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The Noesis 215RT can be hooked up to any receiver that is 4 ohm capable, just set your mains to "Large" or "fullrange". This works great for music or any other 2 channel source. The only issue is whether or not your receiver can route the LFE to the mains when playing multi channel (dvd, blueray) in which case you can either purchase a receiver that does so or purchase a mixer or DSP. For RMK's, we decided to goes with an external DSP so that I could manually calibrate the system and not have to rely on audyssey. My opinion is having a professional calibrate your system provides better results.
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The Noesis 215RT can be hooked up to any receiver that is 4 ohm capable, just set your mains to "Large" or "fullrange". This works great for music or any other 2 channel source. The only issue is whether or not your receiver can route the LFE to the mains when playing multi channel (dvd, blueray) in which case you can either purchase a receiver that does so or purchase a mixer or DSP. For RMK's, we decided to goes with an external DSP so that I could manually calibrate the system and not have to rely on audyssey. My opinion is having a professional calibrate your system provides better results.

100% agreed. Audyssey and I are not the best of friends, and I have given it plenty of very fair chances.

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Wait, is there another GTG that I'm unaware of? If 212's or 215's will be present, I'm flying in . And buying the pizza. PM me the info!

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100% agreed. Audyssey and I are not the best of friends, and I have given it plenty of very fair chances.
Do you use it with HT?
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Do you use it with HT?

I did for a while, not any longer.

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The Noesis 215RT can be hooked up to any receiver that is 4 ohm capable, just set your mains to "Large" or "fullrange". This works great for music or any other 2 channel source. The only issue is whether or not your receiver can route the LFE to the mains when playing multi channel (dvd, blueray) in which case you can either purchase a receiver that does so or purchase a mixer or DSP. For RMK's, we decided to goes with an external DSP so that I could manually calibrate the system and not have to rely on audyssey. My opinion is having a professional calibrate your system provides better results.

That's good news. My old Pio sc-09tx can do 4 ohms.
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Hey guys, if I don't care about how insanely loud the JTRs can play, how do the 228 and 212 compare with similarly priced home speakers for pure sound quality? I know the 228 and 212 cannot play bass, but I don't care because I will be using sub(s) with my speakers.
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Hey guys, if I don't care about how insanely loud the JTRs can play, how do the 228 and 212 compare with similarly priced home speakers for pure sound quality? I know the 228 and 212 cannot play bass, but I don't care because I will be using sub(s) with my speakers.

The JTR speakers really don't compare to similarly priced home speakers. And that's not to say that you can't find good/great sounding speakers for the price...you may or may not. But Jeff's background is pro audio, which is all about high sensitivity speakers that can play loudly. So think about normal speakers...how many have 12" drivers (in the case of 212) and if they do have 12" drivers, how low do they play? In this case Jeff used his 12" drivers, not to play low, but to keep up with the ultra sensitive compression driver, which is why the speakers have a sensitivity of 100 db while most home speakers are around 89-91. So really the difference is in the dynamics...the 228 and 212 can play loudly while staying ultra clean. Most mainstream speakers start to lose composure when driven to levels that the 212/228 would just laugh at. And its not like all of us on this thread play music or movies loudly all of the time, it really is the dynamics that most of us love about JTR speakers.

Now you are getting this from a JTR thread, that is not to say that the JTR speakers are the end all be all but they are really good and should be on your list of speakers to audition. If you are going for strictly music, there may be better speakers out there but for movies, I doubt you'll find better, especially at the price of the 228s.
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Hey guys, if I don't care about how insanely loud the JTRs can play, how do the 228 and 212 compare with similarly priced home speakers for pure sound quality? I know the 228 and 212 cannot play bass, but I don't care because I will be using sub(s) with my speakers.

I've heard about a half dozen different speakers that are in a similar price bracket as my 228HT's and I still haven't heard a speaker that I preferred. And if I did I would most likely own them smile.gif

My 228's don't need to be played loud to be enjoyed, even at very low levels they sound amazingly crystal clear. I love watching movies with them and music with lots of instrumentals sound awesome.

