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I am stuck with this very same decision. I'm width constrained, so whether I go scope or 16:9 screen dimensions, the size of the scope picture will not change. It just seems like I'm throwing away a lot of 16:9 size for no good reason aside from the bars that really don't bother me much on my plasma now

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I am stuck with this very same decision. I'm width constrained, so whether I go scope or 16:9 screen dimensions, the size of the scope picture will not change. It just seems like I'm throwing away a lot of 16:9 size for no good reason aside from the bars that really don't bother me much on my plasma now

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I am not sure if this applies to you.. but I look at it this way. I want the largest screen possible.

So, for me, i'll see where the limitations is.. is it the height of the place or the width.. i'll go as large as is possible... for instance if you have a very wide room, but your ceiling isn't very high, then go scope.... so, even at scope your screen is from 20 inches above ground all the way up to almost the ceiling... so, when you're watching 16:9 that's the largest 16:9 you could get anyways...

In my case, my width is limited.. so i went with 16:9, which, when watching scope movies, it'll be the 'longest' as well (as if i chose scope to begin with).

I really like the immersive experience, so sitting near, with as large a screen in front of me as possible..

Plus, I believe there will be more and more movies in 16:9 eventually.. like Avatar 16:9 3D is just awesome if you have a screen in 16:9 format wall to wall, floor to ceiling...
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CG, use www.bobgolds.com to look at absorbtion coefficients for all sorts of materials.

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Solid. So for movies that switch ratios in the middle for IMAX content, like Tron and TDK, I guess you are kind of out of luck for those particular scenes no?

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I'm not an expert on acoustics but I would think the less dense material will be more absorbent to more frequencies, but it won't attenuate the deeper frequencies as much unless you use several inches. So if you are going to be at 4 or more inches in the corner then I'd get the S60, thinner than 4" then go for the 80. Also, if you find that your traps might need more than one package of insulation then get both and put the 60 in front to handle more frequencies and the 80 behind to handle the lower frequencies. Hopefully someone more versed can validate or correct my theories.

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Yea, really beast, you're the only one around here that clogs up the thread with your off-topic nonsense. Please move it off this laser focused thread immediately.

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I am stuck with this very same decision. I'm width constrained, so whether I go scope or 16:9 screen dimensions, the size of the scope picture will not change. It just seems like I'm throwing away a lot of 16:9 size for no good reason aside from the bars that really don't bother me much on my plasma now

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Haha. Same thing with me. The screen will be the same width regardless. Maybe I will just wait until Rich can get some of those top/bottom masking panels to turn 16:9 to 2.35:1. That could be the best of both worlds come to think of it. The main reason I began thinking about widescreen format is my second row can't see the bottom of the screen with 16:9 content and I don't want to raise the riser any more than it already is so I am kind of at a standstill.

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I will bite on this a bit. I am certainly on the lower end of experience with high end speakers but I feel I have enough experience and listening enough to tell why JTR's are good! Everyone knows JTR's are known for the high sensitivity ratings and ability to play extremely loud! And with minimal power, minus the 215 210 new models. We see this in Archaea's youtube video of powering two 212 Noesis with 1 single watt each at reference level volume. I think some audio snobs turn away from JTR because they assume all they do is play loud and sound decent doing so. Also the looks may drive some away. But for those looking for good sound I believe JTR's are the answer. Lower listening levels are great too, just ask Goodoc. He has lost sleep over his 212's like others. I spent an entire long day in Seattle at Kris Deerings GTG last year and spent lots of time listening too a set of flagship Paradigm towers downstairs and Legacy Audio sent him a set of 5 Legacy Focus SE model speaker (2 towers, center and two surrounds). They both sounded great and I would be happy with either in my home. But in the real world price is also a factor and even if I took home 10k a month you wouldn't see me buying the Legacies. They were extremely precise, accurate and very nice overall. But to me they just sounded like a set of good sounding speakers that had a tie bit of upper harshness. During this GTG I was offered to stay at Bill's, bsoko2, house. He has a 7 channel JTR system of Triple 8 surrounds x4 and LCR Quintuples. We watched the movie Oblivion the night before and it was great. I swore Tom Cruise was in the room during vocal scenes. I came away from that weekend liking the JTR sound best. THE number one factor I most enjoyed and solidified my future JTR seeking was there was no harshness anywhere! Even right now as I listen to my Triple 8's the cleanness and absolute zero distortion is key. My first system was a 7 channel Definitive Technology system consisting of L&R towers that were $2,000 retail each! That system was better than most american families will ever have but I could only go so loud until it would distort and I would have to turn it down. Right now as I type I am listening to lossless audio files through iTunes as well a a CD at -3 to -6. And it doesn't seem loud. Remember distortion sounds loud and makes one think the volume is too loud when it's just distortion they are hearing. People have claimed that well over reference on JTR's doesn't sound that loud. I have hit +16 over reference with the Dolby music listening preset and like +10 with stereo listening preset and the cleanness is just unreal! But it's not all about loudness I know. But I think the fact that these can play so loud with no distortion means that normal loud and reference are both so distortion free.

