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I think for 6 mil, I would have a nicer looking setup. We are talking 6 million bux! Personally, I do not see how this is 6 million unless it is some type of underground bunker with 24" thick concrete walls or something. Kudos to that guy though for showing off something that we would all enjoy and love to see.

For 6 million dollars, you could buy a huge mansion WITH a home theater in it... and a swimming pool,... and a BMW/Merc, and a couple maids thrown in... and... buy yourself a mail-order-bride...

Alternatively, build a 20 story apartment building, and sit back and collect rent on 100 condo-units...
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Man, I retired from that game weeks ago...! biggrin.gif

I actually went the entire GTG last weekend without having to bring anyone to the table.

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I actually went the entire GTG last weekend without having to bring anyone to the table.

Guess it's a good thing Archaea wasn't there because I hear he is looking for redemption…
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Ok, i know this is totally the wrong thread, but would like to know how high JTR fellows build their risers for the second row? I am thinking 14 inches. Bad / good??

I used 2"X12"'s with 1/2" ply on top, carpeted with a 6" step. That is all you need to see over the front row so anything 12" or more is enough.

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I had a chance to listen to RMK!'s new 215's and they are simply jaw dropping! They were so clear and powerful it was shocking frankly. Anyone who has room and can make it work should go for it. You will not be disappointed.

That said, I do not have room and I don't think I would be married if I spent that kind of money on speakers (if she ever found out!). So with that in mind I am planning on replacing some paradigm signature W5's for a new LCR and I am really torn between going JTR 228, 212 or JBL 4722n. The JBL is listed over $1700 but if you call them it is really closer to $1100 which makes it the cheapest of the bunch. I've heard nothing but great reviews about them for movies as that is what they are designed for but not much with music.


JBL 4722n: $1,100 notnyt has them and they seem pretty impressive here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1525580/ht-of-the-month-ultimate-bass specs here: http://www.fullcompass.com/product/387526.html
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I am planning on doing 2 or possibly 4 big ported subs depending on how I can arrange them.

I'm interested to hear if anyone has any experience with these options and advice for a newb. Thanks!

Hey Mark. Glad you made it to the GTG and sorry we didn't get a chance to talk. Any speaker that doesn't do music well is questionable because movies are to a large extent the sound track. You need to bring the wife over for a movie night and we will play the system at reasonable levels to give her a taste of Home Theater. My wife doesn't like it loud either (something about it makes her ears hurt or, she's concerned about her hearing or other such nonsense tongue.gif) and so we will keep is safe and sane. That will either grease the skids for you or at least let you know where she stands (as friend or foe) in your HT quest. smile.gif

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I used 2"X12"'s with 1/2" ply on top, carpeted with a 6" step. That is all you need to see over the front row so anything 12" or more is enough.

Thanks RMK... I guess it's 14 inch for me then as it's the same height of one of my existing stairs...
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Thanks for the offer Rob! My wife is pretty into home theater, but at the same time I don't think she really cares about all the details. She just wants it to look big and sound good. She thinks it's ridiculous to keep changing things though, as she feels it is "just fine".

And I'm definitely not looking for any arm wrestling competitions.... Maybe there should be a list and we can sign up for all interested in used 212's. Definitely not trying to step on anyone's turf!

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Where do you plan to demo the 215's? I am dying to hear these speakers and have been waiting for a GTG or Jeff sanctioned demo smile.gif

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how many of you put acoustic panels behind your L&R mains?

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how many of you put acoustic panels behind your L&R mains?

I plan on doing this...
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how many of you put acoustic panels behind your L&R mains?

I put acoustic panels behind my L & R. They act as bass traps and acoustic panels (they cover a wide range of frequencies and are 4 inches thick).
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how many of you put acoustic panels behind your L&R mains?
I have a pair of 244 traps behind each speaker L C R. It makes a difference and gives XT32 a better starting point in my system.
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as far as the panels behind the speakers...I am discussing on the REW thread and it seems they are only necessary if you get measured ETC reflections there. I always 'assumed' it was good. anyway I am just on the methodical panel and trap placement approach and just curious how many of you had panels there or perhaps have placed their panels in respect to measurements and not just where seems good.

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My T12HTs pick up bass and XT32 sets the XO at 40hz. The panels audibly clean that bass up and XT32 sets the speakers XO at 60hz.

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Where do you plan to demo the 215's? I am dying to hear these speakers and have been waiting for a GTG or Jeff sanctioned demo smile.gif

Jeff will be at the Axpona this month. And the 215's will be there. And possibly the 210's according to him. Can't wait!
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I was definitely one of those guys that came to avs just looking for a sub upgrade and now I am redoing everything! I first bought an S2 then decided I needed multiples and couldn't afford a bunch of S2's so I'll be building 4 UXL-18 ported boxes to place behind the screen. Now I'm concerned that trying to get the subs in the perfect 1/4 spaces from the walls and floor/ceiling is going to put my mains pretty high up. The screen is 170'' diagonal 16:9 and the midpoint of the screen is about 56" off the ground. I want the center of the subs to be 5' from the corners of a 20' wall and the driver center at 2.5' due to 10' high ceilings. This puts the subs at about 40'' tall and the only options for the mains are to go on top of the subs or to the inside as they can't be placed outside.

