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I agree Vinyl is snap crackle pop, but the vinyl guys will say that is the beauty of it. Vinyl is definitely much more warm. So much of the information is missing on CD and compressed MP3's, vinyl just has allot more bandwidth, but allot more noise. Nothing will sound better than vinyl played on a good table with some full range quality speakers. I am not so sure the Noesis would be the best choice of speakers to really be playing back vinyl, but certainly, to each his own. vinyl is making a big comeback, but at a pretty big price.

I made the transition to CD/SACD/DVD-A and don't think I'll ever look back. Although mastering quality will have a large impact on SQ, the dynamic range of CD is far superior to vinyl. That's not to say many don't prefer the sound of vinyl, but it's definitely holds no technical advantage over CD as far as I can tell. It's like the tube vs. Solid state amp preference, different strokes for different folks.

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Looks great UFO.

Quick question along those lines. Is it possible to finish speakers that are already built? I was considering selling my 228's and getting the 210s with a custom veneer, but if I can get my current speakers finished, I might just o that route.

I'm going to guess NO. Because your current speakers have a 1/2" rounded edge on them, and any speakers that I've seen from Jeff that were veneered had straight edges not rounded.
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They would also have to sand the current paint finish off. It is possible to have it done but would cost quite a bit more than $300 each. Add in shipping charges and I am not sure it would be worth it. If you can find a local furniture refinisher it may be more cost effective.

It sure sounds like a good reason to buy some 210s. smile.gif

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They would also have to sand the current paint finish off. It is possible to have it done but would cost quite a bit more than $300 each. Add in shipping charges and I am not sure it would be worth it. If you can find someone local to do it it may be more cost effective.

It sure sounds like a good reason to buy some 210s. smile.gif

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Thanks, guys. Once the price for the 210's come out I will have to make a decision. Right now, I have the 228's with stands and I think that the 210's look much better for a living room/media room space (ie, finished basement). I'm really interested to see what his center channel solution will be. I also have a cap 1000 and I'm hoping that the 210's will play nice with it. I think that Jeff said that he will have some info soon and that he will be taking orders on the 31st.

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Thanks, guys. Once the price for the 210's come out I will have to make a decision. Right now, I have the 228's with stands and I think that the 210's look much better for a living room/media room space (ie, finished basement). I'm really interested to see what his center channel solution will be. I also have a cap 1000 and I'm hoping that the 210's will play nice with it. I think that Jeff said that he will have some info soon and that he will be taking orders on the 31st.

I thought Jeff has already said that they will be a couple hundred more then the 212HT's? So that would make them $2499 no?
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Agreed. The right equipment is essential. Vynl can be very quiet with the right pressing and equipment. It can be very expensive to get the right equipment, though. I really like it, but I will admit there is a nostalgia factor. I just bought a vintage stero counsel and I love it.
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I thought Jeff has already said that they will be a couple hundred more then the 212HT's? So that would make them $2499 no?

I think so, but we can always hope for intro pricing! I just want to see it in print before I bite.

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I think so, but we can always hope for intro pricing! I just want to see it in print before I bite.

LOL.....there's always hope right biggrin.gif
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Does anyone know which 12" Eminence drivers Jeff uses in the 212's?
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Anyone have some noesis speakers near Jackson, ms. Would like a demo
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Does anyone know which 12" Eminence drivers Jeff uses in the 212's?

The 212 woofers are custom so not commercially available. smile.gif

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The 212 woofers are custom so not commercially available. smile.gif

BTW, the 215 are "shipping tomorrow" so should be here (as in my possession) by Thursday of next week. That give me a day to two to tweak before the Sat GTG. I will start a thread in the HT Meet Thread and put a link in my Sig. Emails and PM's with details will go out this weekend. Looking forward to seeing y'all on the 29th.

They are Eminence drivers though right?
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ya they are. I had mine out at one point and they are indeed.

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The 212 woofers are custom so not commercially available. smile.gif

BTW, the 215 are "shipping tomorrow" so should be here (as in my possession) by Thursday of next week. That give me a day to two to tweak before the Sat GTG. I will start a thread in the HT Meet Thread and put a link in my Sig. Emails and PM's with details will go out this weekend. Looking forward to seeing y'all on the 29th.

Whooooo Hooooo.. best news ever!!! Brought me back to the forum right away...