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I've heard about a half dozen different speakers that are in a similar price bracket as my 228HT's and I still haven't heard a speaker that I preferred. And if I did I would most likely own them smile.gif

My 228's don't need to be played loud to be enjoyed, even at very low levels they sound amazingly crystal clear. I love watching movies with them and music with lots of instrumentals sound awesome.



I need to play loud and clear. To teach my neighbor a lesson with his Bose setup. Thats why I need to seek out all JTR's..lol
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...for movies, I doubt you'll find better, especially at the price of the 228s.
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I've heard about a half dozen different speakers that are in a similar price bracket as my 228HT's and I still haven't heard a speaker that I preferred. And if I did I would most likely own them smile.gif

My 228's don't need to be played loud to be enjoyed, even at very low levels they sound amazingly crystal clear. I love watching movies with them and music with lots of instrumentals sound awesome.
Have you auditioned the JBL Pro Cinema series, especially the 3722N or 4722N which are priced similarly? How do they fare against the JTR?
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Sorry if this is old news but I hadn't seen it posted here yet. From the JTR site:

The Noesis 215RT:
95db/1w (2v)
up to 2000 watts of amplification (program)
18hz-24khz, +/-3db
350hz/6400hz crossover points
215lbs
Matte Black finish: Retail $5299, Internet $3499
Automotive finish: Retail $5999, Internet $3999
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Sorry if this is old news but I hadn't seen it posted here yet. From the JTR site:

The Noesis 215RT:
95db/1w (2v)
up to 2000 watts of amplification (program)
18hz-24khz, +/-3db
350hz/6400hz crossover points
215lbs
Matte Black finish: Retail $5299, Internet $3499
Automotive finish: Retail $5999, Internet $3999
That's getting into Danley price ranges. I hope the next gathering has the Noesis 215 go against some Danley SH50's or SH60's.
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That's getting into Danley price ranges. I hope the next gathering has the Noesis 215 go against some Danley SH50's or SH60's.
we can probably arrange that biggrin.gif
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Bought materials today to build Triple 12 speaker stands, with wheels cause there such a biatch to move mad.gif anti vibration pads, 16mm melamine and flat black, oooohh mean loooking. Will post pics.


I am going to be honest, I was not impressed when I picked up the Triple 12's and auditioned them at the sellers house before taking them. They can play loud but the midrange was harsh and tweeter was just screaming at me. BUT I heard the potential and dismissed initial thoughts because:

They were jammed up against a corner
There was no room treatment
Audyssey had not been run or used
Basically no calibration whats so ever

There were a few moments of wow, but can't judge yet, need to properly set these beasts up.
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Bought materials today to build Triple 12 speaker stands, with wheels cause there such a biatch to move mad.gif anti vibration pads, 16mm melamine and flat black, oooohh mean loooking. Will post pics.


I am going to be honest, I was not impressed when I picked up the Triple 12's and auditioned them at the sellers house before taking them. They can play loud but the midrange was harsh and tweeter was just screaming at me. BUT I heard the potential and dismissed initial thoughts because:

They were jammed up against a corner
There was no room treatment
Audyssey had not been run or used
Basically no calibration whats so ever

There were a few moments of wow, but can't judge yet, need to properly set these beasts up.

I could see that. I have watched a movie in a room fully treated by GIK acoustics with JTR speakers. It sounded amazing. Actually the number one quality was non harshness of the clean clinical sound. The voices were so clear and full you literally think the person is standing in front of you. That was a quintuple CC with the newest compression driver upgrade. Not sure which one but very similar i'm sure to the T 12.
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100% agreed. Audyssey and I are not the best of friends, and I have given it plenty of very fair chances.

look what it did to my post dsp pre Audyssey cal...



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Sorry if this is old news but I hadn't seen it posted here yet. From the JTR site:

The Noesis 215RT:
95db/1w (2v)
up to 2000 watts of amplification (program)
18hz-24khz, +/-3db
350hz/6400hz crossover points
215lbs
Matte Black finish: Retail $5299, Internet $3499
Automotive finish: Retail $5999, Internet $3999

That is an amazing price for what may just be the definitive full range loudspeaker available today. Are there any other speakers that can compete with its dynamics and frequency extension?

