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Are you good friends with the neighborhood ? eek.gif
one of the best parts of the basement theater is you can hardly here it outside even at +17dBfr. Just a low rumble and funny earthquake feeling in the ground next to the house. We have had parties till 3 in the morning and played this loud, no cops ever. The neighbores are about 100-200 f away though. Once the ceiling is done maybe even less sound outside. If you want to come back and check it out when I am finished let me know. I may have another GTG, would be fun, more milk this time:rolleyes:.

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Hi. Is there anyone in the Dallas/Plano area who has a home theatre setup using Noesis 228HTs that I can come and listen to? Please PM me. Thanks.

Good to see you reaching out. Give it some time if you haven't heard from anyone. I think I recall someone from your area, can't remember who it is though.

To all, Pillpusher is trying to decide on speakers for a dedicated theater AT screen setup and has only had the opportunity to listen to box store paradigm's, B&W's, and others. I pointed him over here after recommending JTR 228's.

Perhaps some that made a switch to 228's from similar models could chime in with their impressions after they switched.
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Good to see you reaching out. Give it some time if you haven't heard from anyone. I think I recall someone from your area, can't remember who it is though.

To all, Pillpusher is trying to decide on speakers for a dedicated theater AT screen setup and has only had the opportunity to listen to box store paradigm's, B&W's, and others. I pointed him over here after recommending JTR 228's.

Perhaps some that made a switch to 228's from similar models could chime in with their impressions after they switched.
I didn't end up switching to the JTR's, but I've heard them at Gooddoc's place and they'll handily beat similarly priced Paradigms. I loved my Digms, but they really don't have the impact that JTRs do. But, it depends on your tastes, like everything. If you're a bigger movie than music guy, then it's an even easier swing to go over to the JTRs. Music, I find, people have much different opinions about what makes a good speaker. But, certainly, the JTR Noesis are excellent music performers as well, IMO.
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Hi. Is there anyone in the Dallas/Plano area who has a home theatre setup using Noesis 228HTs that I can come and listen to? Please PM me. Thanks.

AVS member KevinH is in Austin. He has Noesis 3TX LCR's and Orbit Shifter subs. That would make for an interesting demo if you are ever in the Capital City. smile.gif
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I didn't end up switching to the JTR's, but I've heard them at Gooddoc's place and they'll handily beat similarly priced Paradigms. I loved my Digms, but they really don't have the impact that JTRs do. But, it depends on your tastes, like everything. If you're a bigger movie than music guy, then it's an even easier swing to go over to the JTRs. Music, I find, people have much different opinions about what makes a good speaker. But, certainly, the JTR Noesis are excellent music performers as well, IMO.

Hey Brian,

Long time no talk. How are those Cats? I'd love to hear what you think of them now that you've been living with them for a while.
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I didn't end up switching to the JTR's, but I've heard them at Gooddoc's place and they'll handily beat similarly priced Paradigms. I loved my Digms, but they really don't have the impact that JTRs do. But, it depends on your tastes, like everything. If you're a bigger movie than music guy, then it's an even easier swing to go over to the JTRs. Music, I find, people have much different opinions about what makes a good speaker. But, certainly, the JTR Noesis are excellent music performers as well, IMO.

Thanks for the recommendation, and thank you Gooddoc for the intro.
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Thanks for the recommendation, and thank you Gooddoc for the intro.

No problem. I hope you get a chance to listen. There are plenty of posts you'll find where folks upgraded to a design like JTR from speaker designs like you were looking at. But I doubt you'll find anyone that went from designs like JTR to the speaker designs you were looking at - at least anywhere close to your budget. That should tell you something. wink.gifsmile.gif
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Well, all is back to normal in my HT. I have had the new amps for a week but with it needing attenuators, the system just didn't sound right over the last week. Kind of hard to get excited about new toys when something isn't right with the overall experience. Could never get it dialed in manually. Last night the attenuators came in. Today I ran audyssey and everything was back in range for Audyssey (-12 to +12 db) and the system sounds great again. First thing I did was put in the Tim Reynolds and Dave Matthews blu ray concert and man did my smile come back. That blu ray concert is the best recording I have ever heard in a blu ray concert (I own about 20). Then just now watched Gravity with the family. The soundtrack was much more active then I would have imagined and again my smile was back. Gonna try and not tinker with things for a while and just enjoy status quo.
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one of the best parts of the basement theater is you can hardly here it outside even at +17dBfr. Just a low rumble and funny earthquake feeling in the ground next to the house. We have had parties till 3 in the morning and played this loud, no cops ever. The neighbores are about 100-200 f away though. Once the ceiling is done maybe even less sound outside. If you want to come back and check it out when I am finished let me know. I may have another GTG, would be fun, more milk this time:rolleyes:.


