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I kind of feel like I am wasting my 228's if I cross them over so high though.
150hz XO is very high with capable speakers like the 228HT.
Somewhere between 80hz - 120hz should do the trick.
Try to nail down 100hz as good as possible then use that as your reference to compare 80hz and then compare it to 120hz.
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I have tried a search with no result. So I'll ask here.
How does ADSY sub distance tweak work?
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I have tried a search with no result. So I'll ask here.
How does ADSY sub distance tweak work?

Here is a tutorial

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Who here uses a 70" or greater tv with their jtr? Anyone gone from a projector to a tv and preferred it? I have an epson 8350 now and the wife said we could change out to a tv at the new house if we wanted. Advantages are better blacks, ability to use xbox kinnect, better pc use, probably better 3d. There is a 70" sony on sale right now for a great price that uses passive 3d and can use the movie theater glasses, so that be a cheap way to get a bunch of 3d glasses for guests. Pics if you got them!

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150hz XO is very high with capable speakers like the 228HT.
Somewhere between 80hz - 120hz should do the trick.
Try to nail down 100hz as good as possible then use that as your reference to compare 80hz and then compare it to 120hz.
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I will play around with 80 and 120 xo settings this weekend.

I spent about 1.5 hours on the 100hz graph on Wednesday and about 1 hour last night on the 150. I have all setting written down so it would be easy to revert back to any setting.

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Who here uses a 70" or greater tv with their jtr? Anyone gone from a projector to a tv and preferred it? I have an epson 8350 now and the wife said we could change out to a tv at the new house if we wanted. Advantages are better blacks, ability to use xbox kinnect, better pc use, probably better 3d. There is a 70" sony on sale right now for a great price that uses passive 3d and can use the movie theater glasses, so that be a cheap way to get a bunch of 3d glasses for guests. Pics if you got them!

I don't think I could ever go back to a tv in my room unless it was over 100 inches. I have the same projector and use xbox kinect all of the time, why do you have an issue?

I was not aware that sony had a passive 3d tv.

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Here is a tutorial

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150hz XO is very high with capable speakers like the 228HT.
Somewhere between 80hz - 120hz should do the trick.
Try to nail down 100hz as good as possible then use that as your reference to compare 80hz and then compare it to 120hz.
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Who here uses a 70" or greater tv with their jtr? Anyone gone from a projector to a tv and preferred it? I have an epson 8350 now and the wife said we could change out to a tv at the new house if we wanted. Advantages are better blacks, ability to use xbox kinnect, better pc use, probably better 3d. There is a 70" sony on sale right now for a great price that uses passive 3d and can use the movie theater glasses, so that be a cheap way to get a bunch of 3d glasses for guests. Pics if you got them!

If it isn't a dedicated HT room go with the large TV for the very reasons you cited. If it is a dedicated space but you are using it a lot for gaming and PC (eg non-movie watching) then I would still go for the big TV. You can always add a powered FP screen for movies down the road.

BTW, my Sony FP allows me to use active PS3 3D glasses that cost <$20/ea. The underwhelming experience of 3D on a TV is why 3D is going away.

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^ this ... plus listen and set it where it sounds best to you. smile.gif

I think it actually does sound better at 150hz, midbass has much better impact.

My room is untreated, and I guess it makes sense that 9 15 inch woofers have better slam than 6 8 inch woofers in the 228's?

Funny thing, when I was measuring the frequency response of my center (which wasn't very smooth) I decided to throw a bunch of pillows on the floor and it smoothed the response some. My center is only about 13-14 inches off of the floor. I may place it vertically and see if it helps. Eventually i will have an AT screen.

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I think it actually does sound better at 150hz, midbass has much better impact.

My room is untreated, and I guess it makes sense that 9 15 inch woofers have better slam than 6 8 inch woofers in the 228's?

Funny thing, when I was measuring the frequency response of my center (which wasn't very smooth) I decided to throw a bunch of pillows on the floor and it smoothed the response some. My center is only about 13-14 inches off of the floor. I may place it vertically and see if it helps. Eventually i will have an AT screen.

Good that you are experimenting and measuring. You are to a large degree hearing the room. Having a live room can restore some of the vitality (liveness) to music that MP3's and even CD's take away. In a heavily treated room like mine, you hear more of the source and speakers and so these elements become even more important to the experience. That is why I am so interested in the Neil Young PONO experiment. If you go to the website and watch the artists reaction to the sound it is very telling. Music has been dumbed down to the point where it is often unrecognizable by the people who created it. If it seems like I am really drinking the kool-aid on this one I suppose I am. This little player might bring quality back to music and I for one am very excited by that prospect.
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I think it actually does sound better at 150hz, midbass has much better impact.

My room is untreated, and I guess it makes sense that 9 15 inch woofers have better slam than 6 8 inch woofers in the 228's?

Funny thing, when I was measuring the frequency response of my center (which wasn't very smooth) I decided to throw a bunch of pillows on the floor and it smoothed the response some. My center is only about 13-14 inches off of the floor. I may place it vertically and see if it helps. Eventually i will have an AT screen.

If you're crossing them over at 150hz, non of the mid bass is coming from your 228's. That's all just coming from your subs.
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My center is only about 13-14 inches off of the floor. I may place it vertically and see if it helps. Eventually i will have an AT screen.
Make sure that your horn is rotated properly with Horizontal placement. 60 Horizontal 40 Vertical.
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Who here uses a 70" or greater tv with their jtr? Anyone gone from a projector to a tv and preferred it? I have an epson 8350 now and the wife said we could change out to a tv at the new house if we wanted. Advantages are better blacks, ability to use xbox kinnect, better pc use, probably better 3d. There is a 70" sony on sale right now for a great price that uses passive 3d and can use the movie theater glasses, so that be a cheap way to get a bunch of 3d glasses for guests. Pics if you got them!

