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I just got the NanoAVR and so far I like it. Take a look at the thread below. There were a few issues with HDMI handshake but it looks like I figured out my issues. I just made the last post in the following thread that shows my results.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/newestpost/1528209

You also want to pick up a UMIK-1 USB microphone if you are going to use REW. You might want to pick it up in the US from Cross-Spectrum(http://cross-spectrum.com/measurement/calibrated_umik.html) for 2 reasons. 1. It comes with a 90 degree calibration so you can point it directly at the speaker or straight up in the air (more for subs). 2. Since MiniDSP is based in Hong Kong, if you purchase it from them and get above a certain point, you might have to pay a customs tax. I did when I bought the MiniDSP 10x10 a year ago.

If you have multiple subs, you might want to think about getting a MiniDSP 2x4 so you can have more control over each individual sub. Helpful if you have dissimilar subs that need to go to different amps. May not be needed depending on your receiver/preamp.
How do you know how to set all those functions? I was watching the video and I was lost in 3 minutes?
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How do you know how to set all those functions? I was watching the video and I was lost in 3 minutes?

I started to respond here but I wrote way too much. So pop on over to the official NanoAVR thread and you will see your response. smile.gif

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I started to respond here but I wrote way too much. So pop on over to the official NanoAVR thread and you will see your response. smile.gif

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1528209/nanoavr-8x8-hdmi-audio-processor-official-thread/90#post_24747406

Spent another few hours with the sony 500es projector. Did a lot of 3d testing. The projector was zoomed out to 10 feet wide screen and 3d was still excellent. At 12 feet wide 3d is too dim but 2d was still ultra bright.

Watching gravity in 3d with a 10 feet wide screen was awesome. We were standing literally 6 feet from the screen and it feels like you are in space. Black was pure black and the scenes were incredible. Picture were smoothe even if you stand a foot away.

However we were using a very high quality screen that have very accurate colors and contrast. Alas such screens don't come in acoustic transparency. I hope my eventual xd screen won't be too far off. Black on AT screens won't even come close to this screen.
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Spent another few hours with the sony 500es projector. Did a lot of 3d testing. The projector was zoomed out to 10 feet wide screen and 3d was still excellent. At 12 feet wide 3d is too dim but 2d was still ultra bright.

Watching gravity in 3d with a 10 feet wide screen was awesome. We were standing literally 6 feet from the screen and it feels like you are in space. Black was pure black and the scenes were incredible. Picture were smoothe even if you stand a foot away.

However we were using a very high quality screen that have very accurate colors and contrast. Alas such screens don't come in acoustic transparency. I hope my eventual xd screen won't be too far off. Black on AT screens won't even come close to this screen.

I hope I never become a videophile ... too expensive ... tongue.gifwink.gif

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I hope I never become a videophile ... too expensive ... tongue.gifwink.gif

I am a moviephile so I need to balance my budget between audio and video. The cost of the sony 500es plus screen is equal to my jtr speakers

Have you had a chance to spend some quality time with the 500es? You might just change your mind. It's the only projector that I can watch 3d on currently. Other than imax that is..
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I am a moviephile so I need to balance my budget between audio and video. The cost of the sony 500es plus screen is equal to my jtr speakers

Have you had a chance to spend some quality time with the 500es? You might just change your mind. It's the only projector that I can watch 3d on currently. Other than imax that is..

I'm thinking 3D is a novelty and seems to be loosing traction. With light control, the 2D performance of my Sony HW-50ES on my 120" wide 16:9 screen is really good. At least, good enough to wait till something significantly better to comes along. Besides, I shot this years HT budget on the 215RT's. smile.gif

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I'm thinking 3D is a novelty and seems to be loosing traction. With light control, the 2D performance of my Sony HW-50ES on my 120" wide 16:9 screen is really good. At least, good enough to wait till something significantly better to comes along. Besides, I shot this years HT budget on the 215RT's. smile.gif

Hahaha.. i think i shot my budget for HT for many, many years to come... BTW: since you already have the 55ES, that should tide you over a couple years at least before a real good, matured 4K projector comes into play (one with actual HDMI 2.0 standars, 4k blu-ray format, 60fps, higher light output, and much faster lag time, and almost certain to be under 5K)

Anyways, I think 3D is here to stay.. the reason why most people didn't like them are as follows:

1. Normal Cinemas aren't immerssive enough.. their screen is too small and it's not conducive to watching 3D. I almost never choose to watch 3D on anything other than Imax.
2. Other than the Sony 4K projector, I have yet to audition one that is 'good enough' for 3D images. Even TVs aren't good. Too much cross-talk, etc, etc... the Sony 4K changes all that.. the 3D is as smooth as i have seen and it's eye candy. I watched quite a few movies demo with 3D and i loved the 3D on the 500ES.
3. Even on Imax, the light of 3D is still too dim... and i think this is one of the biggest factor... with lasers on the horizon, that'll be solved. And with 4K plus Lasers, plus Imax screen sizes, i think 3D would be the mainstay..
4. Most 3Ds are post production... to be honest, compared to Avatar, those are really lacking.. but i still like them on the Imax though...

