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post #16741 of 22806 Old 02-25-2014, 02:53 PM
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I watch movies 90% of the time and I thought the same on the Ascend towers while reading on their forum. Most ppl who have the towers are avid music listeners and I think if that was my main concern I also would not be here asking the questions about JTR. I like heart pounding and nerve racking movie watching experience. The louder and cleaner it is the more I like it. LOL

On a side note could you post some graphs on your DIY subs in your thread?

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I'm still waiting for my drivers so I don't have any actual measurements in my thread. But if you go to the first post I have a graph of what the output of just one of my cabinets will be when used with a UXL-18 and powered by one channel of a iNuke 6000 amp.

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I really don't know which line would out perform the other, as both lines would be easy to drive with the ascend at 92dbs sens in room and JTR at 98 dbs sens. But I suspect the JTR's would be capable of higher output seeing as they could handle more amplification.

So with that said I think this is the direction I will go. I'll order the 228HT's for l/c/r and a pair of single 8's but start looking for upgrading subs. Either Cap 2400 or DIY route. If I find I need more I'll add another set of 8's for 7.2. I think this will be a great start to see if I want to pursue a full 11.2 set up.

I do love my current setup but have always wondered if it could be more. What started me looking at the JTR line was RMK's build thread. At one point he had thought he found his cure for the perfect experience in listening according to his room and that happened to be with the OS and I think it was the 212's. After reading how much time money and effort he had spent to find this experience I thought wow that is what I want but without spending the money he did to find that experience. LOL So I thought I would skip ahead a few thousands of dollars and go straight to the JTR line. Thanks for the help.

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I am LOVING the look of the 210RT... I wonder how a pair of them would sound combined with a 228HT as a center for front stage... I could always move my Front L & R 228HTs for surround duty.... eek.gif Nooooo I do not wonder this... Musssttt... look away.....mad.gif

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Here's another photo of just the 210RT & 215RT towers.

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I am LOVING the look of the 210RT... I wonder how a pair of them would sound combined with a 228HT as a center for front stage... I could always move my Front L & R 228HTs for surround duty.... eek.gif Nooooo I do not wonder this... Musssttt... look away.....mad.gif

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I just wonder if the 210s will sound any better than the 228s, when they are matched with an equal sub. Looks are a poor reason to buy a speaker!
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the 210rts look pretty nice! the 215rts are a bit too big for me hah, i've owned av123 ls6 speakers, and they looked nowhere as gargantuan.
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I just wonder if the 210s will sound any better than the 228s, when they are matched with an equal sub. Looks are a poor reason to buy a speaker!

I would think the 210RT would sound like the 212 as I believe they both use the some compression driver, the 228 only uses a 1" CD.

So if your question was "will the 210 sound any better then the 212, when paired with equal sub" I'd have to say no, not likely.
Of course with that said many that have heard both the 228's and 212's have said for movie use they are very hard to tell them apart.

The 212 separates itself from the 228 when listening to music, but all things considered it should. The 212 uses a compression driver that costs $700, and the 228 uses one that costs around $200.

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Here's another photo of just the 210RT & 215RT towers.

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215RT looks like a beast. In for 5 biggrin.gif

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the 210rts look pretty nice! the 215rts are a bit too big for me hah, i've owned av123 ls6 speakers, and they looked nowhere as gargantuan.

Behind an AT screen, they'll all look the same smile.gif. The 215RT is definitely an imposing speaker.

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Looking at that picture of the 215RT & 210RT, I was just think how bad a$$ would a LCR setup of a 215HT be!....lol
Like a sealed version of the 212HT's but with the 15's and molded horn.

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Those 210's looks like it could get away with just a reciever. But the beastly 215's seems friggin hungry for separate power..
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I am LOVING the look of the 210RT... I wonder how a pair of them would sound combined with a 228HT as a center for front stage... I could always move my Front L & R 228HTs for surround duty.... eek.gif Nooooo I do not wonder this... Musssttt... look away.....mad.gif

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the 210rts look pretty nice! the 215rts are a bit too big for me hah, i've owned av123 ls6 speakers, and they looked nowhere as gargantuan.

Agreed. At that size they look like a novelty piece and with a (IIRC) 24" depth I'd venture to say that there are "more than a few" AT screen owners that will not have the space to accommodate them...

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Those 210's looks like it could get away with just a reciever. But the beastly 215's seems friggin hungry for separate power..

