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post #151 of 21651 Old 09-06-2009, 09:30 AM
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Thanks for the pics ... so how's it sounding? You mentioned you didn't use the Audyssey Pro but used Jeff's "pro equipment" for the dialing in. I assume that is an EQ and if so, what model and do you like the results?

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We played the gunfight scene from Open Range with the Audyssey on and off this evening. The dynamics seemed to be better with it off. I will have to do some more AB testing to be sure, but I think I will leave it off and get some sort of seperate subwoofer EQ. In fact, with it on, my wife was saying that she thought the Paradigms sounded better. With it off she agreed that the JTR's sounded better.



The low listening levels I was referring to are around -20 db. Every bit of dialogue and the other quiet sounds in the gunfight scene were still discernable which I would expect might have been a problem with my old speakers. The first time we watched the scene, we actually listened at a much lower volume level than it was played in the store and it was still enjoyable.

After that, I turned it up to -5 which is quite a bit louder than I ever played a movie with the old speakers. My wife rarely let me turn it up any louder than -14. However, she did not complain at all about the volume. It just sounded good, and not at all too loud. I imagine that this is the effortless volume that everyone talks about. It is now clear that my old speakers were straining or too much was being asked of my amps. With the JTR's I probably could have got away with reference level listening.

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Thank you for the impressions and picutres of your new Triple 8s..
Where do you have them crossed over to your sub?
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We used Jeff's equipment to dial in the sms-1. We changed a few things in the 9.8's EQ also. I think Mark might be coming close to my area to install a system and I'm going to try to get him to stop by and mess with Audyssey Pro to see what it's all about once and for all. I do like how it's sounding but the Marantz in Bitstream mode does have noticeably more dynamics for good or bad. The integra might be better in this regard for watching a movie and enjoying it as the system stays at more of an even keel without as many peaks from the normal listening level. Strange enough I find that when I send LPCM from my Oppo Bluray player through the Marantz it tames it down somewhat. I think I'm going to keep the Integra as the Marantz would run me $1,500 more. If I'm going to upgrade processors before Mark stops by I think I'm going to go with the Nad M15HD if it ever gets released and if it works flawlessly.




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Thanks for the pics ... so how's it sounding? You mentioned you didn't use the Audyssey Pro but used Jeff's "pro equipment" for the dialing in. I assume that is an EQ and if so, what model and do you like the results?


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Jediun,
Thank you for the impressions and picutres of your new Triple 8s..
Where do you have them crossed over to your sub?
Thanks,
Joe H

I actually have not posted the pictures yet.

Audyssey picked 80 hz for the left and right speakers and 70 hz for the center speaker. I changed the center back to 80 hz.

I will hopefully get get time to take some pictures in the morning.
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I've got an Onkyo 705 and I'm sure to get the most out of these speakers, a little more oomph would be nice.. Has anybody tried them with the Behringer EP2500 or EP4000? These seem to be inexpensive and pump out some nice wattage..
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Pictures of my 2010 JTR Triple 8's with steel grills and top mounted coaxials.





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I got off of the night shift and since the family was out of the house I decided to crank up the volume for some music before going to bed. These speakers are amazing. It is hard to describe other than it sounding and feeling like being at a concert. I will never go back to audiophile speakers.
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Jedirun what material are you using for your room treatments?
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Jedirun,
Try putting a wedge(foam) under the speaker to point them up a little, see if that changes anything.
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Jedirun what material are you using for your room treatments?

The panels in the front of the room are: Owens Corning 703 2" thick behind the speakers, 4" thick in the upper corners

The panels on the sides of the room are: GIK 244 panels, 3 of them

The panels in the back of the room are: Acoustaboard black 8 x 1.5" panels for two 6" thick panels
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Jedirun,
Try putting a wedge(foam) under the speaker to point them up a little, see if that changes anything.

I have been thinking about doing that. I just need to find the right material.

You do not happen to know of anwhere online that would sell a foam wedge do you?

It really sounds good right now as it is. The plan is to eventually go to an acoustically transparent screen, but that will have to wait until the next house.
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I have been thinking about doing that. I just need to find the right material.

You do not happen to know of anwhere online that would sell a foam wedge do you?

It really sounds good right now as it is. The plan is to eventually go to an acoustically transparent screen, but that will have to wait until the next house.

Not sure what your price range is but, I have used these and they work well. You can configure the wedge pieces to change the angle.


http://www.auralex.com/sound_isolati...tion_mopad.asp

They sell them at many music stores online or you if you have a Sam Ash or Guitar center near you.
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really need to stay off the computer, upgraditus is making me want to get some 888's
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I have been thinking about doing that. I just need to find the right material.

You do not happen to know of anwhere online that would sell a foam wedge do you?

It really sounds good right now as it is. The plan is to eventually go to an acoustically transparent screen, but that will have to wait until the next house.

If you want an effective and cheap fix, a doorstop will work great - at least for me it does.
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Not sure what your price range is but, I have used these and they work well. You can configure the wedge pieces to change the angle.


http://www.auralex.com/sound_isolati...tion_mopad.asp

They sell them at many music stores online or you if you have a Sam Ash or Guitar center near you.

I will check those out. It says that they may be in stock at the local Guitar Center.

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If you want an effective and cheap fix, a doorstop will work great - at least for me it does.

