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post #16981 of 30452 Old 03-04-2014, 05:43 PM
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Is that 16:9 or 2.35:1 screen? Is 120" diagonal? The CEDIA recommendation is 43 degrees which is basically 3x screen height for a 2.35 screen. I think THX is a little further back.

I have a 12.5" wide room with a 126" diagonal 16:9 screen. I usually sit around 11' from the screen. I love the immersion.
I don't think the issue he is addressing is corner loading the subs. The issue is an acoustics one (which Bryan specialized in) because too large of a screen and the subs by the corners prevents one from putting bass traps floor to ceiling in the wall corners. Using floor to ceiling bass traps is the best treatment I've done in my room and greatly improved the bass. I use an AT screen so my subs are still in the corners and my screen is wide. wink.gif However, if you aren't going with an AT screen you have to compromise somewhere. Bryan's advice is looking at it from an audio priority perspective and is the correct advice from that perspective.

I would rather have subs between L/R and center with corner bass traps than have subs in the corners.

It's a 16:9.I'm starting to think that the projection wall needs to get knocked down so I can flush the speakers behind an AT screen.


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It's a 16:9.I'm starting to think that the projection wall needs to get knocked down so I can flush the speakers behind an AT screen.
exactly, just like this:



which looks like this with the screen on and the speakers lit up:

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^ that looks really cool!

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Yep, ordered this morning. Might be a good music demo for the 215RT GTG. cool.gif

Agreed….excellent DVD. Even better would be this….

http://www.amazon.com/Killers-Live-Royal-Albert-Blu-ray/dp/B002RBZ13Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1393992177&sr=1-1&keywords=killers+live+from+the+royal+albert+hall+bluray.

Recommend playing Dustland Fairytale as loud as your 215's can muster….you and your crowd will be impressed…even if your not a Killers fan.
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Guys...I'm trying to sound treat my theater and Bryan from GIK is giving me some advice that seems questionable. Wanted to run it by you guys to see what you though.


He says the 120 inch screen is too big for the wall (13.5 ft) and the seating distance is too short (13 ft). He's saying the captivators are going to sound terrible because they are corner loaded and you can't treat the corners behind them.


He's recommending that I build out my stage more to move the caps somewhere else to treat the corners on the projection wall..........


Are corner loaded subs bad? I thought it was okay to corner load a sub. I'm confused. Can't I just treat the corner above the sub?


 

I sit 9 feet from a 113" screen and would go bigger if I had the room on the wall.
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Your referring to 2 channel tests. Any high quality avr should be able to do 2 channel with HE/HS speakers just fine. Same goes for a 2 channel amp.

HT is about 5, 7, 9, or 11 speakers being driven. That is when the avr starts to fail. I have T12s for the LCR and Mythos tens for the SS and RS. They are supposedly 93dbs. Watching a highly dynamic movie or concert at reference level results in noticeably more listening fatigue at the end then it does when watching the same show (different day) powered with a 3 channel amp and letting the avr drive the 4 surrounds.

When watching the show at reference powered with the avr I usually cannot wait for it to end so I can turn the volume down. My ears start hurting about a half hour into it. When the amp is added I enjoy the show and do not even think about the volume. This difference is why I own an amp.
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What's the lead time for making a 228HT?

It took 4 weeks to ship from the time I ordered, best bet is to call and ask though.

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Guys...I'm trying to sound treat my theater and Bryan from GIK is giving me some advice that seems questionable. Wanted to run it by you guys to see what you though.


He says the 120 inch screen is too big for the wall (13.5 ft) and the seating distance is too short (13 ft). He's saying the captivators are going to sound terrible because they are corner loaded and you can't treat the corners behind them.


He's recommending that I build out my stage more to move the caps somewhere else to treat the corners on the projection wall..........


Are corner loaded subs bad? I thought it was okay to corner load a sub. I'm confused. Can't I just treat the corner above the sub?


 

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Regarding screen size, I started with a 106" diag from 11ft. then a 126" and now have a 138' diag screen from the 11' front row viewing distance. I was happy with the 126" but needed the additional width of the 138" for the 215RT speakers. I have watched several movies on the 138" and have no problems with that size. My wife didn't even notice the difference but then she is pretty much oblivious to anything I do in the HT room. Very supportive, but oblivious ... It doesn't get any better than that! tongue.gifwink.gif
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What projector are you using? Plenty bright?
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I'm using an epson 5030ub. Its a great projector.

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What projector are you using? Plenty bright?

I have a Sony VPL-HW50ES and by the Projector Central calculator I am fine in a light controlled room. I have the throw distance right, run it in high power mode and it looks very good to me. smile.gif

I had a $10K projector once and feel I get an as good, if not better image from the Sony. The 3D isn't quite up to my brightness level preference but I don't watch much 3D. Apparently the format is loosing it's draw anyway now that 4K mania is gaining momentum. smile.gif

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I have a Sony VPL-HW50ES and by the Projector Central calculator I am fine in a light controlled room. I have the throw distance right, run it in high power mode and it looks very good to me. smile.gif)

Do you have a scope screen or 16:9? How far away is the projector from the screen? I have a bit before doing so but the wish is to have a scope screen that is 130" wide or potentially larger.
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I'm using an epson 5030ub. Its a great projector.

Great projector. Just verify the throw, zoom, and focus on the largest image you can get from placement distance. This is 16:9 so maximize the size because 2.35-2.40 will be relatively smaller anyway.