Let me know when you have another GTG . I would have had a good beverage but was getting over a bad cold and I thought if I had one or two , I would not have wanted to leave smile.gif

I think your new ceiling will be a huge improvement . That and powering your system with a real amp and not a weak receiver. cool.gif

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Hey Brian,

Long time no talk. How are those Cats? I'd love to hear what you think of them now that you've been living with them for a while.
My room still is not worthy of them. My brother comes home from school this weekend and I think I'm going to enlist him to help me get these things onto furniture sliders and help me measure and push 'em around. Right now they are still directed straight at me with no toe and nowhere near the ideal "golden ratio". I just plopped them where the old ones were because it was easiest and didn't require me moving around other furniture. They sound great, but I am pretty sure once I get them toed well (and thusly get some of the residual energy off my untreated side walls) they'll sound even better. Either way, they are a crazy improvement over my old Digms, adding impact and authority to music at levels those poor things would never achieve without letting out the ghost, lol.

You'll have to stop by some day to take a listen!

P.S. When you getting those treatments tongue.gif...though, I should shut my mouth since I need them, too, haha.

edit: oh, and some stupid/funny -- I still can't get past my old habits of wondering whether or not I've broken something. Last weekend I had the Metallica Through The Never soundtrack on, LOUD, like +8 for some songs. Then, I'd turn it back down to reference, and wonder "OMG, I hope I didn't hurt something." Usually it was because it seems on that disc much of the cymbals are mixed heavily to the right side of the soundstage, so I'd think, "wait, was all the high frequency content coming from that speaker all along, oh no, did I blow the left tweater, ahhhhhh!". Cuz, at +8, I'm sure my poor old digms would've smoked a tweater (and maybe a mid, too) and I keep thinking I'm going to hurt these things. But, I go behind them, switch off all the amplifiers, and turn on each in succession to make sure all drivers are there and working, and they are...no harm done, lol. Paranoid, much....eventually I'll get over it, I suppose, haha.
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Let me know when you have another GTG . I would have had a good beverage but was getting over a bad cold and I thought if I had one or two , I would not have wanted to leave smile.gif

I think your new ceiling will be a huge improvement . That and powering your system with a real amp and not a weak receiver. cool.gif
you should have stayed. A few of us stayed and had quite a few beers while listening to music after the movie was over. I am hoping for something in May and I will definitely let you know.

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My room still is not worthy of them. My brother comes home from school this weekend and I think I'm going to enlist him to help me get these things onto furniture sliders and help me measure and push 'em around. Right now they are still directed straight at me with no toe and nowhere near the ideal "golden ratio". I just plopped them where the old ones were because it was easiest and didn't require me moving around other furniture. They sound great, but I am pretty sure once I get them toed well (and thusly get some of the residual energy off my untreated side walls) they'll sound even better. Either way, they are a crazy improvement over my old Digms, adding impact and authority to music at levels those poor things would never achieve without letting out the ghost, lol.

You'll have to stop by some day to take a listen!

P.S. When you getting those treatments tongue.gif...though, I should shut my mouth since I need them, too, haha.

edit: oh, and some stupid/funny -- I still can't get past my old habits of wondering whether or not I've broken something. Last weekend I had the Metallica Through The Never soundtrack on, LOUD, like +8 for some songs. Then, I'd turn it back down to reference, and wonder "OMG, I hope I didn't hurt something." Usually it was because it seems on that disc much of the cymbals are mixed heavily to the right side of the soundstage, so I'd think, "wait, was all the high frequency content coming from that speaker all along, oh no, did I blow the left tweater, ahhhhhh!". Cuz, at +8, I'm sure my poor old digms would've smoked a tweater (and maybe a mid, too) and I keep thinking I'm going to hurt these things. But, I go behind them, switch off all the amplifiers, and turn on each in succession to make sure all drivers are there and working, and they are...no harm done, lol. Paranoid, much....eventually I'll get over it, I suppose, haha.