Thank you for addressing the low level capability of the JTR's. I've been waiting for someone to comment on how these speakers sound at low to moderate listening volumes. Everyone always comments on how these sound at reference and how loud they can go, but I have little to no reference playing music or HT at reference. I need a speaker that creates a sense of depth, spaciousness and detail at low volumes. Unfortunately I live in Los Angeles and have no way of auditioning these speakers. So I have no choice but to scour this thread for listening impressions with the intention of buying these speakers without even hearing them first. If anybody else can comment on the low to moderate volume performance of these speakers pleaese chime in.

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Thank you for addressing the low level capability of the JTR's. I've been waiting for someone to comment on how these speakers sound at low to moderate listening volumes. Everyone always comments on how these sound at reference and how loud they can go, but I have little to no reference playing music or HT at reference. I need a speaker that creates a sense of depth, spaciousness and detail at low volumes. Unfortunately I live in Los Angeles and have no way of auditioning these speakers. So I have no choice but to scour this thread for listening impressions with the intention of buying these speakers without even hearing them first. If anybody else can comment on the low to moderate volume performance of these speakers pleaese chime in.

My listening levels are in -12 to -5 below reference range and I can vouch for the quality and clarity of 212s (and quintuples, which were my mains before I bought 212s) at these levels. My wife often listens to music at significantly lower volumes and the speakers maintain the same clarity and depth.

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Thank you for addressing the low level capability of the JTR's. I've been waiting for someone to comment on how these speakers sound at low to moderate listening volumes. Everyone always comments on how these sound at reference and how loud they can go, but I have little to no reference playing music or HT at reference. I need a speaker that creates a sense of depth, spaciousness and detail at low volumes. Unfortunately I live in Los Angeles and have no way of auditioning these speakers. So I have no choice but to scour this thread for listening impressions with the intention of buying these speakers without even hearing them first. If anybody else can comment on the low to moderate volume performance of these speakers pleaese chime in.

Whatever you do having a properly treated room and dealing with specular reflections and reducing modal ringing will be a great push to clarity.

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I am not sure if this applies to you.. but I look at it this way. I want the largest screen possible.

So, for me, i'll see where the limitations is.. is it the height of the place or the width.. i'll go as large as is possible... for instance if you have a very wide room, but your ceiling isn't very high, then go scope.... so, even at scope your screen is from 20 inches above ground all the way up to almost the ceiling... so, when you're watching 16:9 that's the largest 16:9 you could get anyways...

In my case, my width is limited.. so i went with 16:9, which, when watching scope movies, it'll be the 'longest' as well (as if i chose scope to begin with).

I really like the immersive experience, so sitting near, with as large a screen in front of me as possible..

Plus, I believe there will be more and more movies in 16:9 eventually.. like Avatar 16:9 3D is just awesome if you have a screen in 16:9 format wall to wall, floor to ceiling...

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Haha. Same thing with me. The screen will be the same width regardless. Maybe I will just wait until Rich can get some of those top/bottom masking panels to turn 16:9 to 2.35:1. That could be the best of both worlds come to think of it. The main reason I began thinking about widescreen format is my second row can't see the bottom of the screen with 16:9 content and I don't want to raise the riser any more than it already is so I am kind of at a standstill.

