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gonna try to post pics here on the new forum.

Got to love new gear! I will say the darbee feature is absolute money! I only have a decent (not top line) panasonic plasma. It is night and day for sure! I only expect it to get better once I learn the spears and mussel calibration disc and run that as well. But I am happy so far. The quality is top notch as most of you know. Not sure why I waited for so long!
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Now you can't simply upload a picture from you computer to a thread, you basically post a URL link from a hosting site. I absolutely HATE having to do that, that was one of the biggest reasons I like the AVS forums so much. It was very user friendly.
JB, you just have to go to "Advanced" Then upload the files. click preview to double check and your good. John M on HTS taught me. I too liked the easy use of AVS
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How do we get to our subscribed threads? Like before it was top right corner.
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I still wish it was easier to put pictures in your posts like it was before....lol


Anyways I got my last two subs setup tonight, hopefully I can take some measurements this weekend.
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I wanted to get the JTR community opinion on the following speaker configurations would be best..(For 80% HT/20% music)...

Option A: 3 x 212, 4 x 228, 2 x OS

Option B: 3 x 212, 4 x 228, 2 x S2

option C: 3 x 212, 4 x 228, 4 x Hsu Subs($1k level)

option D: 3 x 215, 4 x 228, 2 x S2 (pre-wire for future when budget allows)

I spoke with Jeff he told me I would be wasting my $ with the 215's upfront, go with option A (surprise to hear the owner steer me away from his top of the line)...problem with option A is if the theater is to have a clean look with speakers behind the false wall and in columns, you cant hide 2 orbital shifters

My builder's HT team like option C, they claim nothing beats the smoothness of bass of 4 wall midpoint subs (12" $1K Hsu or SVS)

My preference is Option B or D...the raw output of dual S2 front & Back will surpass that perfect little (4) sub symmetry?

or option D- You listen to 215's upfront (which I will hear on 6/28 thanks to DLBeck-David) they turn you into a 50/50 music/HT user, and output enough bass, you can live without the S2 (but pre-wire side walls just in case) Can an S2 be fit in a large column? or look stupid so big? Possible difficulty blending the LFE of the 215's with added S2's if required..need a complex JR river or Rane setup config file?

Note- I show speakers next to each other for illustration only, but in reality the S2 up-front could be under center channel or side wall subs under surrounds.etc. 4 small subs can tuck in a column easy! etc...

feedback appreciated

Thanks Vince
I am actually with Jeff, except instead of 2xOS, i might go for 2xS2s simply because i like the sounds of sealed better. A single OS has enough output for me for movies (above 20hz), so a couple of S2s would have enough as well unless you have a very large room.

As for HSUs, forget that option. I have dual HSUs Sealed 15s, and I can tell you that you'll probably need 8-10 of those to equate a single OS in terms of output.. so, getting 4 of those will not equate to a single OS...

Of course, the best is like Beck days, DIY subs.. the cheapest method.. if you're handy like that.. unfortunately, I am not too handy myself... You could literally get 8 sealed 18s for the price of a single S2... and then just buy a 14K Lab Clone to power them all.. for a fraction of the price...
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The new (actually old) format blows. Hosted photos suck because they tend to get deleted and when you go back to older threads all the photos are gone. Sign of times....the we progress the lower quality we accept (except for JTR).
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I wanted to get the JTR community opinion on the following speaker configurations would be best..(For 80% HT/20% music)...

Option A: 3 x 212, 4 x 228, 2 x OS

Option B: 3 x 212, 4 x 228, 2 x S2

option C: 3 x 212, 4 x 228, 4 x Hsu Subs($1k level)

option D: 3 x 215, 4 x 228, 2 x S2 (pre-wire for future when budget allows)

I spoke with Jeff he told me I would be wasting my $ with the 215's upfront, go with option A (surprise to hear the owner steer me away from his top of the line)...problem with option A is if the theater is to have a clean look with speakers behind the false wall and in columns, you cant hide 2 orbital shifters

My builder's HT team like option C, they claim nothing beats the smoothness of bass of 4 wall midpoint subs (12" $1K Hsu or SVS)

My preference is Option B or D...the raw output of dual S2 front & Back will surpass that perfect little (4) sub symmetry?

or option D- You listen to 215's upfront (which I will hear on 6/28 thanks to DLBeck-David) they turn you into a 50/50 music/HT user, and output enough bass, you can live without the S2 (but pre-wire side walls just in case) Can an S2 be fit in a large column? or look stupid so big? Possible difficulty blending the LFE of the 215's with added S2's if required..need a complex JR river or Rane setup config file?

Note- I show speakers next to each other for illustration only, but in reality the S2 up-front could be under center channel or side wall subs under surrounds.etc. 4 small subs can tuck in a column easy! etc...

feedback appreciated

Thanks Vince
That is a very nice sized HT Vince . If you're reluctant to do the work of mixing, measuring and EQing then stay away from D. Good that you will hear the 215RT's as then you will know if they are worth the effort.

