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When you reference the gun battles, do you feel it in your chest? That is the type of midbass I'm looking for. Like when I went to the indoor range with my son and we were shooting a .22 pistol and then some jack-hole in the lane next to us started shooting a hand cannon. Internal organ massaging.

I know what your talking about.. When I go to the range. I bring two of my Sigs. And my Deagle .50. I have a Sig 226 and 220. Shoot those all day. Now when I get to the Deagle, well that's a different story... smile.gif
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I know what your talking about.. When I go to the range. I bring two of my Sigs. And my Deagle .50. I have a Sig 226 and 220. Shoot those all day. Now when I get to the Deagle, well that's a different story... smile.gif

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I know what your talking about.. When I go to the range. I bring two of my Sigs. And my Deagle .50. I have a Sig 226 and 220. Shoot those all day. Now when I get to the Deagle, well that's a different story... smile.gif

Yea I took one shot of my buddies new Savage 300 WSM and dang that thing hit me hard! And I am no small dude either smile.gif There is a guy on youtube who shoots a 20mm canon that I believe is originally an anti vehicle gun from his hands. Of course holds it off to the side and it goes flying backward.

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if its for your 215RT's why not just spend the extra money and go with the XLs 2000's?

So.. How bout 3 2000's and 2 1500's?

I reckon you're past the point of diminishing returns with the 2000's Rhed.

Bridged into 4Ω (1kHz) it's 1550W versus 2100W, a difference of 1.3dB. Will you notice the difference between 127dB and 128dB SPL with ear plugs in and hands clamped over the top? wink.gif
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I call her Bessie smile.gif


Nice jp.. Is that .223 or 5.56? Or you have the interchangeable upper? My friend who I go to the range with has the .460 and the .500. That is one wicked cal. My kids like to shoot the .22 LR all day. They can finish 1000 rounds in 2 hours..lol. I think my wife has a video of them in FB shooting at the range.
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I reckon you're past the point of diminishing returns with the 2000's Rhed.

Bridged into 4Ω (1kHz) it's 1550W versus 2100W, a difference of 1.3dB. Will you notice the difference between 127dB and 128dB SPL with ear plugs in and hands clamped over the top? wink.gif

I probably trip the breakers anyway on a single 20 amp circuit. Before using all that power, no?
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I know this is off topic... JP- Please invert the secondary mag on that coupler upright. You don't want to fumble around and flip the mag on a mag change. It's a simple drop and insert the same direction.

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So.. How bout 3 2000's and 2 1500's?

Rhed,

Have you had a chance to compare the crowns vs just a receiver? (a good receiver that is stable to 4 ohms)?

It'll be interesting to know if the 215s can be powered with just a receiver or not...
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carp the only way you aren't buying 215HT, and subsequent JTR speakers is if you build a baffle wall NOW and don't want to tear into it every time a new JTR speaker comes out. tongue.gif

Eh, cutting a slightly larger hole and re-trimming is a simple two hour job at worst smile.gif Don't act like it's THAT hard to do smile.gif

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Have you had a chance to compare the crowns vs just a receiver? (a good receiver that is stable to 4 ohms)?

It'll be interesting to know if the 215s can be powered with just a receiver or not...

Can they? Yes. Is it the best idea to get the most out of the speaker? No. Even at near reference, you will want a little extra juice than an AVR can give it. Will it sound good loud, I am sure it will, but at the same time, you are flirting with power limitations, and assuming accurate specs on the amp section of the AVR with multiple channels driven, and I for one would certainly want a little extra in the tank.

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I know this is off topic... JP- Please invert the secondary mag on that coupler upright. You don't want to fumble around and flip the mag on a mag change. It's a simple drop and insert the same direction.

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How dare you take us off topic of our off topic? biggrin.gif

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19000 posts on speakers of questionable sound quality, and assault rifles too. What a wonderful thread.
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19000 posts on speakers of questionable sound quality, and assault rifles too. What a wonderful thread.

Yeah, this thread is all over the replace at times, but tell us what JTR speakers have you listened to?