But i think all of the above will be fixed in the next year or two as:

- Lasers come into play with ultra high brightness
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Gorilla83, what did you cut it with? I know that stuff was an amazing difference in your shed the couple times I visited. Once with it up, once before it was up. It was remarkable!

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I used a serrated bread knife with a straight edge and it couldn't be much easier. biggrin.gif I was going so fast at one point I nearly took the tip of my finger off. eek.gif
I second this, a bread knife should be the tool of choice for the installation.
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Is that roxul from lowes pretty stiff or will it sag over time? I'm just wondering if it would work well for acoustic panels vs in the walls.

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Is that roxul from lowes pretty stiff or will it sag over time? I'm just wondering if it would work well for acoustic panels vs in the walls.

I have not worked with Safe N Sound, but the comfort batts are not stiff like rigid fiberboard is. They would work best framed with lumber and wrapped in the fabric of your choice.
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Is that roxul from lowes pretty stiff or will it sag over time? I'm just wondering if it would work well for acoustic panels vs in the walls.
Here is a group of videos, so you can get a idea of what Safe and Sound is and how to use it. I like the fact that it does not burn. I also liked the idea of using it in my theater room considering the wires and electronics and such. Just added safety.

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Ok. I can't remember what insulation it was but I helped my brother build some panels for a studio and after a few weeks you could start to see the material inside the wood frame wrapped in fabric slumping into the fabric. We used a lot of spay adhesive but they still ended up slumping which ends up looking kinda ugly over time.

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Nice videos! That stuff looks fairly stiff as long as it's within a frame it doesn't look like it would slump. Is it worth going with a more rigid material though just in case for acoustic panels?

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Well lookie what I found!

Those are a beautiful thing......

Can only wait until I get to put a picture of mine up.. biggrin.gif
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Those are a beautiful thing......

Can only wait until I get to put a picture of mine up.. biggrin.gif

Reminds me how big those things are. Coach, I think my back will be hurting when you receive yours. Just kidding...I can't wait to be one of the first to hear yours.

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You two are definitely MUCH stronger than me...so I figure you two can bring them upstairs and then we can all listen together.

Win-Win for everybody...
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You two are definitely MUCH stronger than me...so I figure you two can bring them upstairs and then we can all listen together.

Win-Win for everybody...

I don't recall you being short, skinny, frail, or old. Good try though. You've got about 3-4 weeks to prepare your body for 5 minutes of stress. smile.gif

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I'm looking for some advice on setting up my front speakers behind my AT screen and since I'll be joining the "JTR Club" (special thanks to Coach!) soon I thought I'd ask here as well.

I've got around 18'' of wall space behind my AT screen and I am wanting to try and create a giant bass/broadband trap in that space using pink fluffy. Is this a good idea? Or will it create problems? I could always put some 6mil poly on some of it if it is an issue with making the highs to dead in the room. Right now there is a fierce slap echo and it needs some panels bad.

Also, do I need to wrap the pink fluffy completely in something to keep fiberglass fibers from floating around the room?

I'll be adding 4 UXL's to help even things soon as well. I'll be playing with different setups with 2front/2back vs 1 at each midpoint, etc. They are supposed to be ready in another month or so.

Here's a few pics to show what I'm up against.




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I don't recall you being short, skinny, frail, or old. Good try though. You've got about 3-4 weeks to prepare your body for 5 minutes of stress. smile.gif

You haven't seen me in awhile. I started putting on weight for a movie role.....then I didn't get the role, so now I am trying to work it off. wink.gif

Should be good motivation to hit the weights and cardio....
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I just got the NanoAVR and so far I like it. Take a look at the thread below. There were a few issues with HDMI handshake but it looks like I figured out my issues. I just made the last post in the following thread that shows my results.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/newestpost/1528209

You also want to pick up a UMIK-1 USB microphone if you are going to use REW. You might want to pick it up in the US from Cross-Spectrum(http://cross-spectrum.com/measurement/calibrated_umik.html) for 2 reasons. 1. It comes with a 90 degree calibration so you can point it directly at the speaker or straight up in the air (more for subs). 2. Since MiniDSP is based in Hong Kong, if you purchase it from them and get above a certain point, you might have to pay a customs tax. I did when I bought the MiniDSP 10x10 a year ago.