Be sure to post photos, first impressions and tons and tons of reviews... biggrin.gif
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The 212 woofers are custom so not commercially available. smile.gif

BTW, the 215 are "shipping tomorrow" so should be here (as in my possession) by Thursday of next week. That give me a day to two to tweak before the Sat GTG. I will start a thread in the HT Meet Thread and put a link in my Sig. Emails and PM's with details will go out this weekend. Looking forward to seeing y'all on the 29th.

Hearing this news must be what it's like when women hear about another woman getting new shoes or a purse. I'm so excited for you that I gasped when I read it. My girlfriend whipped around and said, "What!?"
I said, "He's finally getting his new speakers!"
She replied, "Oh..." and turned around.

I'm supremely excited for you and can't wait to hear your impressions. cool.gifbiggrin.gif

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The 212 woofers are custom so not commercially available. smile.gif

BTW, the 215 are "shipping tomorrow" so should be here (as in my possession) by Thursday of next week. That give me a day to two to tweak before the Sat GTG. I will start a thread in the HT Meet Thread and put a link in my Sig. Emails and PM's with details will go out this weekend. Looking forward to seeing y'all on the 29th.

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Do the Single8HT and 228HT share the same compression driver?
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Do the Single8HT and 228HT share the same compression driver?
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The S8, T8, T12 share the 4540nd. This CD is threaded to screw into the center of a coaxial mid-range woofer.

The 228 has the 4547nd that bolts onto a horn.

Both have the same sonic sound and are Neo Mag CDs but differ in Frequency range. They are purpose built to work with a horn (4547) or coaxial mid range (4540) so they are not interchangeable.

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The 212 woofers are custom so not commercially available. smile.gif

BTW, the 215 are "shipping tomorrow" so should be here (as in my possession) by Thursday of next week. That give me a day to two to tweak before the Sat GTG. I will start a thread in the HT Meet Thread and put a link in my Sig. Emails and PM's with details will go out this weekend. Looking forward to seeing y'all on the 29th.

Sweet!!!! Shiny new toy time!!! This time we all get to live vicariously through you. smile.gif
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I have 2 good turntables (Thorens modded TD 145 & Technics Sl-1800) paired with good carts (Shure V15 Type V & Denon DL-103R) that I use mostly to digitize the analog vinyl (24 bit ~ 96kHz WAV Files which are then converted to lossless FLAC) to my PC and the results are typically far superior to the CD. Of course you can remove any noise using various editing software which nowadays is virtually automatic, but with good quality recordings on good equipment noise is not an issue. I occasionally enjoy listening to a well mastered vinyl LP, but prefer the convenience of the digital realm so I rip every piece of audio media I have to lossless FLAC files and place them on my media server and play it all via JRiver. IMHO SACD (ripped via original PS3) is the best sounding with DVD-A (ripped with DVD Audio Extractor) very close, next would be Blu-ray audio (ripped with DVD- Audio Extractor) and then digitized Vinyl and finally CDs. Thanks to RMKs tip I am awaiting my PONO player so I will be able to paly my hi-rez audio virtually anywhere. Currently I only listen to MP3s in my cars or on my phone and don't really enjoy the experience much rolleyes.gif

Glad you caught wind of the PONO thing and are taking the plunge too cool.gif. Still interested in those FLAC files and might be nice to get them prior to the GTG so let me know if you have some time next week. It would be fun to play some of your vinyl collection on the 215RT's and do a comparo with the FLAC and MP3. I'm told there is no audible difference and would like to hear for myself.

BTW, I have some company in for the week and we watched Life of PI last night on the jury rigged setup (great movie!) . I've said this before but the Triple 8LP and Slanted 8 center (no subs or surrounds) sounded absolutely fantastic. I'm running the T8's full range (S8 is 80Hz xover) on the LG amp and even the bass was impressive. MV was like -10 ref and my comment to the wife was "could this sound any better"? Makes me think that in a 3600^3 room, the little T8-LP's and a good sub or two is all that is really needed for great HT sound (the musical score sounded fantastic too).

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Glad you caught wind of the PONO thing and are taking the plunge too cool.gif. Still interested in those FLAC files and might be nice to get them prior to the GTG so let me know if you have some time next week. It would be fun to play some of your vinyl collection on the 215RT's and do a comparo with the FLAC and MP3. I'm told there is no audible difference and would like to hear for myself.

BTW, I have some company in for the week and we watched Life of PI last night on the jury rigged setup (great movie!) . I've said this before but the Triple 8LP and Slanted 8 center (no subs or surrounds) sounded absolutely fantastic. I'm running the T8's full range (S8 is 80Hz xover) on the LG amp and even the bass was impressive. MV was like -10 ref and my comment to the wife was "could this sound any better"? Makes me think that in a 3600^3 room, the little T8-LP's and a good sub or two is all that is really needed for great HT sound (the musical score sounded fantastic too).

