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I would think the 200-400 area could be brought up a little with eq.
Or do the experts think that is not a good idea at those frequencies.

Going to Millville this year?

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yes it should help and at the end I will dial in better with eq.

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Yes

Midbass has never been a strong suite of a speaker designed to be cutoff at 60 or 70hz, but the 228ht is not weaker in that area than the 212ht in my experience. The 215ht will have more midbass, but it is a full range tower and 3x the cost.

Sky,

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I was thinking the other day and wanted to get some thoughts from others about building some new sub stands for my 212's. Thought is a pair of 8" or 10" subs, dual opposed primarily for mid bass slam. They would sit under the 212's and double as stands. That could give some nice kick.
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Millville but no Redbud.
Would like to go to the Vet race there some day if they still have it.

Just bought a new 2014 YZ450F this week, haven't even had it on the track yet.
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I did that with my inuke 3000 dsp hooked up to the 212's because I had a dip in that same area. I thought it made a noticeable improvement in the sound...until stitch1 came over and we did a blind test with one guy closing his eyes and the other turning on and off the eq. The guy with his eyes closed had to raise his hand when he thought the other guy had switched on or off the eq while playing some music. There were sometimes you could tell but it was SOOOO much more slight than when I had tried the same exact thing by myself. The brain is funny, when I knew I was making the switch (when I was alone) from eq on/off my ears heard a much greater difference in the sound.

However, my dip wasn't as large so maybe it could help.
You guys were doing that in that amp video. I was wondering what y'all were doing.
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I like it dead too, even for music especially as loud as I like it. I agree on the 1-2khz and this response we have here is without some of my first reflection panels in place so we will see how that helps too. Trying to do as much as possible without eq to get the all the seats as close to eachother as possible. That way when I do some limited EQ at the end it will have a nice effect inn a wider area.

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I was thinking the other day and wanted to get some thoughts from others about building some new sub stands for my 212's. Thought is a pair of 8" or 10" subs, dual opposed primarily for mid bass slam. They would sit under the 212's and double as stands. That could give some nice kick.
IMO mbm's are a great idea but make sure using them as stands is the best placement. Often flanking mbm's can give a really good response.

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methinks the 1khz area would be much more noticeable.


Definitely. I wish I had the SH50's hooked up to an inuke dsp to tame that 1khz peak...
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What am I doing then telling you want to do? biggrin.gif Looks like you have all your ducks in the proverbial row wink.gif
how I wish that were true. Instead of having my duck in row it feels more like hearding cats:) Your advice is always welcome pls keep it coming.

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What 1 khz peak?




Oh, that little guy? Don't you worry about that little guy biggrin.gif

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Millville but no Redbud.
Would like to go to the Vet race there some day if they still have it.

Just bought a new 2014 YZ450F this week, haven't even had it on the track yet.
Are you from NJ?
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Nope.

I live in SE Georgia.
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Nope.

I live in SE Georgia.
Your familiar with Millville racetrack? Or is this something else.

I do believe they have the Vette races there. They are also building a Motocross track there now.
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We are talking about the Millville Minnesota Pro National Motocross race. They have amateur practice and races Thurday and Friday and the pros race Saturday. Have attended the last 12 years in the vet classes (Now that is 45+, 50+ and 55+ and in a couple years can add 60+ if I am still alive smile.gif).
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We are talking about the Millville Minnesota Pro National Motocross race. They have amateur practice and races Thurday and Friday and the pros race Saturday. Have attended the last 12 years in the vet classes (Now that is 45+, 50+ and 55+ and in a couple years can add 60+ if I am still alive smile.gif).
Sorry, I jumped in late redface.gif Sounded like your were talking about the Corvette races here at Millville NJ. We have a new Motosports park here, but I did not think it was that popular.
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I was thinking the other day and wanted to get some thoughts from others about building some new sub stands for my 212's. Thought is a pair of 8" or 10" subs, dual opposed primarily for mid bass slam. They would sit under the 212's and double as stands. That could give some nice kick.

Not sure if 8 or 10 inch would add anything to the 212s in terms of mid bass. You might need 2 to 4 18 inch mid bass drivers.
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Millville but no Redbud.
Would like to go to the Vet race there some day if they still have it.