Ha! I don't think you have anything to worry about and I'm not sure it's even possible to blow those drivers. Mark Seaton knows the crowd he's designing for and I'm sure he's designed them to take whatever you throw at them. biggrin.gif

As to my treatments, I went and bought a PJ without a game plan for a screen and little did I know that the screen would be such a PITA to figure out....Then I got on a kick to find a new processor....then I started launching my third business and between the three of them I simply don't have the time currently to install and deal with any of those HTC projects. So I'm in a holding pattern until things calm down and I have the time. smile.gif
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Ha! I don't think you have anything to worry about and I'm not sure it's even possible to blow those drivers. Mark Seaton knows the crowd he's designing for and I'm sure he's designed them to take whatever you throw at them. biggrin.gif

It's been my observation that the Catalyst buyer is different than the "average" JTR buyer. Seaton's demographic is a bit longer of tooth and looking for a more refined sound that only spending more money can deliver tongue.gifwink.gif. Where as the average JTR buyer is a bit younger, more reckless and impulsive and so tends to stomp down hard on the accelerator whenever the mood strikes.

That said, I have some of characteristics of both in that I enjoy a good Cabernet while riding that roller coaster. I actually feel more comfortable with the old geezers who buy Seaton, but I'm also relatively immature and find myself drawn to the darker side of my nature (e.g. Nero's remix of Ghosts N Stuff by Deadmau5 at +15db tongue.gif).
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It's been my observation that the Catalyst buyer is different than the "average" JTR buyer. Seaton's demographic is a bit longer of tooth and looking for a more refined sound that only spending more money can deliver tongue.gifwink.gif. Where as the average JTR buyer is a bit younger, more reckless and impulsive and so tends to stomp down hard on the accelerator whenever the mood strikes.

That said, I have some of characteristics of both in that I enjoy a good Cabernet while riding that roller coaster. I actually feel more comfortable with the old geezers who buy Seaton, but I'm also relatively immature and find myself drawn to the darker side of my nature (e.g. Nero's remix of Ghosts N Stuff by Deadmau5 at +15db tongue.gif).

Well the dual Orbit Shifters pretty much settled the deal smile.gif
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It's been my observation that the Catalyst buyer is different than the "average" JTR buyer. Seaton's demographic is a bit longer of tooth and looking for a more refined sound that only spending more money can deliver tongue.gifwink.gif. Where as the average JTR buyer is a bit younger, more reckless and impulsive and so tends to stomp down hard on the accelerator whenever the mood strikes.

That said, I have some of characteristics of both in that I enjoy a good Cabernet while riding that roller coaster. I actually feel more comfortable with the old geezers who buy Seaton, but I'm also relatively immature and find myself drawn to the darker side of my nature (e.g. Nero's remix of Ghosts N Stuff by Deadmau5 at +15db tongue.gif).

Well, from my listening session with DreamWarrior I don't think he fits the Seaton demographic as you described. smile.gif

He's pedal to the metal, lol. I had my LG amp gain set at a level that gave me enough watts to hit the volumes that I considered loud enough for me, yet also reduced my speaker hiss to about zero. DreamWarrior cranked it right up until the signal chain was clipping, lol. In retrospect, I should have set the gains to normal levels before hand since the speaker hiss is really only an issue for my late night listening sessions at low volumes and a very quiet noise floor. I sort of felt bad since in a demo you want the system to be at its full potential, and even I was disappointed to experience limits. biggrin.gif

