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I was thinking the other day and wanted to get some thoughts from others about building some new sub stands for my 212's. Thought is a pair of 8" or 10" subs, dual opposed primarily for mid bass slam. They would sit under the 212's and double as stands. That could give some nice kick.

Not sure if 8 or 10 inch would add anything to the 212s in terms of mid bass. You might need 2 to 4 18 inch mid bass drivers.
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We are talking about the Millville Minnesota Pro National Motocross race. They have amateur practice and races Thurday and Friday and the pros race Saturday. Have attended the last 12 years in the vet classes (Now that is 45+, 50+ and 55+ and in a couple years can add 60+ if I am still alive smile.gif).
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My riding partner just bought a new Husky a couple months ago and really likes it so far. He buys a new bike about every 6 months. He is a cop in Atlanta at the training center. He does jobs on the side so has a lot of extra cash most of the time.
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Well, lets not get carried away, altho I am pretty serious and consistent with my cardio. I wish the motos were 6 laps, I would do a lot better. I have been very lucky with my injuries so far (knock on wood). Broken wrist, broken arm, sprained ankle, sprained knee, broken hand and fingers, dislocated shoulder (not all at the same time). Didn't start til I was 43 so that's why the low number.

The down side to my new bike is the old one (a 2011 YZ450) had the crank bearing lock up. Now I don't trust it anymore so I got a new one.

Just to keep this on topic...the 212 is on my short list when I get my "last" set of speakers when I get access to my 401k money in about 2 years. Also have Seaton Cats, Danley SH50 DIY clones or 212 DIY clones on that list.
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My survey to JTR owners: cool.gif


  1. True or False: "The only speaker better than a JTR speaker, is a better JTR speaker"
  2. On a scale of 0-10, where 0 is the worst possible speaker, and 10 is the best possible speaker.... I believe JTR speakers are a number _____ :
  3. What do you like the most about JTR speakers?
  4. What are most dissatisfied with about JTR speakers?
  5. Compared to other speakers which cost about the same or less, the performance of JTRs is (Pick one): Much worse - Slightly worse - About the same - Slightly better, Much better
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Yes

Midbass has never been a strong suite of a speaker designed to be cutoff at 60 or 70hz, but the 228ht is not weaker in that area than the 212ht in my experience. The 215ht will have more midbass, but it is a full range tower and 3x the cost.

Sky,

Who is this everyone you speak of?
I was thinking the other day and wanted to get some thoughts from others about building some new sub stands for my 212's. Thought is a pair of 8" or 10" subs, dual opposed primarily for mid bass slam. They would sit under the 212's and double as stands. That could give some nice kick.

Make that decision after hearing dlbeck's gear next month!

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My survey to JTR owners: cool.gif


  1. True or False: "The only speaker better than a JTR speaker, is a better JTR speaker"
  2. On a scale of 0-10, where 0 is the worst possible speaker, and 10 is the best possible speaker.... I believe JTR speakers are a number _____ :
  3. What do you like the most about JTR speakers?
  4. What are most dissatisfied with about JTR speakers?
  5. Compared to other speakers which cost about the same or less, the performance of JTRs is (Pick one): Much worse - Slightly worse - About the same - Slightly better, Much better

It's like whack a mole.

Quit guessing and go hear some - make up your own mind. tongue.gif

They are better than any Klipsch I've heard yet. Scrappydue in KC has a set of Klipsch he just purchased that are pro cinema level - we are going to line the JTR up against them at some point. Until then JTR's Noesis is better than Klipsch. The driver components are better, the crossovers are better, the cabs are sturdier -- JTR simply uses higher quality parts. The only thing Klipsch does better at the same pricepoint is look prettier.

Can you drive up to the Savoy grand opening in Des Moines Iowa on June 28th? That's the end all JTR meet. If you don't walk away from that impressed, then JTR speakers aren't for you.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1498786/the-savoy#post_23929566




LCR - JTR Noesis 212's (Qty 3) - 150 Hz & up
Side Surrounds - JTR S8's (Qty 6)
Midbass Modules - DIY featuring 18" Acoustic Elegance PB18H+ drivers (Qty 4) - 40 Hz - 150 Hz
Subs - JTR Captivator S2's (Qty 2) - below 40 Hz

And the 215RT will be in attendance. Which a little bird told me carp is hoping to buy if his 212HT pair sell before the meet.

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. The only thing Klipsch does better at the same pricepoint is look prettier.