I will look into that as well. The center of the coaxial is about 10" below ear height and about 9' away so I only need to raise the front about 1" to have a pretty strait shot.

Thanks guys
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Picked up my triple 8's yesterday from Jeff. Played around with a 2 channel setup but haven't had time to really try (push) them. Meeting Jeff was an extremely nice experience. It's not often you can see your speakers being built in front of your eyes. All I can say is Jeff's work is awesome, fit, finish and attention to detail is excellent. Definitely builds a great solid product that's worth every penny.
BTW....I can already tell my sub (SVS NSD12) cannot keep up with the triple 8's so it's time to start saving again

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Hey Guys,
I'm considering the 2010 888's, but have a few questions. Is there any chance a Pioneer Sc-07 could drives these? I just bought it anticipating buying def tech ST's. I'm reading NO receiver has been used to drive the 888's. Secondly, is there a modestly priced subwoofer (<=$1000) that can keep up with them? Thanks.
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really need to stay off the computer, upgraditus is making me want to get some 888's

You won't regret it.
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Jedirun, you can build an AT screen for cheap. Mine was about $250 total with black velvet borders all the way around. The next step up is about $400 more(more expensive material). My 1080P looks great for a 130 inch screen.
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Hey Guys,
I'm considering the 2010 888's, but have a few questions. Is there any chance a Pioneer Sc-07 could drives these? I just bought it anticipating buying def tech ST's. I'm reading NO receiver has been used to drive the 888's. Secondly, is there a modestly priced subwoofer (<=$1000) that can keep up with them? Thanks.

I have heard this question several times. To finally answer it, I have my Triple 8's hooked up to my Onkyo TX-NR905 and I am currently blasting music at reference level and it sounds great. My receiver is rated at 140 watts at 8 ohms just like the SC-07.

For the modestly priced subwoofer. I would recommend a pair of MFW-15's. It is a Mark Seaton design and you can get a pair for less than $1000.
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Jedirun, you can build an AT screen for cheap. Mine was about $250 total with black velvet borders all the way around. The next step up is about $400 more(more expensive material). My 1080P looks great for a 130 inch screen.

It is very tempting. You are planting some dangerous seeds. I am not sure I want to lose the length in the room and the hope is that we will not be in this house that much longer, but I guess I could move the projector back and lose a couple of feet at the front of the room.
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Hey guys...I own triple 12s for front stage and 888s for surrounds and when I try to set audeyysee on my 876 onkyo they set the speakers all over the place.

Sometimes they set the fronts to full range and other times at 60-70hz-80hz and the tripple 8s get set between 100-140hz. It's diffrent everytime? With my old speakers it was always consistent with the cross over settings. Whats causeing this?

I was wondering being theses speakers have crossovers in them and jeff has spent a lot of RD to get them just right for optimum performance why is it nessary to set a cross over point in the reciever? Why not feed them full range and let the crossover in the speaker do the work?

I've tryed full range and I get a much fuller warm sound from both the 12s and the 888s but I don't want to damage the speakers being most recommend 50hz cross on the 12s and 80hz for the 888s. Is it safe to run the speakers at full range and use just the cross over in the speakers?

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Scott, Audyssey does many strange things and no one but Audyssey can explain why.

Regarding the Xover issue, read this.

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I have heard this question several times. To finally answer it, I have my Triple 8's hooked up to my Onkyo TX-NR905 and I am currently blasting music at reference level and it sounds great. My receiver is rated at 140 watts at 8 ohms just like the SC-07.

For the modestly priced subwoofer. I would recommend a pair of MFW-15's. It is a Mark Seaton design and you can get a pair for less than $1000.

Thanks for the help. I feel an order for some JTR's coming...
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I've thought about a Triple 10 however the Triple 8 and Triple 12 are already so close in output. All ready on the R&D table is the new Growler/Capitvator driver, all new Triple 12 and the *Quintuple*.

I can't believe none of you guys commented on this

Will this be a floor standing speaker with one 12" coax driver and four 12" bass drivers Jeff? That would be something really special!

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I can't believe none of you guys commented on this

Will this be a floor standing speaker with one 12" coax driver and four 12" bass drivers Jeff? That would be something really special!

I believe the quintuple will be using the 8 driver/coax.

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I believe the quintuple will be using the 8 driver/coax.

This is correct. Jeff has talked about them on his forum here: http://jtrspeakers.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3553091
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I posted over on the def tech forum that I was thinking about moving the 7002s with 2002 center and replacing with 888's, was told probably wouldnt be too much difference, anyone here replace def tech bipolars with jtrs?
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I posted over on the def tech forum that I was thinking about moving the 7002s with 2002 center and replacing with 888's, was told probably wouldnt be too much difference, anyone here replace def tech bipolars with jtrs?

I have the same setup but a 2500 center instead and am also looking at three 8's or possibly 2 8's and a 12 for the center.
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I believe the quintuple will be using the 8” driver/coax.

Ok. Interesting. The T12 bass drivers have a total surface area of 226.08"^2. Four 8" bass drivers have a total surface area of 200.96"^2. So I guess the T12HT would still be the ticket for overall slam you in the chest mid-bass, mind you there are other factors to consider. Thoughts of four 12" bass drivers in a single cabinet has me drooling though
Thanks for the clarification RMK! And the link cmryan821.

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Any comments out there about how a 888 compares to a Studio 690, Bigfoot, SalkCenter, etc., for center channel duties?
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