Seems we all kind of feel the same way about it here. It's just that I get sucked into a cult-like trance when I visit that 2.35:1 Constant Image Height thread and I start thinking that life is just not worth living if it means being stuck with a 16:9 aspect ratio...smile.gif
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I had a hard debate for 2:35 vs 16:9. I game a lot so I went for 16:9. Ive yet to regret going that route. But ifI was movies only, Id for sure go 2:35.

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I had a hard debate for 2:35 vs 16:9. I game a lot so I went for 16:9. Ive yet to regret going that route. But ifI was movies only, Id for sure go 2:35.

I quoted this one but based on what I've been reading in the previous posts, if I'm height-limited, I should go for 2.35-2.4 and then 16x9 will be the same height but not as wide. I'm looking at the Seymour electric screen with electric masking, which should be exactly what I need. I'm pretty sure everything I wrote is correct but it would be nice to have validation...of my ideas, not personal validation. smile.gif

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I quoted this one but based on what I've been reading in the previous posts, if I'm height-limited, I should go for 2.35-2.4 and then 16x9 will be the same height but not as wide. I'm looking at the Seymour electric screen with electric masking, which should be exactly what I need. I'm pretty sure everything I wrote is correct but it would be nice to have validation...of my ideas, not personal validation. smile.gif

In your circumstances (width limited) it makes perfect sense to go 16:9 with a masking solution. I would do the same.

I had some flexibility with the seating position, and also some (but not a lot of) flexibility with the width. I discussed the screen dimensions with Chris Seymour over the phone and went with his advise. My 125" diagonal scope screen from a 11 feet distance is very immersive, and the masked 16:9 image is reasonably big but not equally immersive.
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In your circumstances (width limited) it makes perfect sense to go 16:9 with a masking solution. I would do the same.

Actually, I'm height limited. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm planning to buy a 2.35 motorized screen with electric masking on the sides so that means I'm at a constant height (16:9, 2.35) for the screen with the 16x9 having less width than 2.35.

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on the phone with Emotiva about the 7350 noise issue...

And entirely unfruitful. Basically I am stuck with it they said. Very frustrating since someone recently posted the got their 999 back and got an XPA-5 and it was quiet and only power noise from 10-12 inches from tweeter...

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Thanks for the feedback. I bought the Sherbourn 7030 preamp and it has a few issues that will likely never be fixed. I don't think I'll ever buy a piece of Emotiva equipment.

Yea i'm a bit irritated since someone else was refunded. They said they didn't know what I was talking about. I said, "well eihter it happened or he is lying lol." I may eventually find a buyer and never buy from them again. Go iNuke's or crown's perhaps. Or just run off of my AVR since i'm crossed to a couple Seaton Submersives lol. Basically they told me i'm doing it wrong because I don't have a dedicated circuit, 20 amp etc. I know the perfect world conditions it should be set up in but I also know 99% if it was in those conditions it wouldn't change. I have tried multiple circuits with nothing at all on etc. I know for a fact it's amp noise!

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Haha. Same thing with me. The screen will be the same width regardless. Maybe I will just wait until Rich can get some of those top/bottom masking panels to turn 16:9 to 2.35:1. That could be the best of both worlds come to think of it. The main reason I began thinking about widescreen format is my second row can't see the bottom of the screen with 16:9 content and I don't want to raise the riser any more than it already is so I am kind of at a standstill.

Keep in mind that a 150" diagonal 2:35 screen = 120" diagonal 16:9. So you still get great size 16:9 screen for anything that benefits from that ratio.

I'm still considering this route and possible add curtains for masking duties, but likely not even needed since it's dark anyway.

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Yea i'm a bit irritated since someone else was refunded. They said they didn't know what I was talking about. I said, "well eihter it happened or he is lying lol." I may eventually find a buyer and never buy from them again. Go iNuke's or crown's perhaps. Or just run off of my AVR since i'm crossed to a couple Seaton Submersives lol. Basically they told me i'm doing it wrong because I don't have a dedicated circuit, 20 amp etc. I know the perfect world conditions it should be set up in but I also know 99% if it was in those conditions it wouldn't change. I have tried multiple circuits with nothing at all on etc. I know for a fact it's amp noise!