While I completely agree the 215's would need external amplification to maximize output, the 215 is still a relatively high sensitivity design (was it 97db?) and I'd bet a $5er that a 4ohm stable AVR would be able to push them to reference (full range) in damn near any room at the MLP... Might be a bit more challenging if running a house curve boosting the low end, but you guys get my drift...

That said, I can't imagine any potential 215 owner NOT going for some serious external amplification. Maybe N8 could get us some max output sweeps of the 215's on AVR power vs FP14K power.

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I am LOVING the look of the 210RT... I wonder how a pair of them would sound combined with a 228HT as a center for front stage... I could always move my Front L & R 228HTs for surround duty.... eek.gif Nooooo I do not wonder this... Musssttt... look away.....mad.gif

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Holy crap the 215 is friggin bigfoot and looks great. That shot puts in perspective even more. If you look at the compression driver its like looking into the eye of the storm. Probably should never make direct eye contact, it might attack!!!! The 215 would probably never fit in my room...in many rooms. The 210 looks good as well. I like how Jeff is building the waveguide into the speaker as if it is all one solid, coherent unit. He should build a matching 228 sized center with the same compression drivers as the 212/215/210..Oh wait,what??? smile.gif

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Both the new speakers definitely have the JTR signature look. No mistaking who makes them.

Do we know pricing?
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215RT looks like a beast. In for 5 biggrin.gif
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Behind an AT screen, they'll all look the same smile.gif. The 215RT is definitely an imposing speaker.

Yeah, I had to move my screen out a few inches to accommodate. That woofer isn't the final one, they are due in next week. Unusual looking with the flat dust cap and small surround ... confused.gif

Looks like a good match for the FP10000q, no? smile.gif
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Both the new speakers definitely have the JTR signature look. No mistaking who makes them.

Do we know pricing?

Should be posted soon. smile.gif

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Looks like a good match for the FP10000q, no? smile.gif

No doubt. Great choice. The LG is a fantastic amp and ends the upgrade dilemma. Quality and serious power. What's not to like? smile.gif

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I can do a sweep with my D-sonic vs the crest 7.5 when I get the speakers. My crest showed up yesterday but I missed it, have to pick it up today. Too bad it will still be a few weeks to try out the crest since my 80.3 is in for repair.

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I can do a sweep with my D-sonic vs the crest 7.5 when I get the speakers. My crest showed up yesterday but I missed it, have to pick it up today. Too bad it will still be a few weeks to try out the crest since my 80.3 is in for repair.

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Anyone on here having thoughts of trading out of your 212's up to the 215's ??? I think the 215's are beautiful, I actually kinda like the dust caps pictured, be cool if they were getting them. I am willing to bet the 215's have sledgehammer bass!! I cannot wait to her them. If they are accurate, they are going to be incredible. One part of me thinks that the Noesis 212's/228's are still going to be a better pick for home theater. Will be interesting to get some real user feedback from them.
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Anyone on here having thoughts of trading out of your 212's up to the 215's ??? I think the 215's are beautiful, I actually kinda like the dust caps pictured, be cool if they were getting them. I am willing to bet the 215's have sledgehammer bass!! I cannot wait to her them. If they are accurate, they are going to be incredible. One part of me thinks that the Noesis 212's/228's are still going to be a better pick for home theater. Will be interesting to get some real user feedback from them.

Reef I think you should be the first to have Jeff make him a 215HT version similar to the 212HT's!...lol

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I would be very interested in a 215HT.....until the 218HT is made. smile.gif
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Somebody has to ask Jeff to make them a custom 215HT. Maybe a sealed 215HT-LP version so its not 24" deep. smile.gif

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Here's another photo of just the 210RT & 215RT towers.

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Jeff's words from Facebook on the 15" drivers from the picture: "The 15" drivers are NOT production and only installed for the photo."

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Jeff's words from Facebook on the 15" drivers from the picture: "The 15" drivers are NOT production and only installed for the photo."

Stunt doubles?

BTW the 215RT are not 24" deep. They are only 22.5". The specs are:
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Novelty piece my A$$ ... IMO, they are perfect for an average sized living room or small HT install.

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Somebody has to ask Jeff to make them a custom 215HT. Maybe a sealed 215HT-LP version so its not 24" deep. smile.gif

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The 215RT is the HT version. There is no free lunch ... to get the LF extension the cabinet is necessarily large. It is what it is.

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215RT is a great size and will fit exactly as an OS LFU would fit behind an AT...where the shifter lfu is also 22.5"...yes, I just double checked wink.gif Granted, a couple of inches may be needed for any toe in...but under 25" depth false wall is all that's needed.

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