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post #19621 of 30542 Old 05-17-2014, 07:17 AM
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But I have pretty much decided to go with 2- RT's for L and R now. I can fit them after doing some measurements, so I thought why not.
Good call on the 215RTs for the L&R. You will be able to enjoy pure full range 2 channel with no subs if desired.smile.gif
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The RM's are sealed. 48x17x18.

I was going to have two vertical and one horizontal for the center. Then put the L and R on stands that are made of 15"SI drivers......

But I have pretty much decided to go with 2- RT's for L and R now. I can fit them after doing some measurements, so I thought why not.

The RM's are down to 60hz according to Jeff.

Also am working on a pretty insane stand for the 215RM that would add two more 18" subs to the mix. If I can pull it off, my front sound stage should be sweet. smile.gif

It's a good thing you're going with the 215RTs because you'll only have 6 SI18s up front. biggrin.gif. I'm sure you'll need the extra bass. smile.gif

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The RM's are sealed. 48x17x18.

I was going to have two vertical and one horizontal for the center. Then put the L and R on stands that are made of 15"SI drivers......

But I have pretty much decided to go with 2- RT's for L and R now. I can fit them after doing some measurements, so I thought why not.

The RM's are down to 60hz according to Jeff.

Also am working on a pretty insane stand for the 215RM that would add two more 18" subs to the mix. If I can pull it off, my front sound stage should be sweet. smile.gif

Boy I was happy to read this ^. The 215RT's will give you a great 2 channel option and when combined with RM and subs in stands youwill have the best front stage audio ever (seriously eek.gif).


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It's a good thing you're going with the 215RTs because you'll only have 6 SI18s up front. biggrin.gif. I'm sure you'll need the extra bass. smile.gif

I must say that I can't full credit, barely partial credit for the center "sub stand" idea. Dgage suggested it and I have heard Beastaudio's system with 6 subs, so I know the potential there. smile.gif

When this is all done, I will have 8 SI-18's in the room....hard to believe I thought I had more than enough bass a year ago at this time, when I had 3-VTF15's... lol
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Godzilla.... truly epic... gonna go watch it again tomorrow...

Oh... I like the sealed 215s... if I were to upgrade that would.be the route... then I wouldn't need any mbms...
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Godzilla.... truly epic... gonna go watch it again tomorrow...

Oh... I like the sealed 215s... if I were to upgrade that would.be the route... then I wouldn't need any mbms...

Uh, according to Jeff, the sealed 215RMs are only spec'd to go down to 60Hz. A little disappointing. So I'm not sure you could go with the sealed 215s and get rid of your MBMs.

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I think anyone looking at going all sealed 215's as the L/R's should look more closely at the ported 212's. They should be pretty close in performance and save yourself a good chunk of cash.

Coach, good call going with the RT's as the LR

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Uh, according to Jeff, the sealed 215RMs are only spec'd to go down to 60Hz. A little disappointing. So I'm not sure you could go with the sealed 215s and get rid of your MBMs.

Actually thats exactly the range I want. The orbit shifter does a great job from 60 down to 15hz. Mbms r for 60 to 150 hz... the 212s as much as I love them is a bit thin on the mid range.

My personal preference is always separating the subs out and thus never needed a full range speaker. I rather have a sealed speaker do the best job it can at the highest efficiency above 60hz.

The 215s sealed tied to a couple of s2s could be the ultimate combination for me. It would be a truly seamless full range combination and I can turn up the bass for movies and turn it down for music. Plus I can run it with a receiver.... I have decided I like my system as simple as possible...
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I think anyone looking at going all sealed 215's as the L/R's should look more closely at the ported 212's. They should be pretty close in performance and save yourself a good chunk of cash.

Coach, good call going with the RT's as the LR

So 212HT's will play down to 55-60hz and the 212HT-LP's are good for 65-70hz. The 215RT's are good easily down to 20hz and Jeff is designing the 215RM's for 60hz. If I had to guess I would say the 215RM's will have quite a bit more output at 60hz compared to the 212HT's.

Considering the drivers he's using I would image he could make the 215RM's play down to 35-40hz if he wanted too.
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So 212HT's will play down to 55-60hz and the 212HT-LP's are good for 65-70hz. The 215RT's are good easily down to 20hz and Jeff is designing the 215RM's for 60hz. If I had to guess I would say the 215RM's will have quite a bit more output at 60hz compared to the 212HT's.

Considering the drivers he's using I would image he could make the 215RM's play down to 35-40hz if he wanted too.


wasn't it posted that the 215RM's were spec'd to 60hz? What I'm saying is they are not full range regardless, so vs the Sealed 15's vs ported 12's, they will be very close in performance, within a few dB's for sure.

I'm just going by what is posted, if Jeff in fact makes them flat to around 35hz, that changes it a bit but then you get into why bother vs the 210's that will be in the same range. I'm really just thinking out loud smile.gif

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Actually thats exactly the range I want. The orbit shifter does a great job from 60 down to 15hz. Mbms r for 60 to 150 hz... the 212s as much as I love them is a bit thin on the mid range.

My personal preference is always separating the subs out and thus never needed a full range speaker. I rather have a sealed speaker do the best job it can at the highest efficiency above 60hz.

The 215s sealed tied to a couple of s2s could be the ultimate combination for me. It would be a truly seamless full range combination and I can turn up the bass for movies and turn it down for music. Plus I can run it with a receiver.... I have decided I like my system as simple as possible...


What do you think would be good as surrounds with that system?

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So 212HT's will play down to 55-60hz and the 212HT-LP's are good for 65-70hz. The 215RT's are good easily down to 20hz and Jeff is designing the 215RM's for 60hz. If I had to guess I would say the 215RM's will have quite a bit more output at 60hz compared to the 212HT's.