If you have multiple subs, you might want to think about getting a MiniDSP 2x4 so you can have more control over each individual sub. Helpful if you have dissimilar subs that need to go to different amps. May not be needed depending on your receiver/preamp.


I had the day off and managed to read that whole thread, your write up there was extremely helpful. Unfortunately the UMIK is sold out at Cross Spectrum, I'll try to find another vendor. Are you suggesting getting a minidsp for the subs in addition to the NanoAVR or intsead of it? It seems like once people got their Nano units up and running, they were very pleased with the results overall.

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I'm looking for some advice on setting up my front speakers behind my AT screen and since I'll be joining the "JTR Club" (special thanks to Coach!) soon I thought I'd ask here as well.

I've got around 18'' of wall space behind my AT screen and I am wanting to try and create a giant bass/broadband trap in that space using pink fluffy. Is this a good idea? Or will it create problems? I could always put some 6mil poly on some of it if it is an issue with making the highs to dead in the room. Right now there is a fierce slap echo and it needs some panels bad.

Also, do I need to wrap the pink fluffy completely in something to keep fiberglass fibers from floating around the room?

I'll be adding 4 UXL's to help even things soon as well. I'll be playing with different setups with 2front/2back vs 1 at each midpoint, etc. They are supposed to be ready in another month or so.

Here's a few pics to show what I'm up against.




You can check out what I did in the Savoy build thread. Very similar setup and I built some DIY bass traps.
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Are you suggesting getting a minidsp for the subs in addition to the NanoAVR or intsead of it?

Definitely not instead...maybe a 2x4 in addition to a NanoAVR depending on what you have as a receiver/preamp and subs. If you had different size subs or if you wanted to have mid bass modules, that is where a 2x4 would come into play. It would allow you to send different frequency ranges to different subs or midbasses.

But NanoAVR first...definitely.

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Definitely not instead...maybe a 2x4 in addition to a NanoAVR depending on what you have as a receiver/preamp and subs. If you had different size subs or if you wanted to have mid bass modules, that is where a 2x4 would come into play. It would allow you to send different frequency ranges to different subs or midbasses.

But NanoAVR first...definitely.


thanks, I'm getting the NanoAVR to start. It's a simple setup right now, it will sit between my bluray and a denon 4520.

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Hi rhed,
I use crown 1500 xls with my JTR t12lp's lcr and t8lp's for side duty and rear x 6 . All run by the crown amps, I have six, 3 bridged for the lcr's and the rest stereo mode for the sides/rears.
They work great and run very cool the fans have never turned on when in use,those amps sound as good as my lexicon/ bryston 400 watt bridged amps. wink.gif
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Hahaha.. i think i shot my budget for HT for many, many years to come... BTW: since you already have the 55ES, that should tide you over a couple years at least before a real good, matured 4K projector comes into play (one with actual HDMI 2.0 standars, 4k blu-ray format, 60fps, higher light output, and much faster lag time, and almost certain to be under 5K)

Anyways, I think 3D is here to stay.. the reason why most people didn't like them are as follows:

1. Normal Cinemas aren't immerssive enough.. their screen is too small and it's not conducive to watching 3D. I almost never choose to watch 3D on anything other than Imax.
2. Other than the Sony 4K projector, I have yet to audition one that is 'good enough' for 3D images. Even TVs aren't good. Too much cross-talk, etc, etc... the Sony 4K changes all that.. the 3D is as smooth as i have seen and it's eye candy. I watched quite a few movies demo with 3D and i loved the 3D on the 500ES.
3. Even on Imax, the light of 3D is still too dim... and i think this is one of the biggest factor... with lasers on the horizon, that'll be solved. And with 4K plus Lasers, plus Imax screen sizes, i think 3D would be the mainstay..
4. Most 3Ds are post production... to be honest, compared to Avatar, those are really lacking.. but i still like them on the Imax though...

But i think all of the above will be fixed in the next year or two as:

- Lasers come into play with ultra high brightness
- 4K format
- High Frame Rates
- Imax sized screens.

I know that for me I have no interest until passive 3D is available at the consumer level for front projection, like IMAX. The active 3D in todays projectors with the powered glasses gives me a headache from the shutters opening and closing, I would guess that its the same reason that DLP projectors give me a headache too.

I'm hoping that I can get another 2 years out of my JVC RS45, so far I have 1100hrs on the original bulb and when I bought it I was able to get them to throw in a free spare bulb. smile.gif
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