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post #18451 of 31284 Old 04-19-2014, 01:44 PM
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LOL.... well I'll cross that one off of my list..lol

Let me know how the pre/pro works, if it does I think that's the route I'll go too. If not I might start to consider the same things as jlpowell84 and look at selling my PA 7-350 to help fund a Denon AVR-4520.

The 5009 is silent!! I can't hear anything coming from the speakers even when the gains on the inukes are maxed and the volume on the onkyo maxed.

Also wanted to mention how well everything was packed, I have to question whether Sonnie even used it is in such nice condition and packed the same way it was from the factory.

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Congrats, I nearly pulled the trigger on that myself. Oh well, glad a JTR'er got it.
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The 5009 is silent!! I can't hear anything coming from the speakers even when the gains on the inukes are maxed and the volume on the onkyo maxed.

Also wanted to mention how well everything was packed, I have to question whether Sonnie even used it is in such nice condition and packed the same way it was from the factory.

Wow okay so that's awesome! Didn't you also have a PA 7-350 too?
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Wow okay so that's awesome! Didn't you also have a PA 7-350 too?

No, I am using iNukes, but if you want to send it to me to test i would be more than happy smile.gif

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No, I am using iNukes, but if you want to send it to me to test i would be more than happy smile.gif

Haha, I'll keep that in mind?
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What's the crossover you've set for the single8? Jeff rated them at 80Hz in half space.

100hz, I tried at 80hz but IMO, it's too low, 100hz is perfect.

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This only applies if u r equally bored with the loud music on both speakers which doesn't seem to be the case. The danleys r more fatigueing therefore just boredom doesn't really explain it.

I still feel the danley have more distortion by deduction.

1. Far cheaper cd.
2. More fatigueing.

Without more evidence I am going to think more distortion. I could be totally wrong here due to lack of other variables.

The superior point source design may make it sound great and bring out the best of cheap drivers but will not be able to hide true distortion at the cd level.

Ahh I didn't know you know more about me than me! lol I personally can only stand loud music for a certain amount of time before I'm just done with it. The KC guys had a long session and all of them said by the end of the night, they were done with loud stuff. It happens, being sick of it, bored etc. all the same thing.

Things don't have to be distorted to get sick of them. thats nuts, any loud sustained noise will get irritating after a while.

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Wow okay so that's awesome! Didn't you also have a PA 7-350 too?

Ok, upon further inspection there is a hiss if I put my ear up to the CD, I can't hear it if I move a foot away.

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Actually I am going to take a guess here without ever hearing the danleys.

It's the inferior compression driver. Tom may have thru magic pushed the capability of the driver as much as he could but somehow it still lacks that last bit of magic that is the 212s far more expensive compression driver and the low crossover. .
I don't think I would put it like that. The BMS 4550 is one hell of a nice CD. It is the same CD Jeff uses in the S8 series so you have a couple on hand to listen to in your Slanted 8s. smile.gif

The 4593nd is coaxial CD so that is why its cost is so high. both the 4550 and 4593 are built tough.

Remember the Danleys are stadium speakers so they are meant to take a beating. Using them In a huge room with the ability to mount them to the ceiling will produce different results. Using them in a smaller areas limit the potential. Jeff builds the 212 for home theater use so its hard to compare these designs apples for apples.

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I don't think I would put it like that. The BMS 4550 is one hell of a nice CD. It is the same CD Jeff uses in the S8 series so you have a couple on hand to listen to in your Slanted 8s. smile.gif

The 4593nd is coaxial CD so that is why its cost is so high. both the 4550 and 4593 are built tough.

Remember the Danleys are stadium speakers so they are meant to take a beating. Using them In a huge room with the ability to mount them to the ceiling will produce different results. Using them in a smaller areas limit the potential. Jeff builds the 212 for home theater use so its hard to compare these designs apples for apples.

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Very true, but its still comparing a $150 CD to a $700 unit.
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Cost means very little. I've just been cranking some live jazz for the last hour or so, and I can't say I've ever heard better. These can produce some seriously incredible sound.
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Very true, but its still comparing a $150 CD to a $700 unit.
It is comparing a CD to a Coaxial CD. It would be more realistic to compare a coaxial driver + CD to a Coaxial CD.

if we are to compare the cost then the coaxial has to be added to the price of the CD. The 4593 $700 price tag includes 2 subsystems in one. The Coaxial driver in the Slanted 8 costs $355. so add a $150 cd and we get $505 which is much closer to the $700 price tag of the 4593. I have no idea what the Danleys mid-range cost but in the SH50 there are 4 x 5" MR drivers.

It is very difficult and misleading to compare these designs based on cost of CD alone. smile.gif When Danley does come out with a home theater oriented design it will be a more even comparison.

