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This is a nice unit.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1524857/onkyo-pr-sc5509-preamp-processor-reduced

Thanks for the link, just bought this!!

Good!

That's a full featured preamp at a great price! You should really like it!

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Sorry I was thinking his new Slanted style cabinets...LOL
My bad.

The new slanted cabinets will be a ported 8 or a sealed 10.

Please PM me what you think of them once you have a chance to listen.

They sound like really good deals and when you start talking about 9.1 and beyond, the surrounds can add up in price pretty quick.
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Please PM me what you think of them once you have a chance to listen.

They sound like really good deals and when you start talking about 9.1 and beyond, the surrounds can add up in price pretty quick.

Tell me about it, I'd love to buy four Slant 8's for surrounds. But after taxes, exchange rate because I'm in Canada and shipping I think they'd end up costing me over 5 grand! eek.gif And I'm pretty sure that would lead to my wife leaving me!...lol

For sure, once Erich is selling them I'll order a pair and let you know how they sound.
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buy used, they go pretty cheap.
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buy used, they go pretty cheap.

If you're referring to my post on the Slant 8's; they hardly ever come up for sale used. And even when they do it's not like they're half price.
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This is a nice unit.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1524857/onkyo-pr-sc5509-preamp-processor-reduced
Any HDMI or overheat issue?
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This is a nice unit.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1524857/onkyo-pr-sc5509-preamp-processor-reduced
Any HDMI or overheat issue?

I'm not associated with seller in any way so I don't know, but it seemed a reaonable price for a full featured preamp. If I'm not mistaken the seller is the owner of hometheatershack, so he's probably a trustworthy seller.

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I'm not associated with seller in any way so I don't know, but it seemed a reaonable price for a full featured preamp. If I'm not mistaken the seller is the owner of hometheatershack, so he's probably a trustworthy seller.
I might have jumped on this if I would have seen it sooner. But we'll see what is around when I am done my room.
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Yes Sonnie in Alabama is the HTS guy so prob the same lol!

So I need advice on my next move gentlemen. I am selling the 7350 and selling my 3313 and want to get an AVR to run the speakers. Feels like moving backwards in a way if I'm truly honest. But I know my 98db sensitive speakers could be powered by a fly on a bicycle! Besides I don't have any money on the horizon to funnel into my setup so its selling and buying for me. So the amp section should provide zero audible difference but an upgrade to XT32 will be noticeable. Chris you had mentioned earlier the X4000 had a 4 ohm selection but in searching I found guys saying it didn't. Also one guy making comments the sound was much more (robust, fuller, etc) in an X4000 to 4520 exchange. But thats brushing up against snake oil stuff. Just want to make the best move here is all...I could just stay with my 3313, which has been flawless, and get an XPA-5 which Madaeel had success from the 7350 to an XPA-5 in being quieter. Or go with an X4000 and then some Volt 8 surrounds, or...what say you?
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Yes Sonnie in Alabama is the HTS guy so prob the same lol!

So I need advice on my next move gentlemen. I am selling the 7350 and selling my 3313 and want to get an AVR to run the speakers. Feels like moving backwards in a way if I'm truly honest. But I know my 98db sensitive speakers could be powered by a fly on a bicycle! Besides I don't have any money on the horizon to funnel into my setup so its selling and buying for me. So the amp section should provide zero audible difference but an upgrade to XT32 will be noticeable. Chris you had mentioned earlier the X4000 had a 4 ohm selection but in searching I found guys saying it didn't. Also one guy making comments the sound was much more (robust, fuller, etc) in an X4000 to 4520 exchange. But thats brushing up against snake oil stuff. Just want to make the best move here is all...I could just stay with my 3313, which has been flawless, and get an XPA-5 which Madaeel had success from the 7350 to an XPA-5 in being quieter. Or go with an X4000 and then some Volt 8 surrounds, or...what say you?

Have u considered onkyo? You can pick up a 3010 for real cheap used. I am using the 2 year old model 3009 and I can challenge almost any hi fi system available in my country.
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Yes Sonnie in Alabama is the HTS guy so prob the same lol!

