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Dlbeck has the sealed 212HT-LP with a sealed MBM's for each main using Acoustic Elegance PB18H+ (similar to TD18H+) drivers. He is having a GTG on June 28 and Jeff is bringing the 215RT's so people will have the opportunity to hear both.

Here is a measurement in my room of the 212HT-LP and the MBM. You can see that the MBM can help with output from 200 Hz and down. Since the 212HT-LP drivers are sealed, they don't rolloff as quick like the ported 212HT. This lets one combine the output from the 212 and the MBM from 40 Hz up to 200 Hz. Right now in dlbeck's The Savoy theater, the MBM's are crossed over at 40 Hz to a pair of S2's. Each MBM is on a channel of an iNuke NU6000. With this setup, one 18" MBM is more than sufficient for each 212HT-LP.



Here is just the correction filter that I was using during testing at my house. You can see that from 40 Hz to 166 Hz both 212HT-LP and MBM had their levels reduced by 5-8 dB. This provides a lot of extra headroom. There is very little correction being done at all to the 212HT-LP. The low end of the MBM is given a precise boost that exactly matches its rolloff and Q in order to have a flat frequency response down to about 10 Hz.



And the final simulated frequency response:


Wow.. those are really nice curves. I wish I can come to all these gtgs.

What method did you use to channel source to the mbms? I know n8 did it with the lfe output.

Do you have a thread created for the gtg yet?
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Wow.. those are really nice curves. I wish I can come to all these gtgs.

What method did you use to channel source to the mbms? I know n8 did it with the lfe output.

Do you have a thread created for the gtg yet?
JRiver Media Center is the playback software and it uses a filter file created by Audiolense. Audiolense is measurement and room correction software and lets you have full control over how you want the routing, delays, phase, time domain correction, and frequency correction. In the above at my house I was using an active crossover method with the 212HT-LP as one channel and the MBM as another channel for the Left or Right speaker. This lets you use different slopes for highpass and lowpass filters and overlap their frequency range. What happens is that both channels get the same signal and then a low pass filter is applied for the MBM and a high pass filter is applied for the 212HT-LP plus all the other necessary correction.

Dlbeck hasn't started a separate GTG thread and I'm not sure if he will. Probably all discussion will be kept in his build thread for completeness.
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I can't wait!!! Sorry though that you'll be out for a while. I imagine that will make the 215's that much sweeter when they arrive.
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I can't wait!!! Sorry though that you'll be out for a while. I imagine that will make the 215's that much sweeter when they arrive.

Good to hear you are moving forward Mark. Those of us who inherit a space for the HT are often at a disadvantage compared to a custom build. I got lucky with my irregular shaped room.

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Thanks Rob! You were a big factor in me getting the JTR's. And thanks for answering all my other PM's as well!
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nice review n8.

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Good to hear you are moving forward Mark. Those of us who inherit a space for the HT are often at a disadvantage compared to a custom build. I got lucky with my irregular shaped room.

Welcome to the world of pro audio inspired HT cool.gif

I'm actually turning a not so large (17x14x8) living room into a theater room and the only thing people will immediately see are the JTR 212s for left and right. When I install a projector in the fall, that will be pretty noticeable hanging from the ceiling but the Slanted 8s are recessed into the ceiling and will be painted white so they won't be very noticeable. The 212 center is in a built-in at the front of the living room along with 2 LMS-5400s and all of my equipment and since they will be behind doors, they won't be seen. A 3rd LMS-5400 is in a down-firing end table at the back right so no one will know that is a sub. And then I'll have 2 UXL-18s under the left and right couches. When I put in a projector, I'll also get a motorized screen that will be recessed in the ceiling. For treatments, I'll print up some artwork and build some panels for the walls. I may do something along the front wall with the speakers but haven't gotten that far yet. The back wall is completely open to the kitchen, hall, and stairs.

So for me, I consider it a challenge to make a living room into a high-performing theater room. I'd consider a dedicated room too easy. smile.gif. When I get closer to being done, I'll invite some AVSers over to get their impressions and they can let me know how close or far I am in terms of performance. smile.gif
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Let me translate for you ...