For my tastes I'm a straight JTR Junkie so the 215RT is my new reference standard for a speaker.
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Yes, things like this make comparisons based simply on driver cost not very helpful,

"The holes are another part of the design. You may have noticed that as you drive loudspeakers harder and harder, they get “bright” and eventually harsh sounding. Harmonic distortion starts an octave above the real signal and extends upwards by 2,3,4,5 etc times the input frequency.
While that brightness may not be objectionable, the object here is to be a faithful reproducer and one thing that means the spectral balance should not change with level if possible.
The trapped air volume under the cone and the small holes, form an acoustical 2nd order low pass filter, like an electrical filter but in air. The object being that the harmonic distortion the drivers invariably produce, will be attenuated and not enter the horn. The effect does limit the bandwidth and that is the object of it. The idea is you DO NOT want sound the driver produces on it’s own (not part of the input signal) which is always above the electrical crossover and the short obstruction does not affect the horns radiation resistance.
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Ivan from Danley made a brief appearance on my DIY Danley Noesis? (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1527862/diy-danley-noesis/) thread and so I put in a request to develop a home theater version of the SM60 with the better coaxial compression driver.
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Thanks so much for joining in. I had heard of the Danley's but didn't really know anything about them until I went to Beast's GTG and overall I was really impressed with the SH50s but thought they were missing something when compared to the Noesis 212s.

If you go over to the JTR thread, you will see that Goodoc bought a pair of SM60F (formerly owned by Beast) to try in his own room and is still in the middle of testing them but has the same impression I had of Beast's SH50s, they are being let down by the compression driver/midrange. That's not to say that it isn't a great speaker, it just happens to be in my opinion, not as strong in that particular aspect.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1165099/official-jtr-speaker-thread/18420

Regarding my comments about the midbass, I would need to listen again as we weren't using Beast's subs at the time and so the integration might not have been as good. So I'm not really concerned about the midbass but I did find the upper and midrange to not be as clear and articulate as the Noesis 212. But damn, I absolutely loved the soundstage, it just enveloped you.

I know there are tons of speakers on the market at all levels and it is crazy to think a speaker no matter how good will be liked by everyone. However, it seems many of us on here are very interested in Danley for our home theater. It was awesome reading your Danley Kit thread and learning about the cool stuff you guys do, especially the design goals for Lambeau Field.

If you were able to build a SM60 size speaker with a coaxial compression driver similar to the 212 (maybe voiced not quite as bright) and a strong, articulate midbass that covered the 50/60-20,000 range, I'd think you'd have a hit on your hands. Assuming I haven't dialed in my 212s by then, I would be one of the first to drive down to Georgia to listen to a pair and potentially leave with them in hand. I'm sure you're busy and successful but I really do hope you find some time to make such a speaker for the home theater market.

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Yes, things like this make comparisons based simply on driver cost not very helpful,

"The holes are another part of the design. You may have noticed that as you drive loudspeakers harder and harder, they get “bright” and eventually harsh sounding. Harmonic distortion starts an octave above the real signal and extends upwards by 2,3,4,5 etc times the input frequency.
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The trapped air volume under the cone and the small holes, form an acoustical 2nd order low pass filter, like an electrical filter but in air. The object being that the harmonic distortion the drivers invariably produce, will be attenuated and not enter the horn. The effect does limit the bandwidth and that is the object of it. The idea is you DO NOT want sound the driver produces on it’s own (not part of the input signal) which is always above the electrical crossover and the short obstruction does not affect the horns radiation resistance.
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That quote is all sorts of win. It all makes sense but that is genius level knowledge and I'm a wee lad learning this stuff. Thanks for sharing.

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The 215's definitely have peaked my interest. Since the day I sold my Bowers and Wilkins setup I've been on a journey for a efficient speaker that goes loud and deep. I also wanted the speaker to be extremely musical.

I searched for years and went through countless setups. I am very happy with my current setup with Seven Unities and a SI 24'' sub.

However it still bothers the hell out of me that my speakers begin to roll off at 50hz. These JTR 215 speakers are truly my dream speakers that fulfill the specs I have searched for since day one of my pro audio journey.

In my opinion a high end speaker should have the ability to play loud and deep. I dont think it is cost effective to pay a large sum of money for a speaker with a high rollof that needs a sub since there are many quality bookshelf size speakers which have that type of design for a lot less money.

But these 215's are worth the dough. They play up and down the spectrum with no need for a sub to complete a full soundstage. That is what a flagship high end pro speaker should be.smile.gif
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The 212's IMO are indeed edgy at higher volumes. I'm hoping the 215's are a bit different.

I think not as they too were "voiced for a flat FR". Jeff said he was planing some minor changes to the crossover for the subsequent 215 speakers and offered me a swap-out. I think I will stay the course because while it is relatively easy to tame offensive frequencies, it's not as easy to add back what has been intentionally attenuated by a crossover or by design.