How ugly are the JTRs in person? That is really one of my last lingering concerns. These need to look nice in a living room setting.
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Wood veneer or the piano gloss finish of your choice are options at an uptick in price.


I edited my post above - can you attend the Savoy grand opening in Des Moines? It's gonna be fanastic. I fully expect it to be the best theater experience I've ever had. DD is at the helm with JRiver for EQ functions. All JTR speakers and subs with four Acoustic Elegance midbass modules. Brand new. Top of the line gear. Theater done right!

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Wood veneer or the piano gloss finish of your choice are options at an uptick in price.


I edited my post above - can you attend the Savoy grand opening in Des Moines? It's gonna be fanastic. I fully expect it to be the best theater experience I've ever had. DD is at the helm with JRiver for EQ functions. All JTR speakers and subs with four Acoustic Elegance midbass modules. Brand new. Top of the line gear. Theater done right!

I don't know. That's a 12 hour drive from Fort Worth, TX. I'd be more likely to come to something closer.
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fly?

If someone is really interested in dropping 3K + on speakers it seems to me you'd like ot know what you are getting into and a g2g like this sure gives you the idea. That's my opinion anyway, but I try to frequent these things and have been to well over a dozen in the last couple years.

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here's something to consider:

I read about a lot of guys that went from Klipsch to JTR and were happy. I can't recall a single person going from JTR to Klipsch and being happy. Not one. If you're out there - speak up!

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here's something to consider:

I read about a lot of guys that went from Klipsch to JTR and were happy. I can't recall a single person going from JTR to Klipsch and being happy. Not one. If you're out there - speak up!


I'm fairly sure I'd like them. It's just a big jump in price... and an even bigger jump in price to get ones with decent finishes. They need to look nice in a living room, sound exceptional, and last a long time. It would be nice if they could hold their value as well.

I'm considering Carp's 212s for $4k, but for that price, I could also get new 228s with a veneer on them. Choices choices....
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I have a Parasound A31 a/ab amp

400 Watts per channel @ 4 ohm

Will this be enough to power the JTR 215RT's to reference and still sound their best, or do I need a lot more power?




I will try them two different ways

as full range mains and LFE going to external Subs

and

Full range with LFE routed to the JTR 215RT's



If the amp wattage is good enough for them as full range with LFE going to external Subs

is it also good enough to support them as

Full range with LFE routed to the JTR 215RT's?
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I have a Parasound A31 a/ab amp

400 Watts per channel @ 4 ohm

Will this be enough to power the JTR 215RT's to reference and still sound their best, or do I need a lot more power?




I will try them two different ways

as full range mains and LFE going to external Subs

and

Full range with LFE routed to the JTR 215RT's



If the amp wattage is good enough for them as full range with LFE going to external Subs

is it also good enough to support them as

Full range with LFE routed to the JTR 215RT's?

I am going to be using my Sunfire TGA-7401 to power my 215RT's and 215RM. It will also continue to power my 4 - JBL 8340A speakers. It has been plenty of power for my 212 setup, so I don't expect "needing" anything else.

Now "wanting" is something else... wink.gif
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here's something to consider:

I read about a lot of guys that went from Klipsch to JTR and were happy. I can't recall a single person going from JTR to Klipsch and being happy. Not one. If you're out there - speak up!


I'm fairly sure I'd like them. It's just a big jump in price... and an even bigger jump in price to get ones with decent finishes. They need to look nice in a living room, sound exceptional, and last a long time. It would be nice if they could hold their value as well.

I'm considering Carp's 212s for $4k, but for that price, I could also get new 228s with a veneer on them. Choices choices....

Well bonus...

If you drive up to the meet - he could bring his 212HT to the meet because he is going as well.

Assuming you love them in dlbeck's demo - you could buy them from there. I will vouch that his 212HT are in near perfect shape, if not perfect, and perfect functionally - having heard them on many occassions. He is taking them to a comparison tonight in fact to compare directly against a set of Procella speakers at jedimastergrants.

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I'm fairly sure I'd like them. It's just a big jump in price... and an even bigger jump in price to get ones with decent finishes. They need to look nice in a living room, sound exceptional, and last a long time. It would be nice if they could hold their value as well.

I'm considering Carp's 212s for $4k, but for that price, I could also get new 228s with a veneer on them. Choices choices….
I would jump on Carps 212's and jump now.
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Landmonster and I have been trading PM's.