So I need advice on my next move gentlemen. I am selling the 7350 and selling my 3313 and want to get an AVR to run the speakers. Feels like moving backwards in a way if I'm truly honest. But I know my 98db sensitive speakers could be powered by a fly on a bicycle! Besides I don't have any money on the horizon to funnel into my setup so its selling and buying for me. So the amp section should provide zero audible difference but an upgrade to XT32 will be noticeable. Chris you had mentioned earlier the X4000 had a 4 ohm selection but in searching I found guys saying it didn't. Also one guy making comments the sound was much more (robust, fuller, etc) in an X4000 to 4520 exchange. But thats brushing up against snake oil stuff. Just want to make the best move here is all...I could just stay with my 3313, which has been flawless, and get an XPA-5 which Madaeel had success from the 7350 to an XPA-5 in being quieter. Or go with an X4000 and then some Volt 8 surrounds, or...what say you?
The 4311 has the selection of 4, 6, or 8ohm. After I posted that it was pointed out to me that selecting 8ohm is still the best option. My sc-37 and 57 did not have this option but was flawless when driving 4ohm loads. The modern day high quality avr will work great with any JTR speaker past or present. I believe the X4000 is the new 3313 w/XT32 and has about the same options as the old 4311 minus some power in the amp section. The 4520 is the Sh*t so if its an option go for it. The amp section is more powerful then the X4000.
I would take the 4520 over a X4000 + XPA-5 any day of the week when driving JTR speakers. Maybe get a 3 channel amp later on if desired. smile.gif
The 3010 CG mentioned is also a VERY nice option. Having T8s makes it easy for any avr to drive. I would keep it simple and get something with XT32 to go with your well treated room. smile.gif
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I have to say, it's very tempting to jump on this AVR only bandwagon. I know my 4311 is more than capable of doing my 212's, but it's the other 4 - for a total of 7 - that concerns me. They are around 98 dB sensitive, so not too bad, but still...

The reason I'm even thinking of it is that the 212's are are full 6 dB more sensitive than the Danley's! And they're rated at 99 dB.

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I just sold a Onkyo pro 5507 here,should have asked for more $ but its a couple of generations older than 5509
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The 4311 has the selection of 4, 6, or 8ohm. After I posted that it was pointed out to me that selecting 8ohm is still the best option. My sc-37 and 57 did not have this option but was flawless when driving 4ohm loads. The modern day high quality avr will work great with any JTR speaker past or present. I believe the X4000 is the new 3313 w/XT32 and has about the same options as the old 4311 minus some power in the amp section. The 4520 is the Sh*t so if its an option go for it. The amp section is more powerful then the X4000.
I would take the 4520 over a X4000 + XPA-5 any day of the week when driving JTR speakers. Maybe get a 3 channel amp later on if desired. smile.gif
The 3010 CG mentioned is also a VERY nice option. Having T8s makes it easy for any avr to drive. I would keep it simple and get something with XT32 to go with your well treated room. smile.gif
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I have the 4311 which I always leave set to 8ohm because that was what was recommended. I have used an emotiva XPA-5, Cinepro 3k6 and Cinepro 1k2 with the 4311 and have found no difference in my environment with the exception that with any of the amps I get noticeable hiss and with the 4311 only it is perfectly quiet. I have tried cheater plugs, hum destroyers, running an extension cord to other outlets & circuits without success (I haven't tried XLR's because that would require another purchase of a pre/pro with xlr inputs). For me, the AVR is the only quiet solution biggrin.gif. If I were making a purchase now I would look for a gently used Denon 4520 : cool.gif

EDIT: I want to add that in my small room 14' X 14' audyssey maxes the levels at -12 for the LCR T12s so I have to use SPL meter and a audio test disc to set reference at -5 dB instead of 0. Since they are internal amps you can't use attenuators as you can with separate amps - not a big deal to me, but it might bother some eek.gif

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I have to say, it's very tempting to jump on this AVR only bandwagon. I know my 4311 is more than capable of doing my 212's, but it's the other 4 - for a total of 7 - that concerns me. They are around 98 dB sensitive, so not too bad, but still...