How do they compare to Aiwa?
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I don't know what those Aiwa speakers are but Aiwa actually makes some very good stuff.

3 - JTR 228's LCR (game room)
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4 - PSA Triax's (game room)
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I know this is off topic... JP- Please invert the secondary mag on that coupler upright. You don't want to fumble around and flip the mag on a mag change. It's a simple drop and insert the same direction.

Mike

I knew you would know that! The coupler is not made for Pmags. It came with all my fab defense stuff and I had to shave a bunch of plastic off to make it all fit. Then I tightened too tight and barely cracked one side of the coupler. I have a second to modify smile.gif Thanks!

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19000 posts on speakers of questionable sound quality, and assault rifles too. What a wonderful thread.

I actually agree with you re the gun pics. But your "questionable sound quality" statement shows an amazing level of ignorance. rolleyes.gif
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19000 posts on speakers of questionable sound quality, and assault rifles too. What a wonderful thread.

What is an assault rifle? An AR stands for Armalite rifle from when they began. Assault is the human. Anyway off topic yes and I was hesitant but this is the JTR thread right? And what is questionable SQ? I have heard Legacy Focus SE's and preferred a lower level (not even Flagship) JTR to them. Subjective I know...

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I actually agree with you re the gun pics. But your "questionable sound quality" statement shows an amazing level of ignorance. rolleyes.gif

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When using high sensitivity speakers, it is best to scale the SNR spec to 1 watt since that is where you spend most of the time. The SNR is rated at 8 ohms at maximum power. If you see the number stay the same and power increase, like in the Crown XLS 1500-2500, then the more powerful the amp the noisier it is at 1 watt. The formula for SNR at 1 watt is 20 log ((sqrt(P*R)/2.82). Here are the XLS SNR at 1 watt:

XLS1000 - 73.64 dB
XLS1500 - 78.2 dB
XLS2000 - 77.23 dB
XLS2500 - 76.54 dB

dlbeck used 5 Crest CC series amps for all his JTR speakers in his new home theater, The Savoy. These have a higher SNR. For example, the CC2800 is rated at 595 watts at 8 ohms and at 1 watt has a SNR of 83.23. I was really impressed with how quiet the amps were and how much power they had. The CC2800 is available from an authorized distributor on ebay for under $550 shipped.

I've thought that one reason some might like lower sensitivity speakers better is that they require more power thus getting a higher SNR out of the amp.
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When using high sensitivity speakers, it is best to scale the SNR spec to 1 watt since that is where you spend most of the time. The SNR is rated at 8 ohms at maximum power. If you see the number stay the same and power increase, like in the Crown XLS 1500-2500, then the more powerful the amp the noisier it is at 1 watt. The formula for SNR at 1 watt is 20 log ((sqrt(P*R)/2.82). Here are the XLS SNR at 1 watt:

XLS1000 - 73.64 dB
XLS1500 - 78.2 dB
XLS2000 - 77.23 dB
XLS2500 - 76.54 dB

dlbeck used 5 Crest CC series amps for all his JTR speakers in his new home theater, The Savoy. These have a higher SNR. For example, the CC2800 is rated at 595 watts at 8 ohms and at 1 watt has a SNR of 83.23. I was really impressed with how quiet the amps were and how much power they had. The CC2800 is available from an authorized distributor on ebay for under $550 shipped.

I've thought that one reason some might like lower sensitivity speakers better is that they require more power thus getting a higher SNR out of the amp.

Interesting DD. The LG was a good choice and it gives me all the head room I need. I think any AVR would be woefully inadequate for the 215's.

BTW, I just replaced the W4S MC amp with Sanway clone for the surrounds. No difference but it is a noisy amp (fan noise only). The fan is louder than the real LG even with the Sanway "thermal fan mod". Good thing I have the equip closet with all this Pro stuff (LG, clone amp and Rane) being such noisy components. That said, at the speakers there is no hiss or hum ever.

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What I've been saying for over years now. 5 channel or more music with multiple highoutput speakers is a whole different level of enjoyment. I would never go back to old school 2 channel stereo. No where near the enveloping experience that multichannel music brings to a room.