Here come the 215RT's ... can you say OVERKILL! tongue.gif
Yeah I am excited about the PONO player and having another source for Hi-Rez audio. I will load up my 1TB external drive with vinyl & DVD-A FLAC & SACD ISO files. I could bring them by either Monday, Thursday or Friday just let me know which day and what time. I can also bring by one of my turntables & a portable phono stage along with some actual vinyl if you want to do some comparisons with my vinyl FLACs, CD FLACS & some CD MP3s. I don't have golden ears, but I know what my ears like and most CDs (at least for my musical tastes of classic rock/blues/jazz/folk), especially those that were mastered in the 80s & 90s, are just way to harsh and my ears start to hurt after listening for about 30 minutes at normal levels (-10 for me)eek.gif.

I have been listening to lots of 2 channel & multi-channel music with my current system (LRC ~ T12s, Surrounds ~ Def Tech ProMontior 1000s & 2 SW ~ Seaton HP+ master/slave) and I keep thinking the same thing "it can't get any better", but then I come to AVS and upgrade thoughts takeover rolleyes.gif As you know I am now in the infancy stage of converting my Flat Screen TV/den into a "almost" Home Theater with an AT screen thanks to you and looking at Epson 5030 projector along with some room treatments and curtains to close off the room. I would also like to put my current surrounds as heights and get a pair of slanted 8s for surround duty cool.gif

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Yeah I am excited about the PONO player and having another source for Hi-Rez audio. I will load up my 1TB external drive with vinyl & DVD-A FLAC & SACD ISO files. I could bring them by either Monday, Thursday or Friday just let me know which day and what time. I can also bring by one of my turntables & a portable phono stage along with some actual vinyl if you want to do some comparisons with my vinyl FLACs, CD FLACS & some CD MP3s. I don't have golden ears, but I know what my ears like and most CDs (at least for my musical tastes of classic rock/blues/jazz/folk), especially those that were mastered in the 80s & 90s, are just way to harsh and my ears start to hurt after listening for about 30 minutes at normal levels (-10 for me)eek.gif.

I have been listening to lots of 2 channel & multi-channel music with my current system (LRC ~ T12s, Surrounds ~ Def Tech ProMontior 1000s & 2 SW ~ Seaton HP+ master/slave) and I keep thinking the same thing "it can't get any better", but then I come to AVS and upgrade thoughts takeover rolleyes.gif As you know I am now in the infancy stage of converting my Flat Screen TV/den into a "almost" Home Theater with an AT screen thanks to you and looking at Epson 5030 projector along with some room treatments and curtains to close off the room. I would also like to put my current surrounds as heights and get a pair of slanted 8s for surround duty cool.gif

Thanks, and when properly setup and playing an uncompressed well recorded source, the JTR's (all models) sound wonderful for HT and music.

I'll PM you re the FLAC. A vinyl/FLAC/MP3 comparison would be interesting. We'll have to set that up later in April or May. cool.gif

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The 212 woofers are custom so not commercially available. smile.gif

BTW, the 215 are "shipping tomorrow" so should be here (as in my possession) by Thursday of next week. That give me a day to two to tweak before the Sat GTG. I will start a thread in the HT Meet Thread and put a link in my Sig. Emails and PM's with details will go out this weekend. Looking forward to seeing y'all on the 29th.

Niiiice!

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Thanks, and when properly setup and playing an uncompressed well recorded source, the JTR's (all models) sound wonderful for HT and music.

Yes, what a difference the source makes. With a clean enough, uncompressed master, the SPL that JTR's can reach without fatigue is ridiculous. Add any harshness or compression though and they'll make your ears bleed, lol.
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Dunno exactly, maybe half a dozen. There will be more that heard the Triple12's and the OS's. For sure the majority coming will have HT's with very capable bass systems which puts the pressure on the 215RT's. I have no doubt the 215RT's will sound great but the Noesis 212/OS combo set my HT performance bar very high. 3 skids with over 600lbs of main speakers are on their way so the guessing will be over soon. smile.gifcool.gif

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Guess I don't have to drive to Wisconsin from Illinois to demo speakers. When me and my family fly up for the Axpona 2014. Jeff said he will be attending. Yes, JTR speakers will be at Axpona 2014 as a exhibitor. NICE!! Can't wait!
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