The reason I'm even thinking of it is that the 212's are are full 6 dB more sensitive than the Danley's! And they're rated at 99 dB.

I know, I know. It's been said a thousand times here...tongue.gifbiggrin.gif
Doc, have you been testing out the SH60's vs the 212's? Did you make a decision or just keeping everything? The 212 are 101db sensitive correct?

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Doc, have you been testing out the SH60's vs the 212's? Did you make a decision or just keeping everything? The 212 are 101db sensitive correct?

Of course I've been testing biggrin.gif. No decision yet, all I can say is the Danley's are a phenomenal speaker with strengths and weaknesses that are different from the 212's. As an overall package my impression is that they are both phenomenal speakers and I would be more than happy to have either in my room.

The problem is I have to make a decision eventually. This is not going to be easy. smile.gif

Also, I think the 212's are closer to 103-105 dB sensitive. They are a full 6 dB more sensitive than the Danley's which Tom rates at 99 dB.
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Of course I've been testing biggrin.gif. No decision yet, all I can say is the Danley's are a phenomenal speaker with strengths and weaknesses that are different from the 212's. As an overall package my impression is that they are both phenomenal speakers and I would be more than happy to have either in my room.

The problem is I have to make a decision eventually. This is not going to be easy. smile.gif

Also, I think the 212's are closer to 103-105 dB sensitive. They are a full 6 dB more sensitive than the Danley's which Tom rates at 99 dB.

I think you might be right. I have the Slanted 8s, which are rated at 98dB but they sounded like 6-8dB less sensitive than the 212s.

I tried switching from front stage between the 212s and Slanted 8s, and I had to turn the volume up about 8 dB to get 'close' to the volume level....

So, the 212s might be under-rated.
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I just got done ripping myself away from some Dylan on the Danley's so I could get some sleep. I just can't help believing that these 60's are not the same speaker you were listening to. I mean I know they're not the same, but my point is that these 60's are everything I heard at the gtg. I just can't help but think your impressions would be different if you were listening to the 60's instead of the 50's. I'm seriously smitten with Tom right now.

This is not to bash my 212's, because they're awesome too. But I have to admit that the Danley's are seriously growing on me.

I know this is the JTR thread and I don't want to upset anyone tongue.gifbiggrin.gif. But I think honest opinions are beneficial to everyone and I look at JTR and Danley as two peas in a pod. Different colors of green, but both peas nonetheless. biggrin.gif

This is a serious dilemma. Two phenomenal speakers. What to do...
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The 4311 has the selection of 4, 6, or 8ohm. After I posted that it was pointed out to me that selecting 8ohm is still the best option. My sc-37 and 57 did not have this option but was flawless when driving 4ohm loads. The modern day high quality avr will work great with any JTR speaker past or present. I believe the X4000 is the new 3313 w/XT32 and has about the same options as the old 4311 minus some power in the amp section. The 4520 is the Sh*t so if its an option go for it. The amp section is more powerful then the X4000.
I would take the 4520 over a X4000 + XPA-5 any day of the week when driving JTR speakers. Maybe get a 3 channel amp later on if desired. smile.gif
The 3010 CG mentioned is also a VERY nice option. Having T8s makes it easy for any avr to drive. I would keep it simple and get something with XT32 to go with your well treated room. smile.gif
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I have the 4311 which I always leave set to 8ohm because that was what was recommended. I have used an emotiva XPA-5, Cinepro 3k6 and Cinepro 1k2 with the 4311 and have found no difference in my environment with the exception that with any of the amps I get noticeable hiss and with the 4311 only it is perfectly quiet. I have tried cheater plugs, hum destroyers, running an extension cord to other outlets & circuits without success (I haven't tried XLR's because that would require another purchase of a pre/pro with xlr inputs). For me, the AVR is the only quiet solution biggrin.gif. If I were making a purchase now I would look for a gently used Denon 4520 : cool.gif

