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I just stumbled onto this gem of a Live DTS Music bit that is soooo phreakin dynamic...

For those of you wanting to show off your JTR gear, this is one of the most impressive one I have found... it's zany, crazy, and hugely dynamic... i just grin ear to ear every time I play it beyond reference...

Tomoyasu Hotei - Battle Without Honor Or Humanity

You can find this on the DTS Demo Blu-Ray Disc 15 (can download it)

I also found it on YouTube, but not sure if the YouTube version has the dynamics or sound quality of the actual DTS version you can download:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzfv5WdVr2c
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Volt 10 kits here. Crossovers assembled. More to come. biggrin.gif




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Volt 10 kits here. Crossovers assembled. More to come. biggrin.gif




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Wow.. the crossovers look awesome.. please send me your impressions later...
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got my first ever soldering expeditions on the back! all solid though. Gonna get the rest of material tomm and paint hopefully.
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got my first ever soldering expeditions on the back! all solid though. Gonna get the rest of material tomm and paint hopefully.

Looks like a good project, thanks for sharing. What other surrounds do you have to directly compare to? I know Coach is looking at some surrounds and he is considering the Volts, Beymas, and of course the JTR S8s.
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Looks like a good project, thanks for sharing. What other surrounds do you have to directly compare to? I know Coach is looking at some surrounds and he is considering the Volts, Beymas, and of course the JTR S8s.
We had a mini shootout back in January and I liked the Beymas. We compared the Beyma's (Beastaudio) Eminence (Sibuna) and my Slanted 8's. I found the Beyma's to be a bit crisper. However this was just 3 speakers hooked up and switched with the same speaker changer as used in NC. None of them were level matched and measured. I will say that I spent allot of money on the my 4 slanted 8's, but they have brought such an incredible experience for surround sound, they are an incredible speaker. If I was a little more handy in the DIY world, I would do something like Brandons Beastclops with the Beyma's.
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Looks like a good project, thanks for sharing. What other surrounds do you have to directly compare to? I know Coach is looking at some surrounds and he is considering the Volts, Beymas, and of course the JTR S8s.

Yea, I currently have a couple JBL XPL 140's. About 17 yr old speakers. Nice for sure. Built well, measure great and sound good too. And the 8 inch woofers hit good for music. But one of the HF drivers has been distorting badly with certain frequencies. I would have liked to gone a more expensive route with a nicer compression driver like the BMS in the S8 but I just didn't have short of 2k for a couple surround speakers. I have heard great reviews on these so we shall see smile.gif
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We had a mini shootout back in January and I liked the Beymas. We compared the Beyma's (Beastaudio) Eminence (Sibuna) and my Slanted 8's. I found the Beyma's to be a bit crisper. However this was just 3 speakers hooked up and switched with the same speaker changer as used in NC. None of them were level matched and measured. I will say that I spent allot of money on the my 4 slanted 8's, but they have brought such an incredible experience for surround sound, they are an incredible speaker. If I was a little more handy in the DIY world, I would do something like Brandons Beastclops with the Beyma's.

Reef, this is my first DIY project. I tried to avoid it, just ask Nate and Beast! I listed tons of options in PM's and it always came back to the Volts. All at this lower price point of course smile.gif But I am a mechanically inclined person and a solder gun was very easy to use. Just need a little time and a few hundred bucks can get you a lot in performance. I always wonder what would I have had to paid for a new pair from somewhere to get equal performance. You see? I bet some of Eric's speakers that have the Denovo DNA 360 compression drivers such as the Fushon 15 sentinel would rival a 2k pair of speakers easy if not more.
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Had the house to myself today and really cranked music for the first time. Have watched some movie scenes at reference but never music. Cranked the volume to +5 and it just kept sounding better the higher I cranked it - just amazing (228's)

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Any thoughts on Marantz AV8801 pre-amp? Im thinking of just going all pro amps altogether. Maybe 3 Crown XLs 2000 to run the 3 215's. And 2 XLs1000 to run the 4 S8's.
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Any thoughts on Marantz AV8801 pre-amp? Im thinking of just going all pro amps altogether. Maybe 3 Crown XLs 2000 to run the 3 215's. And 2 XLs1000 to run the 4 S8's.
its a great thought. That pre pro and those amps get good reviews. Does you DJ buddy have some of those you can try out?