Considering the drivers he's using I would image he could make the 215RM's play down to 35-40hz if he wanted too.


Sure but that extension would come at the expense of efficiency, cabinet size and or porting. Those pesky laws of physics ... wink.gif

I think I agree with N8 (eek.gif) If you have to have a horizontal CC, then the 212HT (sealed or ported) would be the bang for buck way to go.

That said, the larger dispersion pattern of the 215 would be nice and if you are correct about the 15" woofer significantly out performing the 12" (in my experience they certainly do) the RM might make sense. Many unknowns here but I assume Coach has had numerous conversations with Jeff about this and has carefully weighed the options. smile.gif

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Sure but it would come at the expense of efficiency, cabinet size and or porting. Those pesky laws of physics ... wink.gif

I think I agree with N8 (eek.gif) If you have to have a horizontal CC, then the 212HT (sealed or ported) would be the bang for buck way to go.

That said, the larger dispersion pattern of the 215 would be nice and if you are correct about the 15" woofer significantly out performing the 12" (in my experience they certainly do) the RM might make sense. Many unknowns here but I assume Coach has had numerous conversations with Jeff about this and has carefully weighed the options. smile.gif

I did...probably too many. Great guy, quick to answer all my questions. smile.gif
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I did...probably too many. Great guy, quick to answer all my questions. smile.gif

Most importantly, he has integrity and that makes blind buying less risky. I've tested that theory several times now. smile.gif

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What do you think would be good as surrounds with that system?

If money and space is no object the 212s sealed.

In my case space and money are indeed an issue so prob something like the s8s or even the volt 10s
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Most importantly, he has integrity and that makes blind buying less risky. I've tested that theory several times now. smile.gif

Initially he didn't think the RT's were needed for my room with my subs but after talking to him and another person, I decided why not. Might get into 2 channel stereo now. smile.gif

He worked with me as much last year on my 212's, which says a lot too because I hadn't spent a penny with him.

It would have been cool to be the first LCR 215RM owner....but oh well. Lol
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Initially he didn't think the RT's were needed for my room with my subs but after talking to him and another person, I decided why not. Might get into 2 channel stereo now. smile.gif

He worked with me as much last year on my 212's, which says a lot too because I hadn't spent a penny with him.

It would have been cool to be the first LCR 215RM owner....but oh well. Lol

So, what is your CC?

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Never bought anything from Audiogon before.. Any thoughts on this?

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/processors-integra-dtr-80-3-9-2-ch-network-a-v-receiver-2014-05-17-home-theater-90004

Haven't used Audiogon for quite a while. My 80.3 (Pre/pro ver) is 2.5 years old and still going strong. This deal looks reasonable but check out the warranty situation. Assuming you get a new warranty, I'd offer his asking price but delivered and no fees. Shipping from LA to Hawaii shouldn't be too bad. smile.gif

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Never bought anything from Audiogon before.. Any thoughts on this?

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/processors-integra-dtr-80-3-9-2-ch-network-a-v-receiver-2014-05-17-home-theater-90004

Id offer 1600$ shipped. thats what they seem to go for.

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Haven't used Audiogon for quite a while. My 80.3 (Pre/pro ver) is 2.5 years old and still going strong. This deal looks reasonable but check out the warranty situation. Assuming you get a new warranty, I'd offer his asking price but delivered and no fees. Shipping from LA to Hawaii shouldn't be too bad. smile.gif

Thanks RMK.. Is there a way to find out if it's original and not a refurbish unit?
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Id offer 1600$ shipped. thats what they seem to go for.

I was thinking of offering $1500..
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Also, I'm going back and forth on amps. Would there be ANY difference. Say between Crown XLS series vs D-Sonics mb's? What would be a better investment?
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Also, I'm going back and forth on amps. Would there be ANY difference. Say between Crown XLS series vs D-Sonics mb's? What would be a better investment?

I've seen the Crest CC talked about quite a bit too.

Better investment means resale value to me. I'd say Crown XLS is probably known on these forums MORE and would sell quicker. Dsonic isn't as well known on these boards or by the public in general. The Dsonic might keep its value better but won't sell as quickly in my opinion.

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I've seen the Crest CC talked about quite a bit too.

Better investment means resale value to me. I'd say Crown XLS is probably known on these forums MORE and would sell quicker. Dsonic isn't as well known on these boards or by the public in general. The Dsonic might keep its value better but won't sell as quickly in my opinion.

Would there be any difference in SQ, SNR, etc between the two?
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So, what is your CC?

I am going with the 215RM.

Originally I had thought I wanted to be the first person to have 3-215RM's for my LCR....
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Would there be any difference in SQ, SNR, etc between the two?

I think the biggest difference between the 3 amps would be the sound of the fans. The Dsonic should be much quieter than any pro amp. You'd think the sound quality would be similar among the 3 but the Dsonic and Crest might be a small step up from the Crown XLS.

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Thanks RMK.. Is there a way to find out if it's original and not a refurbish unit?
I was thinking of offering $1500..

IMO you'd want a refurb, that way, theres a good chance the HDMI board will have been swapped already. Make the $1500 and hope he bites! I've got mine pre-sold for $1900 but I'm in Canada, so it's a bit different.

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I think the biggest difference between the 3 amps would be the sound of the fans. The Dsonic should be much quieter than any pro amp. You'd think the sound quality would be similar among the 3 but the Dsonic and Crest might be a small step up from the Crown XLS.

Ok thanks.. I guess if the SQ is not noticeable. Then the xls would be a bzetter buy. And use the rest of the money towards a pre amp. As for the fan noise. It wouldn't matter for me since the amps will be in a different room.
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