Archaea - I see a 118" Carada screen in your future. Great idea!
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Make sure that your horn is rotated properly with Horizontal placement. 60 Horizontal 40 Vertical.
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If you're crossing them over at 150hz, none of the mid bass is coming from your 228's. That's all just coming from your subs.

Which is why I think it hits harder in mid bass (?)

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I currently use a 52" Sharp Aquos Quattron with my JTR 7.4 setup. I plan on getting a screen when we buy a house but that will not be for at least another year. I do really enjoy watching on the Sharp but I have a feeling once I get a screen like JBrown's then I will most likely never leave the couch! Not good smile.gif

I am sure this has been discussed and I have missed it but can someone please tell me the best way to dust off these speakers? Thank you.
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Yes, will do that if I try it vertically
Which is why I think it hits harder in mid bass (?)
Yeah. 9 x 15" woofers will hit real hard. The Triax is capable up to 200hz so 150hz XO may be ideal. The higher FR is a benefit. smile.gif
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I am sure this has been discussed and I have missed it but can someone please tell me the best way to dust off these speakers? Thank you.
A slightly damp cloth with just plain water works well. Stay away from paper or fuzzy towels and oil-based cleaners. They stick.

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Who here uses a 70" or greater tv with their jtr? Anyone gone from a projector to a tv and preferred it? Advantages are better blacks, ability to use xbox kinnect, better pc use, probably better 3d.

I don't think I could ever go back to a tv in my room unless it was over 100 inches. I have the same projector and use xbox kinect all of the time.

you must have tall ceilings. in my old room and in my new room if I was standing I'd be in the way of the projector throw, and the image in front of me would just be a shadow....of me.

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you must have tall ceilings. in my old room and in my new room if I was standing I'd be in the way of the projector throw, and the image in front of me would just be a shadow....of me.

I see what you mean now. No, unfortunately I have 7ft ceilings. It doesn't affect my daughter and her friends as they are under all under 8 years old. I have to stand to the side and father back to not interfere.

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Who here uses a 70" or greater tv with their jtr? Anyone gone from a projector to a tv and preferred it? I have an epson 8350 now and the wife said we could change out to a tv at the new house if we wanted. Advantages are better blacks, ability to use xbox kinnect, better pc use, probably better 3d. There is a 70" sony on sale right now for a great price that uses passive 3d and can use the movie theater glasses, so that be a cheap way to get a bunch of 3d glasses for guests. Pics if you got them!

Don't do it, according to some on the forum, you'd no longer have a HT just a tv watching room with speakers rolleyes.gif
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Don't do it, according to some on the forum, you'd no longer have a HT just a tv watching room with speakers rolleyes.gif
He could instantly transform it back into an HT by adding a Bose Cinemate. biggrin.gif
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Yes, will do that if I try it vertically
Which is why I think it hits harder in mid bass (?)

Why would it hit harder with the 228HT's crossed so high? If you're crossing the 228ht's lower, you aren't taking anything away from the Triax's all you're doing is adding to the mid bass with the addition of the 228ht's.

At that 150hz you're only getting the mid bass from the Triax subs, which should have awesome mid bass anyways. By crossing the 228's at say 80hz, you can still allow material above 80hz to go to the Triax's. So I'm confused as to why you feel you have more mid bass without the 228ht's in the mix below 150hz. Seems a little weird to me, maybe someone else can weigh in on this.
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For me crossing at 150hz is the way to go for music hands down. I've mentioned it a few times, but doing so allows me to eq the way I want with my subs and get a nice even response with house curve from over 200hz on down.

The bass is much more tactile and not at all "chesty", "boomy", or whatever else as long as it I have it eq'd correctly.

I don't recommend this if you don't have multiple subs dialed in and the ability to tweak eq and the patience to spend a lot of time getting it just right.
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Why would it hit harder with the 228HT's crossed so high? If you're crossing the 228ht's lower, you aren't taking anything away from the Triax's all you're doing is adding to the mid bass with the addition of the 228ht's.

At that 150hz you're only getting the mid bass from the Triax subs, which should have awesome mid bass anyways. By crossing the 228's at say 80hz, you can still allow material above 80hz to go to the Triax's. So I'm confused as to why you feel you have more mid bass without the 228ht's in the mix below 150hz. Seems a little weird to me, maybe someone else can weigh in on this.

When I set my crossover to 80hz, the bass from 80 and up goes to the 228's and not the Triax's right (with maybe the exception of the LFE channel)? I feel like I am getting better slam feel when the Triax's are outputting the 80-150 instead (xo set at 150). How would I cross the 228s at 80 and still have the triax output up to 150?

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For me crossing at 150hz is the way to go for music hands down. I've mentioned it a few times, but doing so allows me to eq the way I want with my subs and get a nice even response with house curve from over 200hz on down.

The bass is much more tactile and not at all "chesty", "boomy", or whatever else as long as it I have it eq'd correctly.

I don't recommend this if you don't have multiple subs dialed in and the ability to tweak eq and the patience to spend a lot of time getting it just right.

Hey Carp, I really liked the way music sounded with the 150 xo, do you not use this setting for movies also?

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Great news: I got the center channel stand from Jeff last week. Now the S2, that was doubling as the stand, is moved to sit between the center and right speaker. My wife hates the lack of symmetry and is demanding I get another S2 to balance out the look! biggrin.gif
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