I guess there are the Funk Audio 8.7P speakers that retail for $26,875/pair.
8-7p-loudspeakers#
For that price, I could surround myself with with SEVEN 215RTs and still have $2382 left over to pay for shipping and amps. Very different design and goals, though.

The Seaton Cat12Cs can also dig really deep, according to witnessed accounts from a GTG last year where Mark let them loose by activating a full range mode in the DSP.

I'm really waiting for Jeff to unveil the 210RT.

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Sorry if this is old news but I hadn't seen it posted here yet. From the JTR site:

The Noesis 215RT:
95db/1w (2v)
up to 2000 watts of amplification (program)
18hz-24khz, +/-3db
350hz/6400hz crossover points
215lbs
Matte Black finish: Retail $5299, Internet $3499
Automotive finish: Retail $5999, Internet $3999

Where is that on the jtr site? I can't find it... Thanks.
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The Seaton Cat12Cs can also dig really deep, according to witnessed accounts from a GTG last year where Mark let them loose by activating a full range mode in the DSP.
I can attest as I was there and I was shocked at the bass they were sending. Not only that, the power of the bass and how far back in the room it could be felt. It is like they had built in submersives.
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Wait, is there another GTG that I'm unaware of? If 212's or 215's will be present, I'm flying in . And buying the pizza. PM me the info!
I think you are hearing about Axpona in Chicago at the end of April. It is being said Jeff is bringing the new 215's.. Is this true Jeff?
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Where is that on the jtr site? I can't find it... Thanks.

Its not on his site per se but on the JTR forum that links from his site. Here is the URL (last post by Jeff at the bottom of the thread):

http://jtrspeakers.websitetoolbox.com/post/jtr-noesis-floor-standing-full-range-speakers-6631501?trail=30
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we can probably arrange that biggrin.gif

Haha, yup biggrin.gif Does the 212 LP vs. the SH50 count? In that case, it will already be handled by tomorrow!

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What is the advantage of a much lower xo of the HF element (horn loading / compression driver)?
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Maintains better directivity further down the FR band, prevents crossing over in the crucial 1-2khz area where the human ear is the most sensitive, prevents the woofers from having to play to high where they start beaming, improves phase issues inherent of passive crossover designs, etc.....haha

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That is an amazing price for what may just be the definitive full range loudspeaker available today. Are there any other speakers that can compete with its dynamics and frequency extension?

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For that price, I could surround myself with with SEVEN 215RTs and still have $2382 left over to pay for shipping and amps. Very different design and goals, though.

The Seaton Cat12Cs can also dig really deep, according to witnessed accounts from a GTG last year where Mark let them loose by activating a full range mode in the DSP.

I'm really waiting for Jeff to unveil the 210RT.


The 210RT will be an interesting intermediate step but still requires subwoofer support for Home Theater. If it does a good job with 2 channel music by itself, then it's smaller form factor and 38hz extension might be a good option for some.

I have had trouble finding a speaker that is comparable to the 215RT. It is an old concept done in a different way (eg passive with internal crossover and one set of binding posts). For most music, just running them full range range with any amp/receiver is fine but if you want to play a source with an LFE channel you need to mix the LFE into the main speaker channels. There are several ways to do that but it is an additional step so they aren't quite plug and play.

This is in a sense self policing as the 215RT isn't for the average AVR based HT IMHO. Jeff has asked if any AVR can redirect the LFE content to the main speakers on his forum and as far as I can tell, no current model AVR has that capability. If anyone knows of one please do tell ... smile.gif

I really miss seeing them (love the look of the 215's) and may have to reconsider my screen choice ... Calling Seymour AV today to see what can be done. smile.gif
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jdsmoothie got on the 8801 thread and mentioned that the marantz can downmix the LFE channel, and my guess is if it can, the current Denon models would be able to as well, but that is pure speculation.

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Haha, yup biggrin.gif Does the 212 LP vs. the SH50 count? In that case, it will already be handled by tomorrow!
Sweet, looking forward to hearing peoples reviews!
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Sweet, looking forward to hearing peoples reviews!

I compared the 212 HT to Brandon's Danley SH 50 for a few days in my room, it was a lot of fun!! smile.gif


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