A pu$$ie like Rob might be satisfied with the bass output of these speakers, but real men like (your name here) need more than the weak sauce bass these 215RT's produce. rolleyes.giftongue.gifwink.gif

BTW, with 3 215RT's, I am able to run WOW and AOF at Ref +10 with no distortion and it sounds very familiar to me. Kinda like what the dual OS's did in my 2nd story suspended floor HT. But then, I am one of those anemic bass fans that will never get it ... smile.gif

Only kidding DOGG. Nice to have someone else on the planet that owns these interesting speakers. Once you get them dialed FR wise and take some time to listen to some 2 channel music (not Dubstep) I think you will discover how really special these speakers are. If not, I'll take them off your hands as I need a surround pair ... biggrin.gif

Oh, i almost forgot, You've got a sealed room, I have to pressurize and entire basement, likely 5 times the size of your room without my wall there, 1350 SF. It wasn't an insult saying that they would be fine in your case, since they are. But you know I love to go full out ULF tard, and I'd bet they could easily go 10dB over reference in your room, not mine, thats all I'm getting at, very different situations.

I'm jelly of anyone with a sealed room, I wouldn't need half the subs to get the same impact I have now ( although we all know I'd still cram them in there! lol)
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Oh, i almost forgot, You've got a sealed room, I have to pressurize and entire basement, likely 5 times the size of your room without my wall there, 1350 SF. It wasn't an insult saying that they would be fine in your case, since they are. But you know I love to go full out ULF tard, and I'd bet they could easily go 10dB over reference in your room, not mine, thats all I'm getting at, very different situations.

I'm jelly of anyone with a sealed room, I wouldn't need half the subs to get the same impact I have now ( although we all know I'd still cram them in there! lol)

Yeah, 3600cf sealed plus 2nd floor install makes a huge difference in bass (tactile and SPL wise). With your enormous basement, all that subwoofage makes more (not total wink.gif ) sense. In my room, I would be bleeding out of every orifice with that much output ... biggrin.gif

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Yup, my 12,000cuft on concrete slab takes some serious output to even be impressive...hence 2 OS, 2 UXL18's and two 15's.

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Yup, my 12,000cuft on concrete slab takes some serious output to even be impressive...hence 2 OS, 2 UXL18's and two 15's.
still very impressive I'm sure. I have had both suspended ceiling and on slab. Although the tactile feel through your seat is ok I actually prefer concrete slab, the response straight through the air to the chest feels more like an outdoor concert venue to me, but I am biased:)

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still very impressive I'm sure. I have had both suspended ceiling and on slab. Although the tactile feel through your seat is ok I actually prefer concrete slab, the response straight through the air to the chest feels more like an outdoor concert venue to me, but I am biased:)

Interesting, I was recently thinking about these two contrasting room styles. I notice in this rental house I get some serious Submersive rattle. I like the tactile feel in the couch but not the tactile sound of the walls and stuff shaking and rattling...
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still very impressive I'm sure. I have had both suspended ceiling and on slab. Although the tactile feel through your seat is ok I actually prefer concrete slab, the response straight through the air to the chest feels more like an outdoor concert venue to me, but I am biased:)

Is there a good reason why most american houses are still built with wood rather than concrete n bricks? The latter should be cheaper and far stronger. Think tornadoes.

Not to mentioned all the trees that need to be chopped down.

The poorest countries in the world have brick houses.
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Is there a good reason why most american houses are still built with wood rather than concrete n bricks? The latter should be cheaper and far stronger. Think tornadoes.

Not to mentioned all the trees that need to be chopped down.

The poorest countries in the world have brick houses.
Different materials are cheaper in different parts of the country (and the world). Moving heavy stuff big distances is expensive.
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Different materials are cheaper in different parts of the country (and the world). Moving heavy stuff big distances is expensive.

I think almost every country in the world uses brick n mortar...

Could it be labor cost?
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I think almost every country in the world uses brick n mortar...

Could it be labor cost?
Areas with lots of trees have wood houses. Areas with lots of stone have stone houses.
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Areas with lots of trees have wood houses. Areas with lots of stone have stone houses.

Not true. My country is mostly trees still brick houses.

Like I said almost everywhere else in the world its brick n mortar. That means from desert to rain forest to whatever environment. Poor or rich. All brick n mortar. I am speaking in general though so don't point out igloos...

I just find it strange is all...
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Not true. My country is mostly trees still brick houses.