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Any thoughts on Marantz AV8801 pre-amp? Im thinking of just going all pro amps altogether. Maybe 3 Crown XLs 2000 to run the 3 215's. And 2 XLs1000 to run the 4 S8's.

Marantz: It looks overpriced compared to it's competitors, unless there's a good possibility you'll want to process 11 channels simultaneously in the future. I'd consider the Onkyo PR-SC5509 (or equivalent Integra); for over a grand less you don't miss much other than 11 channels and also pick up THX processing modes, some of which are pretty good (IMO). With the Onkyo you must choose between wide or height channels.

Here's a comparo: Onkyo PR-SC5509 -v- Marantz AV8801

The Onkyo and Marantz' rated XLR output levels are 2.0V and 2.4V respectively, so the Marantz has the edge here. The Onkyo's maximum XLR output level is 11V (wow!). Marantz don't quote a maximum XLR output level for some reason.

Crown XLS: I'm not positive, but I've read somewhere that the 1000 is a step down in build quality/components from the rest of the range. Therefore it's advisable to go for the at least the 1500. Others may clarify.
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its a great thought. That pre pro and those amps get good reviews. Does you DJ buddy have some of those you can try out?
Hey Ibrown.. Good to hear from you. Yea, he does but I think he has the first XTi series and QSC's. I've been reading a lot lately. And I think I'm just mainly going for XLR connectivity and good video processing at the same time. I also been on the Crown forums. And with my post there about the XLS series. The Crown admin there at first thought the xls 2000 would be to much for any home audio speakers in bridge mode. Until he ask what speakers I'm gonna use the amp for. I sent him the link for the 215RT from JTR website. I think Crown might be recommending the XTi 6002. http://www.crownaudio.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4675
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Marantz: It looks overpriced compared to it's competitors, unless there's a good possibility you'll want to process 11 channels simultaneously in the future. I'd consider the Onkyo PR-SC5509 (or equivalent Integra); for over a grand less you don't miss much other than 11 channels and also pick up THX processing modes, some of which are pretty good (IMO). With the Onkyo you must choose between wide or height channels.

Here's a comparo: Onkyo PR-SC5509 -v- Marantz AV8801

The Onkyo and Marantz' rated XLR output levels are 2.0V and 2.4V respectively, so the Marantz has the edge here. The Onkyo's maximum XLR output level is 11V (wow!). Marantz don't quote a maximum XLR output level for some reason.

Crown XLS: I'm not positive, but I've read somewhere that the 1000 is a step down in build quality/components from the rest of the range. Therefore it's advisable to go for the at least the 1500. Others may clarify.

Thanks GIEGAR.. I never looked into Onkyo yet. Will do though. I've looked at the Integra 60.5. This model interest me. But we don't have a authorize dealer here in Hawaii. Yea, I kind of want to buy the audio gear locally incase something happen. With the Marantz, besides Audyssey XT32, it also features Audyssey Sub EQ HT. Is that a plus feature? Btw, I've read about the xls 1000. And yes it is a step down. But I don't know if it'll matter since I'm using the amp for the surrounds? If it does, then I guess I should look into the 1500.
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Hey all. I plan on glueing my Volt 10 cab's tomm. I was just planning on using Gorilla glue but on my Volt 10 thread I created I was advised not to use Gorilla glue as it expands. And referenced Titebond glue.
Carp, what did you use for your SI flat packs? Or those of you who know? smile.gif

http://www.amazon.com/Franklin-International-5004-Titebond-2-16-Ounce/dp/B0000223UR
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Hey all. I plan on glueing my Volt 10 cab's tomm. I was just planning on using Gorilla glue but on my Volt 10 thread I created I was advised not to use Gorilla glue as it expands. And referenced Titebond glue.
Carp, what did you use for your SI flat packs? Or those of you who know? smile.gif

http://www.amazon.com/Franklin-International-5004-Titebond-2-16-Ounce/dp/B0000223UR

Oh, I didn't know this. I used Gorilla glue and had no issues.