Just bought a new 2014 YZ450F this week, haven't even had it on the track yet.

Nice Dan! I'm just trying to decide about buying a 2014 Husqvarna TC450 (aka 450 SX-F) smile.gif

My buddy is the local dealer and is willing to give me his personal demo bike for cheap cheap. smile.gif

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We are talking about the Millville Minnesota Pro National Motocross race. They have amateur practice and races Thurday and Friday and the pros race Saturday. Have attended the last 12 years in the vet classes (Now that is 45+, 50+ and 55+ and in a couple years can add 60+ if I am still alive smile.gif).
MX48 you are an inspiration!! MX is the fountain of youth, except for knees, elbows, ankles, bones and tendons in general, but the spirit is what counts!! You are the man!

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My riding partner just bought a new Husky a couple months ago and really likes it so far. He buys a new bike about every 6 months. He is a cop in Atlanta at the training center. He does jobs on the side so has a lot of extra cash most of the time.
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Well, lets not get carried away, altho I am pretty serious and consistent with my cardio. I wish the motos were 6 laps, I would do a lot better. I have been very lucky with my injuries so far (knock on wood). Broken wrist, broken arm, sprained ankle, sprained knee, broken hand and fingers, dislocated shoulder (not all at the same time). Didn't start til I was 43 so that's why the low number.

The down side to my new bike is the old one (a 2011 YZ450) had the crank bearing lock up. Now I don't trust it anymore so I got a new one.

Just to keep this on topic...the 212 is on my short list when I get my "last" set of speakers when I get access to my 401k money in about 2 years. Also have Seaton Cats, Danley SH50 DIY clones or 212 DIY clones on that list.
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  1. True or False: "The only speaker better than a JTR speaker, is a better JTR speaker"
  2. On a scale of 0-10, where 0 is the worst possible speaker, and 10 is the best possible speaker.... I believe JTR speakers are a number _____ :
  3. What do you like the most about JTR speakers?
  4. What are most dissatisfied with about JTR speakers?
  5. Compared to other speakers which cost about the same or less, the performance of JTRs is (Pick one): Much worse - Slightly worse - About the same - Slightly better, Much better
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Yes

Midbass has never been a strong suite of a speaker designed to be cutoff at 60 or 70hz, but the 228ht is not weaker in that area than the 212ht in my experience. The 215ht will have more midbass, but it is a full range tower and 3x the cost.

Sky,

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I was thinking the other day and wanted to get some thoughts from others about building some new sub stands for my 212's. Thought is a pair of 8" or 10" subs, dual opposed primarily for mid bass slam. They would sit under the 212's and double as stands. That could give some nice kick.

Make that decision after hearing dlbeck's gear next month!

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  1. True or False: "The only speaker better than a JTR speaker, is a better JTR speaker"
  2. On a scale of 0-10, where 0 is the worst possible speaker, and 10 is the best possible speaker.... I believe JTR speakers are a number _____ :
  3. What do you like the most about JTR speakers?
  4. What are most dissatisfied with about JTR speakers?
  5. Compared to other speakers which cost about the same or less, the performance of JTRs is (Pick one): Much worse - Slightly worse - About the same - Slightly better, Much better

It's like whack a mole.

Quit guessing and go hear some - make up your own mind. tongue.gif

They are better than any Klipsch I've heard yet. Scrappydue in KC has a set of Klipsch he just purchased that are pro cinema level - we are going to line the JTR up against them at some point. Until then JTR's Noesis is better than Klipsch. The driver components are better, the crossovers are better, the cabs are sturdier -- JTR simply uses higher quality parts. The only thing Klipsch does better at the same pricepoint is look prettier.

Can you drive up to the Savoy grand opening in Des Moines Iowa on June 28th? That's the end all JTR meet. If you don't walk away from that impressed, then JTR speakers aren't for you.

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LCR - JTR Noesis 212's (Qty 3) - 150 Hz & up
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Subs - JTR Captivator S2's (Qty 2) - below 40 Hz

And the 215RT will be in attendance. Which a little bird told me carp is hoping to buy if his 212HT pair sell before the meet.