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Yea i'm a bit irritated since someone else was refunded. They said they didn't know what I was talking about. I said, "well eihter it happened or he is lying lol." I may eventually find a buyer and never buy from them again. Go iNuke's or crown's perhaps. Or just run off of my AVR since i'm crossed to a couple Seaton Submersives lol. Basically they told me i'm doing it wrong because I don't have a dedicated circuit, 20 amp etc. I know the perfect world conditions it should be set up in but I also know 99% if it was in those conditions it wouldn't change. I have tried multiple circuits with nothing at all on etc. I know for a fact it's amp noise!
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Keep in mind that a 150" diagonal 2:35 screen = 120" diagonal 16:9. So you still get great size 16:9 screen for anything that benefits from that ratio.

I'm still considering this route and possible add curtains for masking duties, but likely not even needed since it's dark anyway.

I agree that you likely don't need the masking. I know Beast mentioned that issue at his GTG and I even meant to pay attention but caught up in the experience...it wasn't until I thought to look that I noticed the lack of masking on his 16:9 screen. By the way, wish you could have made it, would have been great to meet you in person.

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Are you using XLR's?

No but technically if they make the amp with RCA's it 'should operate with them...

The noise is present with just the amp plugged in and speaker wire to the speakers. Entirely disconnected from the processor...

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I agree, but they want 50 bucks to list it so I will try elsewhere...

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No but technically if they make the amp with RCA's it 'should operate with them...

The noise is present with just the amp plugged in and speaker wire to the speakers. Entirely disconnected from the processor...

I have no idea why this happened or how to explain it, but I did the same thing as you; unplugged everything from the amp but the speakers, turned on the amp and still had buzzing. Then I went and hooked up some XLR cables and the buzzing from the compression driver was significantly reduced. Totally puzzled as to why that is.
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I have no idea why this happened or how to explain it, but I did the same thing as you; unplugged everything from the amp but the speakers, turned on the amp and still had buzzing. Then I went and hooked up some XLR cables and the buzzing from the compression driver was significantly reduced. Totally puzzled as to why that is.

i'll give it a try as i have monoprice rca to xlr cables. that does make no logical sense lol! I just want fairly quiet and ample headroom you know. What else can a man ask for!

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i'll give it a try as i have monoprice rca to xlr cables. that does make no logical sense lol! I just want fairly quiet and ample headroom you know. What else can a man ask for!
Unbalanced (rca) to balanced (xlr) = Unbalanced

It only works when its XLR to XLR or balanced to balanced. XLR cables will always be the preferred method b/c of "common mode noise rejection". RCA is used when XLR is not an option but it comes at the cost of fighting a hum.

RCA cables and an amp almost always = humming issues if the ground is not lifted. My D-sonic hums like a bitch without the 3 to 2 prong adapter.

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Yea i'm a bit irritated since someone else was refunded. They said they didn't know what I was talking about. I said, "well eihter it happened or he is lying lol." I may eventually find a buyer and never buy from them again. Go iNuke's or crown's perhaps. Or just run off of my AVR since i'm crossed to a couple Seaton Submersives lol. Basically they told me i'm doing it wrong because I don't have a dedicated circuit, 20 amp etc. I know the perfect world conditions it should be set up in but I also know 99% if it was in those conditions it wouldn't change. I have tried multiple circuits with nothing at all on etc. I know for a fact it's amp noise!

I had the same result yesterday when I called them. No luck returning it and I even had a 20A dedicated circuit installed for the Sherbourn. Good thing is that I already found a buyer and bought new amps.
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I had the same result yesterday when I called them. No luck returning it and I even had a 20A dedicated circuit installed for the Sherbourn. Good thing is that I already found a buyer and bought new amps.

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I had the same result yesterday when I called them. No luck returning it and I even had a 20A dedicated circuit installed for the Sherbourn. Good thing is that I already found a buyer and bought new amps.

What amps did you get?
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I posted it my thread last night. Following the advice of "DesertDome the Great" I went with Crest CC4000 amps for the LCR and a Behringer inuke NU4 6000 for the surrounds.
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