It may be due to all of my room treatments (including ceiling), but I did not notice edginess with the 212's. They would at a point completely overpower the room with sound but I think that is a different phenomenon than edginess. smile.gif

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Ivan from Danley made a brief appearance on my DIY Danley Noesis? (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1527862/diy-danley-noesis/) thread and so I put in a request to develop a home theater version of the SM60 with the better coaxial compression driver.

I'll comment over there, but my impressions of the Danley's are changing as I optimize them and get more accustomed to their sound. As well, some EQ and positional changes have made some very positive improvements.
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I think not as they too were "voiced for a flat FR". Jeff said he was planing some minor changes to the crossover for the subsequent 215 speakers and offered me a swap-out. I think I will stay the course because while it is relatively easy to tame offensive frequencies, it's not as easy to add back what has been intentionally attenuated by a crossover or by design.

It may be due to all of my room treatments (including ceiling), but I did not notice edginess with the 212's. They would at a point completely overpower the room with sound but I think that is a different phenomenon than edginess. smile.gif

I agree it could be many things but I'd imagine I listen a fair bit louder than you do lol. I'm usually reference + on action movies. I watched Pacific rift at +6 because it was one smoking hot soundtrack. I felt like I got a workout after that was done biggrin.gif

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I use a Crown XLI 3500 for my mains and three Crown XLI 2500 amps for my surrounds and I absolutely love them! Excellent sound quality and quiet fans. Good amount of power as well at a competitive price.

Thanks Swole for your thoughts. The SLI series is what I had my eyes on first. My friend has been a DJ for many years. And recommended me those for home audio. And that that's all one needs for home audio application.
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I agree it could be many things but I'd imagine I listen a fair bit louder than you do lol. I'm usually reference + on action movies. I watched Pacific rift at +6 because it was one smoking hot soundtrack. I felt like I got a workout after that was done biggrin.gif

N8.. Did you recieve your 215's yet? I can't wait to hear them at the show. I know they will be more then I expect from them. And I'm dead set on getting a pair with 212 centers a 4 S8's. Can't wait to hear your impressions on them.
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I think not as they too were "voiced for a flat FR". Jeff said he was planing some minor changes to the crossover for the subsequent 215 speakers and offered me a swap-out. I think I will stay the course because while it is relatively easy to tame offensive frequencies, it's not as easy to add back what has been intentionally attenuated by a crossover or by design.

It may be due to all of my room treatments (including ceiling), but I did not notice edginess with the 212's. They would at a point completely overpower the room with sound but I think that is a different phenomenon than edginess. smile.gif

Thanks Rob. No doubt the room will have an impact. My impression of this issue evolved from "crazy detail" to "edginess" over a period of time. But I currently have no treatments.
I thought there was a chance Jeff would tweak the crossover, but I can understand why it's not an issue for you.

Hopefully you've had a chance to enjoy them during your recovery. biggrin.gif
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I agree it could be many things but I'd imagine I listen a fair bit louder than you do lol. I'm usually reference + on action movies. I watched Pacific rift at +6 because it was one smoking hot soundtrack. I felt like I got a workout after that was done biggrin.gif

+6?? LOL

So what was the problem? Were you afraid to crank it up because the the kids were sleeping? biggrin.gif
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Using my S8's as mains lately i've found they are much more laid back than the 212's are, I can have them at higher volumes than I could the 212's and they don't become to forward ever. But in contrast, they don't have the detail of the 212's that I've become used to and IMO it's very noticeable ( BrentTHX also had the same thoughts.) Even so the S8's are truly amazing speakers, I was running them for all my auditions over last weekend and every single person was like " WTF?" when looking at them LOL
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I don't think I would put it like that. The BMS 4550 is one hell of a nice CD. It is the same CD Jeff uses in the S8 series so you have a couple on hand to listen to in your Slanted 8s. smile.gif

The 4593nd is coaxial CD so that is why its cost is so high. both the 4550 and 4593 are built tough.

Remember the Danleys are stadium speakers so they are meant to take a beating. Using them In a huge room with the ability to mount them to the ceiling will produce different results. Using them in a smaller areas limit the potential. Jeff builds the 212 for home theater use so its hard to compare these designs apples for apples.

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I think any actual performance delta between these compression drivers would be more measurable than audible. I recall only marginal improvements between the Triple 12's and the Noesis. Jeff was surprised at that comment as he felt there was a very noticeable difference between the T12's and Noesis. Was he influenced buy the numbers?