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Hey all. I plan on glueing my Volt 10 cab's tomm. I was just planning on using Gorilla glue but on my Volt 10 thread I created I was advised not to use Gorilla glue as it expands. And referenced Titebond glue.
Carp, what did you use for your SI flat packs? Or those of you who know? smile.gif

http://www.amazon.com/Franklin-International-5004-Titebond-2-16-Ounce/dp/B0000223UR

I use Titebond III for all of my woodworking but Titebond II would work fine as well. Besides being stronger and suitable for outdoor projects, Titebond III has a slightly longer open time, which is helpful when you are trying to clamp or screw larger items. You can get either from the big box stores and I think there is only a $1 or $2 difference in price for the 16 oz. bottle.

Gorilla glue isn't a wood glue and while it might work, it isn't the best tool for the job...IMO.
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I use Titebond III for all of my woodworking but Titebond II would work fine as well. Besides being stronger and suitable for outdoor projects, Titebond III has a slightly longer open time, which is helpful when you are trying to clamp or screw larger items. You can get either from the big box stores and I think there is only a $1 or $2 difference in price for the 16 oz. bottle.

Gorilla glue isn't a wood glue and while it might work, it isn't the best tool for the job...IMO.

Ok, I saw a cheap bottle on Amazon. Hopefully Lowes or Home Depot will have it.
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The Yamaha CX-A5000 pre-amp seems well built also. Amazon has it for 2499 vs 2999. BB price matches with Amazon. smile.gif
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Thanks GIEGAR.. I never looked into Onkyo yet. Will do though. I've looked at the Integra 60.5. This model interest me. But we don't have a authorize dealer here in Hawaii. Yea, I kind of want to buy the audio gear locally incase something happen. With the Marantz, besides Audyssey XT32, it also features Audyssey Sub EQ HT. Is that a plus feature? Btw, I've read about the xls 1000. And yes it is a step down. But I don't know if it'll matter since I'm using the amp for the surrounds? If it does, then I guess I should look into the 1500.
http://www.hometheaterequipment.com/mono-stereo-amps-59/crown-audio-xls-drivecore-series-amplifier-official-thread-1319/
Integras are generally sold through custom installer channels rather than dealers, so if you haven't already you could check with local CI's. They'll probably push hard to sell you their services as well though. The Onkyo also features Audyssey Sub EQ HT, so it's even Stevens there. A feature that the Marantz has going for it is comprehensive support for Apple including AirPlay. The Onkyo does not support AirPlay.

Crown: I looked it up and the only thing that's reflected in the XLS1000's specs is has a higher noise floor than the rest of XLS's: a SNR of 97dB v 103dB for the rest. SNR of 97dB is still pretty good though, so probably not an issue.