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. The only thing Klipsch does better at the same pricepoint is look prettier.

How ugly are the JTRs in person? That is really one of my last lingering concerns. These need to look nice in a living room setting.
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Wood veneer or the piano gloss finish of your choice are options at an uptick in price.


I edited my post above - can you attend the Savoy grand opening in Des Moines? It's gonna be fanastic. I fully expect it to be the best theater experience I've ever had. DD is at the helm with JRiver for EQ functions. All JTR speakers and subs with four Acoustic Elegance midbass modules. Brand new. Top of the line gear. Theater done right!

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Wood veneer or the piano gloss finish of your choice are options at an uptick in price.


I edited my post above - can you attend the Savoy grand opening in Des Moines? It's gonna be fanastic. I fully expect it to be the best theater experience I've ever had. DD is at the helm with JRiver for EQ functions. All JTR speakers and subs with four Acoustic Elegance midbass modules. Brand new. Top of the line gear. Theater done right!

I don't know. That's a 12 hour drive from Fort Worth, TX. I'd be more likely to come to something closer.
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fly?

If someone is really interested in dropping 3K + on speakers it seems to me you'd like ot know what you are getting into and a g2g like this sure gives you the idea. That's my opinion anyway, but I try to frequent these things and have been to well over a dozen in the last couple years.

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here's something to consider:

I read about a lot of guys that went from Klipsch to JTR and were happy. I can't recall a single person going from JTR to Klipsch and being happy. Not one. If you're out there - speak up!

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here's something to consider:

I read about a lot of guys that went from Klipsch to JTR and were happy. I can't recall a single person going from JTR to Klipsch and being happy. Not one. If you're out there - speak up!


I'm fairly sure I'd like them. It's just a big jump in price... and an even bigger jump in price to get ones with decent finishes. They need to look nice in a living room, sound exceptional, and last a long time. It would be nice if they could hold their value as well.

I'm considering Carp's 212s for $4k, but for that price, I could also get new 228s with a veneer on them. Choices choices....
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I have a Parasound A31 a/ab amp

400 Watts per channel @ 4 ohm

Will this be enough to power the JTR 215RT's to reference and still sound their best, or do I need a lot more power?




I will try them two different ways

as full range mains and LFE going to external Subs

and

Full range with LFE routed to the JTR 215RT's



If the amp wattage is good enough for them as full range with LFE going to external Subs

is it also good enough to support them as

Full range with LFE routed to the JTR 215RT's?
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I have a Parasound A31 a/ab amp

400 Watts per channel @ 4 ohm

Will this be enough to power the JTR 215RT's to reference and still sound their best, or do I need a lot more power?




I will try them two different ways

as full range mains and LFE going to external Subs

and

Full range with LFE routed to the JTR 215RT's



If the amp wattage is good enough for them as full range with LFE going to external Subs

is it also good enough to support them as

Full range with LFE routed to the JTR 215RT's?

I am going to be using my Sunfire TGA-7401 to power my 215RT's and 215RM. It will also continue to power my 4 - JBL 8340A speakers. It has been plenty of power for my 212 setup, so I don't expect "needing" anything else.

Now "wanting" is something else... wink.gif
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I read about a lot of guys that went from Klipsch to JTR and were happy. I can't recall a single person going from JTR to Klipsch and being happy. Not one. If you're out there - speak up!


I'm fairly sure I'd like them. It's just a big jump in price... and an even bigger jump in price to get ones with decent finishes. They need to look nice in a living room, sound exceptional, and last a long time. It would be nice if they could hold their value as well.

I'm considering Carp's 212s for $4k, but for that price, I could also get new 228s with a veneer on them. Choices choices....

Well bonus...

If you drive up to the meet - he could bring his 212HT to the meet because he is going as well.

Assuming you love them in dlbeck's demo - you could buy them from there. I will vouch that his 212HT are in near perfect shape, if not perfect, and perfect functionally - having heard them on many occassions. He is taking them to a comparison tonight in fact to compare directly against a set of Procella speakers at jedimastergrants.

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