When I heard the Danley SM60F's I thought they sounded good but I wasn't the least bit interested in them relative to the Triple 12's. In fact I thought the Triple 12's played louder and cleaner than the Danley's but it wasn't an extended nor nor an A/B test in the same room like the good doctors more interesting comparo ... smile.gif

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The 215's definitely have peaked my interest. Since the day I sold my Bowers and Wilkins setup I've been on a journey for a efficient speaker that goes loud and deep. I also wanted the speaker to be extremely musical.

I searched for years and went through countless setups. I am very happy with my current setup with Seven Unities and a SI 24'' sub.

However it still bothers the hell out of me that my speakers begin to roll off at 50hz. These JTR 215 speakers are truly my dream speakers that fulfill the specs I have searched for since day one of my pro audio journey.

In my opinion a high end speaker should have the ability to play loud and deep. I dont think it is cost effective to pay a large sum of money for a speaker with a high roll off that needs a sub since there are many quality bookshelf size speakers which have that type of design for a lot less money.

But these 215's are worth the dough. They play up and down the spectrum with no need for a sub to complete a full soundstage. That is what a flagship high end pro speaker should be.smile.gif

^^ This as Frank Zappa would say is "the crux of the biscuit". I think all of the efforts to ameliorate the delicate integration of speaker and subwoofer is what drives many of us who are so into this hobby crazy. Understanding the importance of bass in modern movies and music, I have been chasing the perfect subwoofer/speaker interaction for several years now. The Noesis/Orbit Shifter combo came very close to this ideal but at times, the OS's would over run the Noesis To get full range of sound out of single speaker seemed a bridge too far. When Jeff mentioned the potential 210 and then the 215 designs he had been thinking about, I was intrigued and so I committed to a pair ( and then 3 wink.gif ) of them.

If you are really a bass guy and like over powering bass then I think it is likely the 215 isn't going to give you any more than the T12's, Noesis, Danleys or whatever combined with good subwoofers could for movies. But if your taste run more to music and/or you don't feel the need for an uber bass weighted system, then the 215's might just be the answer. I know it is foolish to say never in this hobby but this latest "upgrade" has been the most satisfying ever. It represents a paradigm shift in HT audio and follows some very old traditions in the pro audio world, It also sets some new performance standards for a single cabinet solution and any challenges have been more than out weighed by stellar performance. I'm really looking forward to others thoughts on these speakers but for me, they represent the sound I have been seeking. Of course, YMMV smile.gif

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Ahh I didn't know you know more about me than me! lol I personally can only stand loud music for a certain amount of time before I'm just done with it. The KC guys had a long session and all of them said by the end of the night, they were done with loud stuff. It happens, being sick of it, bored etc. all the same thing.

Things don't have to be distorted to get sick of them. thats nuts, any loud sustained noise will get irritating after a while.

I was talking about goodoc comparison of the 212 vs danley. He was fatigue in one but not the other...
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I don't think I would put it like that. The BMS 4550 is one hell of a nice CD. It is the same CD Jeff uses in the S8 series so you have a couple on hand to listen to in your Slanted 8s. smile.gif

The 4593nd is coaxial CD so that is why its cost is so high. both the 4550 and 4593 are built tough.

Remember the Danleys are stadium speakers so they are meant to take a beating. Using them In a huge room with the ability to mount them to the ceiling will produce different results. Using them in a smaller areas limit the potential. Jeff builds the 212 for home theater use so its hard to compare these designs apples for apples.

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Chris. I didn't realuse its the same cd as the s8 which I have listened to. In which case I am even more convinced of their inferiority. Imo the 212 sounds night n day different to the s8. I suppose they wull work for surround duty but I would never consider them for frontstage duty. I know this might be considered blasphemy to say one of jeffs speaker is way better than another but ihear what I hear.

I am pretty sure the point source design of the dableys might have made these cds sound better but from goodocs reviews of their more recessed sound fits with the s8. Something that doesn't have that sparkle n pop of the 212s.

Again these r my opinion n my preferences. I know most here thinks the s8 is great n they r but not even in the same ballpark as the 212s.
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I think not as they too were "voiced for a flat FR". Jeff said he was planing some minor changes to the crossover for the subsequent 215 speakers and offered me a swap-out. I think I will stay the course because while it is relatively easy to tame offensive frequencies, it's not as easy to add back what has been intentionally attenuated by a crossover or by design.

It may be due to all of my room treatments (including ceiling), but I did not notice edginess with the 212's. They would at a point completely overpower the room with sound but I think that is a different phenomenon than edginess. smile.gif

The edginess disappears for older folks.... hahahaha kidding buddy...

However in all seriousness I have demoed the 212s to ages in the teens to ppl my age n older. Anyone older to me could not hear any edgibess but ppl in theur late 20s could in some materials n a couple of teenagers finds a few dts live recordings unbearavly piercing n I had to turn it off

I must say though that that onlt happens witg sone dts materials but never cds.... so it us likely the dts recording itself that might have boosted the highs.
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