To the point though, he's struck me as a JTR guy when it comes to volume, but he still expects refinement from his speaker and is a critical listener. In that regard he definitely fits well with Seaton's designs.
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Seatons stuff vs JTR is also kinda like apple vs android. Seaton is all in one, it ia what it is, no monkeying with it, just plug it in and done. JTR gives you an idea and lets you run with it, the amp and dsp is up to you. Personally I dislike active speakers because of the plugs needed and I want to use my own power, thats part of the fun..... I also dislike Apple and what they as a company stand for. lol

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Well, from my listening session with DreamWarrior I don't think he fits the Seaton demographic as you described. smile.gif

He's pedal to the metal, lol. I had my LG amp gain set at a level that gave me enough watts to hit the volumes that I considered loud enough for me, yet also reduced my speaker hiss to about zero. DreamWarrior cranked it right up until the signal chain was clipping, lol. In retrospect, I should have set the gains to normal levels before hand since the speaker hiss is really only an issue for my late night listening sessions at low volumes and a very quiet noise floor. I sort of felt bad since in a demo you want the system to be at its full potential, and even I was disappointed to experience limits. biggrin.gif

To the point though, he's struck me as a JTR guy when it comes to volume, but he still expects refinement from his speaker and is a critical listener. In that regard he definitely fits well with Seaton's designs.
Haha...I was going to say that myself -- I'm not quite liberal on the volume. I kicked my sub levels up +15 DB hot and then maxed the volume (at +8 b/c the Denon restricted max due to the sub tilts being at +6 and +7, I really gotta re-gain these...another project) while watching the Metallica Through The Never disc. I probably would have kept pushing it if I didn't think my signal chain was going to start to have difficultly. I easily could have, just had to start increasing the -8.5 levels on the front channels, lol. But...I sort of figured I was already in the realm of "not doing my ears any good", so decided it was for the best not to, eek.gif.

As for being a critical listener, thanks for the compliment....I try to listen as critically as I can while I can hear anything from my old days of 150+ DB bass in my competition car, lol. Which is to say, with the mild ring I have in my right ear, I try to be as discerning as I can, ugh. But, I still hear more things in tracks than my wife, so...I must still have something working in there, lol.

Anyway -- as for your signal chain, like I've said multiple times, I think you have things set just fine. I was quite impressed and don't think I really needed to take it any louder than we did even if it could have. If anything, the minute I heard it, it made me back off, and I was subsequently glad I did because otherwise I probably would have walked away with even more damage than we did to our hearing that evening, lol. But, it was worth every minute, haha! Besides, I still think your room has mine beat, I need to get myself some mini-DSP units and start tweaking a real house curve as opposed to a "boost the subs +15 DB hot" curve, because even though it sounds significantly better now with two subs and vastly better hand-off to the mains, I can still easily tell on some tracks that the overall balance just doesn't work with such a drastic level change at x-over. However, having my x-over at 60hz and the Seaton's allowing that with better aplomb than the JTRs probably helps me there a bit. If I bumped the x-over to 80 I would be straight annoyed running them that hot with most stuff like I was with my last set-up, but I had no choice then.
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Seatons stuff vs JTR is also kinda like apple vs android. Seaton is all in one, it ia what it is, no monkeying with it, just plug it in and done. JTR gives you an idea and lets you run with it, the amp and dsp is up to you. Personally I dislike active speakers because of the plugs needed and I want to use my own power, thats part of the fun..... I also dislike Apple and what they as a company stand for. lol
It's not like I can't EQ my Seaton's....I could just as easily insert a signal processor (mini-DSP) in between my receiver and the active amplifier in the speaker. Therefore, I have just as much flexibility as you do with your JTR unless you rip out the passive x-over and go active. Moreover, I suppose I could do the same, I'd just be wasting an amplifier instead of a x-over to do so, lol.

