and I know how the RF-7iis sounded. 38hz is actually pretty good IMO from towers alone, and you can still get some pretty decent lows. Conversely, I also know also that I probably won't be happy even initially with the 228s without a sub.

4) Something I haven't mentioned yet is the veneer. If I opt to have a custom, furniture-grade veneer, this is going to set me back even farther. How good or bad is the stock JTR finish, and do you think that getting a veener is worth the added cost? These speakers will be going in a main living room, not a basement, or dedicated theater room!

IMHO I think you will be doing great if you purchase the 210's and then save for 6 - 12 months and get yourself a cap 2400 along with a center channel perhaps a single 8. Finally, when you have saved some more get yourself some surrounds (S8's?). I currently have the T12s for LCR in my den/TV room with the standard black finish and they look fine (my wife is OK with them as well).

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I'm comfortable saying that in a "dedicated room" front projection is more than half of getting a Theater at home experience right. You simply cannot get the same experience from a flat screen

I actually had the same argument in one of the HT's of the month threads. I completely agree with you on this but this is all I am going to say about it because it was a HUGE deal in the other thread.
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^ this post is true true true.


L0nestar. I've had some opportunties to sell my pair of ported caps over the years. I've turned each opportuntity down after thinkig them through. They are just too good of subs in my opinion to let go.

I've heard some pretty darn impressive systems, and I don't think my pair of caps give up much of anything against the best of anything I've heard. They've got all the headroom I can use, and even since purchasing them in 2011, they still make me smile and satifisy me in the bass dept every time I listen to them.

That's the way I want to feel about my next system
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The wife will probably not be accepting of stock JTR speakers in a living room...Flat Black, with texture...Like a powder coat almost. My wife hates the way they look / loves the sound. It's not tacky....just not pretty.

Very true. My wife is not very accepting, but there they sit nonetheless. biggrin.gif

I admit though, it does take a spouse willing to take one for the team...
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After a quick vetting (lunch) I wouldnt mind demoing them landmonster.

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IMHO I think you will be doing great if you purchase the 210's and then save for 6 - 12 months and get yourself a cap 2400 along with a center channel perhaps a single 8. Finally, when you have saved some more get yourself some surrounds (S8's?). I currently have the T12s for LCR in my den/TV room with the standard black finish and they look fine (my wife is OK with them as well).


Do we know if the 210Ts will have any new technological or driver improvements over the 228s or 212s?
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I actually had the same argument in one of the HT's of the month threads. I completely agree with you on this but this is all I am going to say about it because it was a HUGE deal in the other thread.

The irony of this is that when I was first building my room and started the build Thread I got some flack from folks who's definition of Home Theater was much narrower than mine. It was suggested that I take my little project to another Thread (General Home Theater and Media Room Thread AFAIR).

I remember being amused by these self appointed members of the of the HT standards committee and now here I am being accused of same ... tongue.gif.

Goes around come around I guess. smile.gif

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Do we know if the 210Ts will have any new technological or driver improvements over the 228s or 212s?

Only the Compression driver is the same. Horn, Xover and woofers are new ...

As for any improvements, that is TBD ... smile.gif

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The irony of this is that when I was first building my room and started the build Thread I got some flack from folks who's definition of Home Theater was much narrower than mine. It was suggested that I take my little project to another Thread (General Home Theater and Media Room Thread AFAIR).

I remember being amused by these self appointed members of the of the HT standards committee and now here I am being accused of same ... tongue.gif.

Goes around come around I guess. smile.gif

One particular person was trying to say that any surround sound with any viewing device is a home theater in any type of room rather it be a living room or dedicated theater. So I asked him if I had four theaters in my house because of all the rooms with tv's and surround sound. I don't remember his answer but you see what I am getting at. I kept saying that those were living room setups and he never got the point. Before I had a theater I posted my living room setup in the " living room setup" forum where I thought was the appropriate place for it because after all, that is what it is.


By no means do I want to sound snooty because I am not. I am just expressing my definition of a home theater.
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