Originally Posted by Swolephile
Originally Posted by carp
Still... I'd love to do a blind A/B switch level matched for you guys at reference volume and watch you squirm as you go back and forth slowly coming to the realization that there is no way that you are going to be able to tell which is the avr and which is the amp. I've been there.
Running seven Unities on a AVR vs. multiple high watt external amps is painfully obvious.
You are officially invited to the next amp blind testing in KC. (we need a redux of our first attempt - compliments of Audyssey engaging after a power cycle foiling our meet's attempt) Or if that's too far - I think Gorilla83 plans to do a meet of the same kind in the future on the east coast.
The Yorkville Unity line is also exceptionally sensitive and I'd expect no detectable difference.
Which amp and which AVR did you compare?
I suspect 1 of 3 things. Either your AVR wasn't matched to the impedance load properly, your AVR had a shortcoming of some sort, or you are listening at well above reference volumes to make a claim like this. There are multiple enthusiasts who have powered their hyper sensitive speakers off an AVR and compared to amps and come away shaking their heads at any kind of typical listening volumes up to reference. MKTheater, popalock (Denon AVR vs. Clone), n8dogg, and the KC crew (quite a few different AVRs and amps compared), including carp and I, being some seasoned folk who have played around with amp vs. avr and found no audible differences at typical (less than reference) listening volumes with high quality sensitive speakers.
this horse just keeps getting beat... and beat... and beat...
I should just not respond, because I'm surely not going to change anyone's opinion until they experience it themselves --- so what's the point.
Only that a sweeping statement like it's painfully obvious to see the difference between a competent AVR and a quality amp violates real world realtime testing with quick switching ability that some of us have participated in and relies instead of audio memory, which is often notoriously poor.
Oh and DD you are invited too! Gooddoc as well, and also Mr Brown.