That said, I did have some trouble convincing myself that I could accept an all-in-one package. Mostly because (as you mention) I don't like running both the XLR and power to each speaker, but this is not so bad in my situation. More, though because if I blow the amplifier I'm without a speaker, I can't just swap in another amplifier temporarily (or switch to receiver power temporarily). I'm hoping this never manifests as a real problem, though. But certainly, it is a concern, if not a mild one. However, I did so because the benefits outweigh, IMO, these costs. Those benefits are quite the same -- it's all-in-one, the power requirements have already been considered to push the drivers to the max and an optimal x-over and adjustment curve to get the system flat has been designed. All that's left is the "monkey with" the signal just enough to flatten it out in my room. So, the only real concern left is the extra A/D->D/A stage...I'm not a believer in my ability to hear that, so it doesn't concern me.
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I fee like the old lady in the JTR community. I listen to movies between -8 and -12...and -8 is getting loud for my tastes. Blu Ray concerts and music I am more around -15. I don't recall ever taking my system over reference and have only been near reference when fellow AVS members stop by. My knitting group meets soon so I before take a nap and get ready tongue.gif
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I fee like the old lady in the JTR community. I listen to movies between -8 and -12...and -8 is getting loud for my tastes. Blu Ray concerts and music I am more around -15. I don't recall ever taking my system over reference and have only been near reference when fellow AVS members stop by. My knitting group meets soon so I before take a nap and get ready tongue.gif
Haha...the funny thing is, I find my "late night" listening habits have changed a bit. I used to be around -20 with my old Digms, now I'm closer to -30/-40 because I don't need those extra DBs to "fill in" where the digms lacked. Hard to describe, but on these things "softer is louder" if that makes any sense. So...I'd say my most typical listening doesn't exceed those levels either. However, when I'm in dancing-a-fool or head-bang-away-because-the-wife-is-out mode, the volumes certainly start hitting and exceeding reference and lots of air drums and guitar is to be done, lol.
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Haha...the funny thing is, I find my "late night" listening habits have changed a bit. I used to be around -20 with my old Digms, now I'm closer to -30/-40 because I don't need those extra DBs to "fill in" where the digms lacked. Hard to describe, but on these things "softer is louder" if that makes any sense. So...I'd say my most typical listening doesn't exceed those levels either. However, when I'm in dancing-a-fool or head-bang-away-because-the-wife-is-out mode, the volumes certainly start hitting and exceeding reference and lots of air drums and guitar is to be done, lol.

Haha, I think you are me. I do the exact same things smile.gif I have also found with my recent addition that casual listening can be done much lower with them being so clean, but when I want to put the coal to it, they run to reference awfully quick biggrin.gif

Frohlich, don't feel too old bro, as the Dos Equis man would say, I don't attempt reference often.... But when I do, I blow right past it....

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Haha, I think you are me. I do the exact same things smile.gif I have also found with my recent addition that casual listening can be done much lower with them being so clean, but when I want to put the coal to it, they run to reference awfully quick biggrin.gif

Frohlich, don't feel too old bro, as the Dos Equis man would say, I don't attempt reference often.... But when I do, I blow right past it....
Haha. But now I can't get that stupid "look we are same" man-kini commercial out of my head, ARGH mad.gif.

Of course, my room probably doesn't have as low a noise floor as yours does, especially once my bloody geo-thermal unit kicks on. If it did, though, I could probably hear a lot deeper into the recording at these lower levels. Such is life in a shared family room / "theater".
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I fee like the old lady in the JTR community. I listen to movies between -8 and -12...and -8 is getting loud for my tastes. Blu Ray concerts and music I am more around -15. I don't recall ever taking my system over reference and have only been near reference when fellow AVS members stop by. My knitting group meets soon so I before take a nap and get ready tongue.gif

Whoah! That kind of talk could cause your JTR Hearing Aid Group Discount Card to be revoked. biggrin.gif
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Whoah! That kind of talk could cause your JTR Hearing Aid Group Discount Card to be revoked. biggrin.gif

Don't forget he already has the old lady dog as his avatar so it seems to fit the profile. smile.gif

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Don't forget he already has the old lady dog as his avatar so it seems to fit the profile. smile.gif

You young whiper snaper....if I wasn't late for my 4:30 dinner I woud stick around longer and give you a piece of my mind. After knitting club their is Golden Girls marathon from 7 until 9...if I can make it up that late tongue.gif
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Don't forget he already has the old lady dog as his avatar so it seems to fit the profile. smile.gif
That's a dog...? I seriously thought it was a ferret. Maybe I have some old-man eyes, haha.
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Didn't you visit craig johns theater as well?

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