It is clear he like a very good looking speaker and there is nothing wrong with that!! Honestly (at the risk of losing a sale) if it were me and movies were my priority I'd take the veneer covered 228's - especially considering these will be in a living room and need girl friend approval!! smile.gif

However, he will have no sub for awhile. Both speakers need a sub for sure but the 212's will obviously do a lot better without one. Then there is the 210's... lots of options...

Who knows if selling these is going to happen... so far it's guys that want me to ship or local guys that don't know until they hear them in their room. I'm scared to sell to Landmonster - I don't want him to drive all the way up to KC and not like them!! smile.gif
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Grant or Kevin if you are reading this you may end up being my only hope.

Hmmm is sounding desperate to sell a good sales tactic?!?!?!? eek.gifbiggrin.gif
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Landmonster and I have been trading PM's.

It is clear he like a very good looking speaker and there is nothing wrong with that!! Honestly (at the risk of losing a sale) if it were me and movies were my priority I'd take the veneer covered 228's - especially considering these will be in a living room and need girl friend approval!! smile.gif

However, he will have no sub for awhile. Both speakers need a sub for sure but the 212's will obviously do a lot better without one. Then there is the 210's... lots of options...

Who knows if selling these is going to happen... so far it's guys that want me to ship or local guys that don't know until they hear them in their room. I'm scared to sell to Landmonster - I don't want him to drive all the way up to KC and not like them!! smile.gif

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212HT - 60hz lower end
228HT - 70hz lower end

confused.gif ??? I don't agree with the 228HT doing a lot worse without a sub. Both need a sub. Not a whole lot of difference between 60 and 70hz tunes.





And psh -- you really worried about him not liking them? tongue.gif

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What??? The 212's are rated to 60hz and in my room even 4 feet off the front wall they are flat to 55hz.

I tried the 228's without subs here and there is a very noticeable difference when comparing to the 212's without subs. I would want neither though, both need subs.
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Oh, I mis-read I thought you put 70hz for the 212's. Also I thought the 228's were 80hz.
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What??? The 212's are rated to 60hz and in my room even 4 feet off the front wall they are flat to 55hz.

I tried the 228's without subs here and there is a very noticeable difference when comparing to the 212's without subs. I would want neither though, both need subs.
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-3dB at 70hz for 228HT
http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/noesis-228ht/


-3dB at 60hz for 212HT
http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/noesis-212ht/


When I had them in my room I didn't notice much difference.

Audyssey mutlieq xt calibrated them both to their claimed port tune, or 10hz lower on both sets of speakers depending on how close to the boundary wall. Seemed pretty accurate to me in my room.

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-3dB at 70hz for 228HT
http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/noesis-228ht/


-3dB at 60hz for 212HT
http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/noesis-212ht/


When I had them in my room I didn't notice much difference.

Audyssey mutlieq xt calibrated them both to their claimed port tune, or 10hz lower on both sets of speakers depending on how close to the boundary wall. Seemed pretty accurate to me in my room.


Could have been my room or bias who knows, either way it's a moot point. I just tried some music with the 212's only. Great mids and highs of course, but I couldn't do it for very long.
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Do the JTR's need a lot of toe in?
A lot of the pics show a decent amount of toe in.

do they sound better that way?
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Do the JTR's need a lot of toe in?
A lot of the pics show a decent amount of toe in.

do they sound better that way?

The 212's do, they have a 60 degree horizontal dispersion pattern so to cover all the seats I toe them in quite a bit, the would intersect just behind my head. The advantage to the 60 degree pattern is reflections in the room don't come into play nearly as much.

Also, with compression drivers/horns if you toe them in REALLY far (right speaker pointed to the left of me as I sit in the sweet spot and left speaker aimed to the right of me as I sit in the sweet spot) you get a wider sweet spot, maybe someone will have a link with the diagram that shows why.

Basically as you move closer to the speaker to the right it becomes more off axis and the left speaker becomes more on axis but since you are physically moving closer to the right speaker the image stays centered in the middle. I don't set them up like this because I always sit in the sweet spot for stereo listening and for movies with big groups no one else gives a sh*t, haha. biggrin.gif
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I don't know. That's a 12 hour drive from Fort Worth, TX. I'd be more likely to come to something closer.

I guess I'll save the day. Landmonster...I'm in Fort Worth. I've got a 228 lcr and a cap 2400. You're welcome to come out and audition them.
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I've played with toe in at my old room quite a bit. I don't think I could tell much difference. Sounds good regardless.
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Lonestar have landmonster bring his klipsch for a direct compare. Have fun!

Rooms matter a lot. A direct compare reveals the speaker differences and not just the room differences.

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