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Do you have a scope screen or 16:9? How far away is the projector from the screen? I have a bit before doing so but the wish is to have a scope screen that is 130" wide or potentially larger.

It's a 16:9 and the projector is a little close now (14') as I had to move the screen 1' farther off of the front wall to accommodate the new speakers. That shortened my viewing distance from 12.5' to 11.5' and the throw from 15' to 14'. It seems to work but I am debating moving the projector back 2' to get to the recommended throw. It means an hour (at least) of attic time that I don't look forward to. smile.gif

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exactly, just like this:



which looks like this with the screen on and the speakers lit up:


I have seen this picture on Jeff's FB site - looks awesome. I am in the early stages of designing my frontstage and would love to know more about this specific build - is there a build thread? I am going with a Seymour AV Center Stage XD AT 16 X 9 Screen (thanks RMK!) (126" diagonal 110" width) on a 14' wall. I have JTR T12s LCR that will go behind the screen and perhaps both of my Seaton HP subs. Only one corner as the left side is open (with draw curtains planned for light control). I can tear down the current wall and rebuild as it is not load bearing or just build out 20" or so. I will be sitting about 12' at MLP. No treatments yet, but would like to add some to the front perhaps just like this picture and then add some corner bass traps and small number of wall treatments to side and back.

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My wife didn't even notice the difference but then she is pretty much oblivious to anything I do in the HT room. Very supportive, but oblivious ... It doesn't get any better than that! tongue.gifwink.gif

LOL.... that sounds exactly like my wife! She still hasn't even noticed that I bought a Sherbourn PA 7-350 amp. Hell I've been buying a new dirt bike every other year trading in the old one for like the past 6 years and my wife still hasn't noticed because I stayed with the same brand and color!..lol
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LOL.... that sounds exactly like my wife! She still hasn't even noticed that I bought a Sherbourn PA 7-350 amp. Hell I've been buying a new dirt bike every other year trading in the old one for like the past 6 years and my wife still hasn't noticed because I stayed with the same brand and color!..lol

Thats part of the secret of upgrading. Stay with the same brand/look and they won't even notice smile.gif I went from a Marantz av7005 to av8801...didn't notice. JTR T12 to JTR 212..didn't notice. I went from a grey NAD M25 to a black Parasound Halo...didn't notice. When I tell her I upgraded something in the HT she gives me the "whatever" response anyways. I might try to whole polygamy thing and see if she notices tongue.gif
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I have seen this picture on Jeff's FB site - looks awesome. I am in the early stages of designing my frontstage and would love to know more about this specific build - is there a build thread? I am going with a Seymour AV Center Stage XD AT 16 X 9 Screen (thanks RMK!) (126" diagonal 110" width) on a 14' wall. I have JTR T12s LCR that will go behind the screen and perhaps both of my Seaton HP subs. Only one corner as the left side is open (with draw curtains planned for light control). I can tear down the current wall and rebuild as it is not load bearing or just build out 20" or so. I will be sitting about 12' at MLP. No treatments yet, but would like to add some to the front perhaps just like this picture and then add some corner bass traps and small number of wall treatments to side and back.

Feel free to follow my build thread. I will be incorporating both the baffle wall with the IMAX reveal look. Search for the Savoy build thread.
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Feel free to follow my build thread. I will be incorporating both the baffle wall with the IMAX reveal look. Search for the Savoy build thread.

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I have seen this picture on Jeff's FB site - looks awesome. I am in the early stages of designing my frontstage and would love to know more about this specific build - is there a build thread? I am going with a Seymour AV Center Stage XD AT 16 X 9 Screen (thanks RMK!) (126" diagonal 110" width) on a 14' wall. I have JTR T12s LCR that will go behind the screen and perhaps both of my Seaton HP subs. Only one corner as the left side is open (with draw curtains planned for light control). I can tear down the current wall and rebuild as it is not load bearing or just build out 20" or so. I will be sitting about 12' at MLP. No treatments yet, but would like to add some to the front perhaps just like this picture and then add some corner bass traps and small number of wall treatments to side and back.

No problem, glad to help spread the AT gospel around ... smile.gif

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LOL.... that sounds exactly like my wife! She still hasn't even noticed that I bought a Sherbourn PA 7-350 amp. Hell I've been buying a new dirt bike every other year trading in the old one for like the past 6 years and my wife still hasn't noticed because I stayed with the same brand and color!..lol

My wife still hasn't noticed the 228's that I got 2 weeks ago. They replaced Emptek towers. They look nothing alike!!

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Thats part of the secret of upgrading. Stay with the same brand/look and they won't even notice smile.gif I went from a Marantz av7005 to av8801...didn't notice. JTR T12 to JTR 212..didn't notice. I went from a grey NAD M25 to a black Parasound Halo...didn't notice. When I tell her I upgraded something in the HT she gives me the "whatever" response anyways. I might try to whole polygamy thing and see if she notices tongue.gif

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Thanks for the link...I like that theater quite a bit! I may do something similar.

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Nope - not unless Jeff makes you something custom.

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I suppose you have your reasons but Jeff's crossover work is why many of us buy his speakers. I doubt the they could be setup better unless you have expierence with a really good DSP unit (Dolby Lake). Perhaps you do and if so it wouldn't hurt to ask. What speaker model are you looking at?

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