EDIT: I want to add that in my small room 14' X 14' audyssey maxes the levels at -12 for the LCR T12s so I have to use SPL meter and a audio test disc to set reference at -5 dB instead of 0. Since they are internal amps you can't use attenuators as you can with separate amps - not a big deal to me, but it might bother some eek.gif
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I may spring for the 4520...
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Have u considered onkyo? You can pick up a 3010 for real cheap used. I am using the 2 year old model 3009 and I can challenge almost any hi fi system available in my country.

yea that is also a viable option. here is one...
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR3010-9-2-Channel-Certified-Receiver/dp/B008J834YY

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1500202/onkyo-3010#post_24619861

or this one here looks to be nearly the same
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR929-9-2-Channel-Receiver-Electronics/dp/B00CO07C6E/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1397807668&sr=1-8&keywords=onkyo

It seems though the Denon 4520 is the only 4 ohm "certified" AVR if that actually means anything. I think I can find a 4520 for around this price too. Now was this 3010 model affected by the Onkyo HDMI board failure they were having?

What about you JTR guys, if you were getting an AVR to power your speakers what one would you get?

I'm really not picky with features I need. Just XT32 with sub EQ and HDMI out to zone 2 as I connect my monitor on zone 2. Then just able to power 5 channels of LCR Triple 8's and soon to be Volt 8 surrounds.

Another thing is I can spring for the Denon X4000 bundled with Denons blu ray player for 1499. Will get past the PS3 load times lol!
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I think you might be right. I have the Slanted 8s, which are rated at 98dB but they sounded like 6-8dB less sensitive than the 212s.
Hey CG the Slanted 8 is actually a 95db 8ohm speaker.smile.gif http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/slanted-8/
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Yes Sonnie in Alabama is the HTS guy so prob the same lol!

So I need advice on my next move gentlemen. I am selling the 7350 and selling my 3313 and want to get an AVR to run the speakers. Feels like moving backwards in a way if I'm truly honest. But I know my 98db sensitive speakers could be powered by a fly on a bicycle! Besides I don't have any money on the horizon to funnel into my setup so its selling and buying for me. So the amp section should provide zero audible difference but an upgrade to XT32 will be noticeable. Chris you had mentioned earlier the X4000 had a 4 ohm selection but in searching I found guys saying it didn't. Also one guy making comments the sound was much more (robust, fuller, etc) in an X4000 to 4520 exchange. But thats brushing up against snake oil stuff. Just want to make the best move here is all...I could just stay with my 3313, which has been flawless, and get an XPA-5 which Madaeel had success from the 7350 to an XPA-5 in being quieter. Or go with an X4000 and then some Volt 8 surrounds, or...what say you?


I don't suppose you'll be waiting long to make your move. In a month I should have my theater set up. Initially I'm going to power 3 212's and 4 slanted 8's with an X-4000. If it doesn't work out I'll get separate amplification for the fronts.

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yea that is also a viable option. here is one...
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR3010-9-2-Channel-Certified-Receiver/dp/B008J834YY

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1500202/onkyo-3010#post_24619861

or this one here looks to be nearly the same
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR929-9-2-Channel-Receiver-Electronics/dp/B00CO07C6E/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1397807668&sr=1-8&keywords=onkyo

It seems though the Denon 4520 is the only 4 ohm "certified" AVR if that actually means anything. I think I can find a 4520 for around this price too. Now was this 3010 model affected by the Onkyo HDMI board failure they were having?

What about you JTR guys, if you were getting an AVR to power your speakers what one would you get?

I'm really not picky with features I need. Just XT32 with sub EQ and HDMI out to zone 2 as I connect my monitor on zone 2. Then just able to power 5 channels of LCR Triple 8's and soon to be Volt 8 surrounds.

Another thing is I can spring for the Denon X4000 bundled with Denons blu ray player for 1499. Will get past the PS3 load times lol!

Onkyo is stable to 4 ohm. It even has a settings to set to 4Ohms... I have never encountered clipping on my Onkyo 3009 and I am blasting my room down...

Another reason I like the Onkyo receiver is because I love their THX Movie mode. That mode makes everything sounds better. I am not sure other separates have modes i'll like. For example, the THX Movie mode on the Onkyo was better than the Movie mode on my old Marantz. And a lot better than my Brother's cheaper Yamaha... So, when it comes to receivers, what modes they have is important.