Like I said almost everywhere else in the world its brick n mortar. That means from desert to rain forest to whatever environment. Poor or rich. All brick n mortar. I am speaking in general though so don't point out igloos...

I just find it strange is all...

Interesting CG, maybe it's all an American government conspiracy to keep us in wood homes eek.gif
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Interesting CG, maybe it's all an American government conspiracy to keep us in wood homes eek.gif

Hahaha. Just food for thought...

If I had to guess it might be labor cost of brick laying. Wood is faster to build. But then again nowadays there are prefab type materials that are very fast to build. Could be inertia of using wood...

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When I lived in Michigan, brick was rare and very expensive due to soil being primarily blow sand so brick had to be made elsewhere and trucking in at high cost. Also, labor for brick work was high priced.
Moved to Louisiana and brick homes are extremely common due to lots of clay available and very low cost immigrant labor. Also brick is great for resisting mold and mildew buildup in the high humidity environment. Up North, wood has the advantage of being a natural insulator while brick has no insulation qualities at all.
Still - a brick home has virtually no resistance to tornadoes so not really a reason to use it. For hurricanes, it still offers little protection unless you are inland a ways.
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So I've had the last 4 hours in the theater, go everything calibrated up. I've since given the 215's a 7dB boost from 160hz to 20hz on a gradual curve to get them how I want them to sound. One thing I've noticed right away is the imaging and soundstage are much bigger than the 212's were. I swear many times the center channel was on and had to go look a number of times lol. I've mainly been focusing on music as movies sound the same as I remember since I xover them @ 60hz. My subs do a much better job at re-creating the type of bass I'm after rather than the 215's ( which are capable of course)

I've yet to find a fault that I don't like and those that know me, know I was not to happy with my 212's midbass right from day one. These are great. I watched a few clips from various movies and they sounded great as well.
I always rock my go to song when listening to speakers, A Perfect Circle's " The Noose" for the way the song starts and goes into the drum section, simply amazing. I'm one happy camper!
Here is one more pic but it's not the best, it's really hard to take good pics down there because theres not much light.

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When I lived in Michigan, brick was rare and very expensive due to soil being primarily blow sand so brick had to be made elsewhere and trucking in at high cost. Also, labor for brick work was high priced.
Moved to Louisiana and brick homes are extremely common due to lots of clay available and very low cost immigrant labor. Also brick is great for resisting mold and mildew buildup in the high humidity environment. Up North, wood has the advantage of being a natural insulator while brick has no insulation qualities at all.
Still - a brick home has virtually no resistance to tornadoes so not really a reason to use it. For hurricanes, it still offers little protection unless you are inland a ways.

Good points...

I would disagree on the tornado though. Unless its a cat 5 and direct hit a brick n concrete house will stand. Maybe the roof migjt broofblow off
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No it won't...I saw Moore Oklahoma and Greenville Kansas right after big tornados. Looked like a giant lawnmower went through the area. Brick homes, and businesses, were gone leaving only remnants of the foundation.

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No it won't...I saw Moore Oklahoma and Greenville Kansas right after big tornados. Looked like a giant lawnmower went through the area. Brick homes, and businesses, were gone leaving only remnants of the foundation.
It is Greensburg, KS. I and my teammates set our school record there for the 4x100 relay. I went through there shortly after the tornado, too. Unbelievable destruction.
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Dang auto correct...tornados are amazing. Congrats on the record my track days were not so memorable.

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So I've had the last 4 hours in the theater, go everything calibrated up. I've since given the 215's a 7dB boost from 160hz to 20hz on a gradual curve to get them how I want them to sound. One thing I've noticed right away is the imaging and soundstage are much bigger than the 212's were. I swear many times the center channel was on and had to go look a number of times lol. I've mainly been focusing on music as movies sound the same as I remember since I xover them @ 60hz. My subs do a much better job at re-creating the type of bass I'm after rather than the 215's ( which are capable of course)

I've yet to find a fault that I don't like and those that know me, know I was not to happy with my 212's midbass right from day one. These are great. I watched a few clips from various movies and they sounded great as well.
I always rock my go to song when listening to speakers, A Perfect Circle's " The Noose" for the way the song starts and goes into the drum section, simply amazing. I'm one happy camper!
Here is one more pic but it's not the best, it's really hard to take good pics down there because theres not much light.

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