http://www.crownaudio.com/media/wysiwyg/XLS/XLS-DC_datasheet.pdf

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The Yamaha CX-A5000 pre-amp seems well built also. Amazon has it for 2499 vs 2999. BB price matches with Amazon. smile.gif
The Yamaha is a very solid unit. I have two issues with it though:
  1. It's YPAO isn't a patch on Audyssey XT32 (IMO) and does comparatively little for the subs in the way of EQ.
  2. No XLR outputs for the subs. This is a big oversight, especially for those of you with premium subs.
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Thanks again GIEGAR.. Didn't notice that the Yamaha doesn't have XLR sub outs. What a waste. The Onkyo is starting to get interesting also.
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Hey Ibrown.. Good to hear from you. Yea, he does but I think he has the first XTi series and QSC's. I've been reading a lot lately. And I think I'm just mainly going for XLR connectivity and good video processing at the same time. I also been on the Crown forums. And with my post there about the XLS series. The Crown admin there at first thought the xls 2000 would be to much for any home audio speakers in bridge mode. Until he ask what speakers I'm gonna use the amp for. I sent him the link for the 215RT from JTR website. I think Crown might be recommending the XTi 6002. http://www.crownaudio.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4675
good to hear from you to Rhed. Forgot to mention about the xls 1000 maybe not being quite up to par but Giegar was all over it!! Great thread contributors hear. Funny they thought the Crown 2000 would be too much. 99.9% of the time they would be right. I got the same from one of the LG distributors. I really like your decision for XLR connections. I am not even going to hook up my pro amp until the XMC1 balanced pre pro gets here.

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good to hear from you to Rhed. Forgot to mention about the xls 1000 maybe not being quite up to par but Giegar was all over it!! Great thread contributors hear. Funny they thought the Crown 2000 would be too much. 99.9% of the time they would be right. I got the same from one of the LG distributors. I really like your decision for XLR connections. I am not even going to hook up my pro amp until the XMC1 balanced pre pro gets here.

I bought the Sherbourn PT-7030 preamp on clearance and even at the reduced price I'm not happy with it. Too many small issues and Emotiva now refuses to do an update even though they promised one around the time they were selling them. No way in hell I would buy a preamp from Emptiva again. I'll stick with the big boys that have been doing them longer and have a better track record.
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Hey all. I plan on glueing my Volt 10 cab's tomm. I was just planning on using Gorilla glue but on my Volt 10 thread I created I was advised not to use Gorilla glue as it expands. And referenced Titebond glue.
Carp, what did you use for your SI flat packs? Or those of you who know? smile.gif

http://www.amazon.com/Franklin-International-5004-Titebond-2-16-Ounce/dp/B0000223UR


I used titebond 2 and that pl premium stuff but you won't need the pl on speakers I wouldn't think.
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I bought the Sherbourn PT-7030 preamp on clearance and even at the reduced price I'm not happy with it. Too many small issues and Emotiva now refuses to do an update even though they promised one around the time they were selling them. No way in hell I would buy a preamp from Emptiva again. I'll stick with the big boys that have been doing them longer and have a better track record.
yeah its a risk but if the Dirac is implemented correctly it could be a huge win. At the price I am getting it for there is no way I will lose money. If I need to go another direction after trying it I may be looking for something with triinnov or dirac (could be costly to do either if Emotiva fails). Maybe the minidsp with dirac if we could get something to handle 5 sat channels plus four subs.

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Marantz: It looks overpriced compared to it's competitors, unless there's a good possibility you'll want to process 11 channels simultaneously in the future. I'd consider the Onkyo PR-SC5509 (or equivalent Integra); for over a grand less you don't miss much other than 11 channels and also pick up THX processing modes, some of which are pretty good (IMO). With the Onkyo you must choose between wide or height channels.

Here's a comparo: Onkyo PR-SC5509 -v- Marantz AV8801

The Onkyo and Marantz' rated XLR output levels are 2.0V and 2.4V respectively, so the Marantz has the edge here. The Onkyo's maximum XLR output level is 11V (wow!). Marantz don't quote a maximum XLR output level for some reason.

Crown XLS: I'm not positive, but I've read somewhere that the 1000 is a step down in build quality/components from the rest of the range. Therefore it's advisable to go for the at least the 1500. Others may clarify.
The Marantz is a great match with JTR Noesis though.
It has a smooth presentation while JTR s are very direct.
Combining these two sounds dynamic yet composed and pleasant.

The Onkyos I heard were all on the exciting side of the spectrum and my guess is these can be overwhelming with JTR.
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