Maybe find a shop that have returns policy and have a listen to each receiver until you like one...
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Hey CG the Slanted 8 is actually a 95db 8ohm speaker.smile.gif http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/slanted-8/
The Triple 8s are 98db.
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Ah, no wonder!!!
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yea that is also a viable option. here is one...
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR3010-9-2-Channel-Certified-Receiver/dp/B008J834YY

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1500202/onkyo-3010#post_24619861

or this one here looks to be nearly the same
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR929-9-2-Channel-Receiver-Electronics/dp/B00CO07C6E/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1397807668&sr=1-8&keywords=onkyo

It seems though the Denon 4520 is the only 4 ohm "certified" AVR if that actually means anything. I think I can find a 4520 for around this price too. Now was this 3010 model affected by the Onkyo HDMI board failure they were having?

What about you JTR guys, if you were getting an AVR to power your speakers what one would you get?

I'm really not picky with features I need. Just XT32 with sub EQ and HDMI out to zone 2 as I connect my monitor on zone 2. Then just able to power 5 channels of LCR Triple 8's and soon to be Volt 8 surrounds.

Another thing is I can spring for the Denon X4000 bundled with Denons blu ray player for 1499. Will get past the PS3 load times lol!

JL, just a few points from the above:

  • If you're only going to run 5 (or perhaps 7) channels, you should check around for an Onkyo TX-NR1010. Two less amplified channels is the only appreciable difference between it and the 3010. (BTW, the seller is incorrect in his claim that the 3010 is the flagship. The TX-NR5010 is.)
  • The Onkyo 929 is not quite as capable amplifier-wise as the 1010, 3010 and 5010 models (THX Select -v- THX Ultra certified). Perhaps more importantly, AFAIK the 929's implementation of XT32 does not include SubEQ HT and it does not have independent sub pre-outs. The x010 models do have SubEQ HT and independent sub pre-outs though.
  • An AVR carrying a THX certification (e.g. Onkyo, Pioneer) is effectively 4Ω rated. [THX certified speakers can be 3.2Ω min. (4Ω nom.) impedance.]
  • I did a bit of theorising in this post about how loud the Denon 4520 would play the 228HT's. Your T8's would be the same. Interestingly, the Denon X4000's 125W (8Ω, 20Hz – 20kHz, 0.05% T.H.D.) continuous power and 190W (2 channel, 4Ω) dynamic power would in theory only be down about 1dB and 2dB respectively on the 4520's figures. The Onkyos are within an academic 0.3dB of the 4520's figures.

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From page 202 of the Denon AVR-4520CI's Owners Manual:
• Continuous rating of 150W is 21.8dB gain [ dB = 10 x Log (Pout / Pin) ]; call it 22dB gain. So on a continuous/sustained basis, driving two channels, the 228HT's would theoretically reach: 98dB + 22dB = 120dBSPL @ 1m. The 212HT's would theoretically be 3dB louder, so: 123dBSPL @ 1m.

• Dynamic rating (T.H.D. unspecified?) of 280W (into 4Ω say) is 24.5dB gain, call it 24dB gain. So on a dynamic/peak basis, driving two channels, the 228HT's would theoretically reach: 98dB + 24dB = 122dBSPL @ 1m. The 212HT's would theoretically be 3dB louder, so: 125dBSPL @ 1m.

For the 228HT's, 115dBSPL @ 1m requires 17dB gain or 50W from the amp. For the 212HT's, 115dBSPL @ 1m requires 3dB less gain (half power) or 25W* from the amp.

That's what I reckon, but I defer to the masters. smile.gif

This is why I lust after the Noesis 212HT-LP. biggrin.gif

Edit: ^^ That, and this:

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Dug up your post you linked above Gieger, good stuff.
In my room I have to boost up the 228's by 5 db's to match the 212's. I don't really understand how sensitivity works but every speaker I've had in here has been lower than it's rated sensitivity compared to the 212's including other HE designs like eD Cinemas, SEOS DIY speakers, and even Danley's and other JTR's. Some by a LOT.
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