Before the 215's arrived I was in complete agreement with you. Now, 2 channel is my preferred mode for music. The sound stage on the 215's is amazing.

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I felt the same until I got the minidsp nanoavr in the mix and now I always listen to stereo for music, well, with the subs of course.

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When using high sensitivity speakers, it is best to scale the SNR spec to 1 watt since that is where you spend most of the time. The SNR is rated at 8 ohms at maximum power. If you see the number stay the same and power increase, like in the Crown XLS 1500-2500, then the more powerful the amp the noisier it is at 1 watt. The formula for SNR at 1 watt is 20 log ((sqrt(P*R)/2.82). Here are the XLS SNR at 1 watt:

XLS1000 - 73.64 dB
XLS1500 - 78.2 dB
XLS2000 - 77.23 dB
XLS2500 - 76.54 dB

dlbeck used 5 Crest CC series amps for all his JTR speakers in his new home theater, The Savoy. These have a higher SNR. For example, the CC2800 is rated at 595 watts at 8 ohms and at 1 watt has a SNR of 83.23. I was really impressed with how quiet the amps were and how much power they had. The CC2800 is available from an authorized distributor on ebay for under $550 shipped.

I've thought that one reason some might like lower sensitivity speakers better is that they require more power thus getting a higher SNR out of the amp.

Thanks dd.. I'm kind a not getting it? But does the numbers mean the XLS1500 has the most SNR? Which would be a better amp?
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Thanks dd.. I'm kind a not getting it? But does the numbers mean the XLS1500 has the most SNR? Which would be a better amp?
For SNR the higher the number the better so based on SNR numbers the XLS1500 is the best of the Crown XLS amps, I believe DD was pointing out that Crest CC2800 has even better SNR for a very reasonable price. I have 2 of the XLS 1500s and am very happy with the amps especially for the little that I paid. I might have to get me one of the Crests, perhaps the CC1800 to see how it compares biggrin.gif

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^^ Ok thanks Cat.. I'll view out my options now. Never heard of Crest amps. Guess I'll research those too. I still got time anyway. smile.gif
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BTW, I just replaced the W4S MC amp with Sanway clone for the surrounds. No difference but it is a noisy amp (fan noise only). The fan is louder than the real LG even with the Sanway "thermal fan mod". Good thing I have the equip closet with all this Pro stuff (LG, clone amp and Rane) being such noisy components. That said, at the speakers there is no hiss or hum ever.

Did you have any issues with the W4S amp? I've been considering a DSonic amp but am worried about potential hiss with the high-sensitivity JTR speakers.

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Did you have any issues with the W4S amp? I've been considering a DSonic amp but am worried about potential hiss with the high-sensitivity JTR speakers.

initially I did and with it's fixed gain it did expose something in my myriad of connections that created a pretty loud hiss. My answer was to use cheater plugs on the W4S which resolved the issue. A few months ago after redoing some connections I removed the cheater plugs just as a test and no hiss. I honestly have no idea what caused it or what fixed it ... redface.gif

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initially I did and with it's fixed gain it did expose something in my myriad of connections that created a pretty loud hiss. My answer was to use cheater plugs on the W4S which resolved the issue. A few months ago after redoing some connections I removed the cheater plugs just as a test and no hiss. I honestly have no idea what caused it or what fixed it ... redface.gif

So why did you replace your W4S if you don't mind me asking. Or what I'm really wondering is, is there any reason I shouldn't consider the DSonic to power 3 212s (or 1 212 and 2 215RMs) and 4 Santed 8s? Also, how much power did you have on your W4S? Thanks.

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Once I bought the LG amp the 7 channel W4S was relegated to 4 channel surround duty only. The Clone amp was $900 and does what I need done and so the $4K W4S became expendable.

Either the D-Sonic or W4S will power the 212's and S8's just fine. Mine was 1000wpc for the LCR and 500 for the surrounds (4Ohm). I felt the 215's needed more power and so the LG. Not sure I was correct in that "feeling" but it is water under the bridge now ... smile.gif
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