I started off thinking of upgrading my paradigm signature W5's to the 228's then considered the very large JBL 4722 and now I'm pretty decided on JTR 212 or Danley sm60f's.

Do you guys think that putting the 212's on top of a 40" stand behind the screen will be ok, or will this place the midpoint too high for a listening position about 15' away on a couch? I will of course brace the speakers so they wont fall so stability isn't an issue, just worried about acoustics.

If this is too high would the danley SM60f work better as it has a pretty high dispersion?

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I was definitely one of those guys that came to avs just looking for a sub upgrade and now I am redoing everything!

I feel for you as my story starts out the same...just wanted a really nice (single) sub. I now have 3 212HT-LP, 4 Slanted 8s, 3 LMS 5400s, and 2 UXL-18s (waiting for 2nd).

Sorry I can't help with the height question as I put my 212s on a 24" built-in and was worried that was high based on what I read. I haven't done any real listening yet since I just built it.

Beast has the Danley SH50 and had the SM60s I believe so you could always PM him.

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Yea, I read through Beast's GTG and seems like the Danley and Noesis are fairly similar with it just coming down to preference. At least that seemed to be what I got out of it. I read about Carp liking some songs better with the Danley's but then also he said they weren't really exciting him about his music as he had no problem turning them off where he says its tough to call it a day with the 212.

Let me know how you like the 212's on your 24'' stand once you get a chance. I'm not sure if it's possible for anyone to test with their 212 to see how different it sounds with them higher on 40'' stands.

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I will be holding a GTG in Central Iowa for the grand opening of the Savoy on 6/28. (see link below).

Also besides the fact that there are 11 JTR speakers in the home theater, Jeff will be bringing the 215's down so everyone can check them out. Please let me know if you have any interest in attending. smile.gif

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I will be holding a GTG in Central Iowa for the grand opening of the Savoy on 6/28. (see link below).

Also besides the fact that there are 11 JTR speakers in the home theater, Jeff will be bringing the 215's down so everyone can check them out. Please let me know if you have any interest in attending. smile.gif

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Ok, i know this is totally the wrong thread, but would like to know how high JTR fellows build their risers for the second row? I am thinking 14 inches. Bad / good??

14" may be a couple more inches than needed, but it will definitely clear the first row. The exact measurement depends on a few variables actually...specific to your seating distance, depth of 2nd seat placement from 1st row, height of screen, and distance of bottom of screen from floor. Last TH I built, the 2nd row platform had to be 14" higher to clear 1st row viewers due to screen height...This was a 175" 16:9 screen, so bottom of screen was only 8-9" above the floor.

Easy way to figure it out...Have someone sit upright in first row and then elevate a chair in second row on a box or 12-14" high table...and place chair about 5-6 feet behind first row...if you can see the entire screen top to bottom over the front row viewer's head, then that's your platform height.

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Yea, I read through Beast's GTG and seems like the Danley and Noesis are fairly similar with it just coming down to preference. At least that seemed to be what I got out of it. I read about Carp liking some songs better with the Danley's but then also he said they weren't really exciting him about his music as he had no problem turning them off where he says its tough to call it a day with the 212.

Let me know how you like the 212's on your 24'' stand once you get a chance. I'm not sure if it's possible for anyone to test with their 212 to see how different it sounds with them higher on 40'' stands.

I actually don't think they're that similar as they have different characteristics. But it's like comparing a high-end Porsche and Ferrari; they're not the same but they are so awesome, you could get used to either of them and be smiling the whole time. Me, I'm a Porsche man even though I've never driven one. But damn if I wouldn't take a comparable Ferrari in a heart beat. I like the Noesis but if I had to "settle" with the Danley's, I'd have a smile on my face the whole time.

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Yea, I read through Beast's GTG and seems like the Danley and Noesis are fairly similar with it just coming down to preference. At least that seemed to be what I got out of it. I read about Carp liking some songs better with the Danley's but then also he said they weren't really exciting him about his music as he had no problem turning them off where he says its tough to call it a day with the 212.

Let me know how you like the 212's on your 24'' stand once you get a chance. I'm not sure if it's possible for anyone to test with their 212 to see how different it sounds with them higher on 40'' stands.

I love my 212's, but I admit I can't get those Danley's off my mind. They really drew me in at the gtg.
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If the prices were about the same would it change your mind? Also, which one do you think would do better being placed on a 40" shelf? I'll be about 15' back from speakers.

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