Another interesting option would be C with six S1's. Two in the front, one on each side wall and two in the back ...

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Aaarrrggg, I don't like the new forum setup already....lol

It might have been me, but my "Subscriptions" don't show up easily. Plus, I can't tell how many new posts each thread has and it didn't take me to the most recent new post.....

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Bought three more GIK sound panels for my ceiling and three http://signalcable.com/speaker_cables.html - Ultra Speaker Cables.

Will try to get the sound panels up next week, and then I just need the three JTR 215RT's.
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Rhed- room is 31 ft deep x 20 ft wide

dgage- I have read those SI 24" threads, scary bass for sure! But its hard to hide 4 ft Marty sub...unless I give up on the clean room look?

CoolGeek- The media team has only dealt with Traditional brands, "you sure you dont want our Paradugm or Hsu sub?...I said no thank you", I want an animal sub x 2 or x 4...S1/S2 I think I can keep clean look, OS cannot be beat as everybody says for raw power, but cannot be buried in a column... I guess behind a deep false wall? But they convinced me "You better go listen to these JTR speakers, before we design whole room around them"..I said "OK will do"

RMK- I am willing to fiddle with Rane type hardware or Jriver S/W but I want once its dialed in, 2-3 profiles to choose, I'm, done...no ongoing tweaking soap opera?

Thanks for the feedback....

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I wanted to get the JTR community opinion on the following speaker configurations would be best..(For 80% HT/20% music)...

Option A: 3 x 212, 4 x 228, 2 x OS

Option B: 3 x 212, 4 x 228, 2 x S2

option C: 3 x 212, 4 x 228, 4 x Hsu Subs($1k level)

option D: 3 x 215, 4 x 228, 2 x S2 (pre-wire for future when budget allows)

I spoke with Jeff he told me I would be wasting my $ with the 215's upfront, go with option A (surprise to hear the owner steer me away from his top of the line)...problem with option A is if the theater is to have a clean look with speakers behind the false wall and in columns, you cant hide 2 orbital shifters

My builder's HT team like option C, they claim nothing beats the smoothness of bass of 4 wall midpoint subs (12" $1K Hsu or SVS)

My preference is Option B or D...the raw output of dual S2 front & Back will surpass that perfect little (4) sub symmetry?

or option D- You listen to 215's upfront (which I will hear on 6/28 thanks to DLBeck-David) they turn you into a 50/50 music/HT user, and output enough bass, you can live without the S2 (but pre-wire side walls just in case) Can an S2 be fit in a large column? or look stupid so big? Possible difficulty blending the LFE of the 215's with added S2's if required..need a complex JR river or Rane setup config file?

Note- I show speakers next to each other for illustration only, but in reality the S2 up-front could be under center channel or side wall subs under surrounds.etc. 4 small subs can tuck in a column easy! etc...

feedback appreciated

Thanks Vince
If you use 4 subs, I found that corner placement works better than mid-wall placement - at least in my room. The frequency response was similar, but the output was much better. Also, I found that for mid-wall placement with 2 subs, putting them on the shorter sides (front and back walls) gave better frequency response. 4 subs with corner placement will give you about 4x the power of 2 subs with mid-wall placement, using the same subs.

Depending on how many seats you have, you might be better off with wider dispersion speakers on the side surrounds.
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Yeah I am not caring to much for this new format. I really liked the Huddler forum. I can only guess they will work on it and up date as they are already reading the gripes.
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Rhed- room is 31 ft deep x 20 ft wide

dgage- I have read those SI 24" threads, scary bass for sure! But its hard to hide 4 ft Marty sub...unless I give up on the clean room look?

CoolGeek- The media team has only dealt with Traditional brands, "you sure you dont want our Paradugm or Hsu sub?...I said no thank you", I want an animal sub x 2 or x 4...S1/S2 I think I can keep clean look, OS cannot be beat as everybody says for raw power, but cannot be buried in a column... I guess behind a deep false wall? But they convinced me "You better go listen to these JTR speakers, before we design whole room around them"..I said "OK will do"

RMK- I am willing to fiddle with Rane type hardware or Jriver S/W but I want once its dialed in, 2-3 profiles to choose, I'm, done...no ongoing tweaking soap opera?

Thanks for the feedback....

Vince
If you are using a HTPC as your source, check out a trial for Dirac Live. I found it really easy to tune that to dial in great sound. You can easily switch between a few target curves, but I was able to find a single target curve that sounded great for everything, which was a surprise.
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I still wish it was easier to put pictures in your posts like it was before....lol


Anyways I got my last two subs setup tonight, hopefully I can take some measurements this weekend.
That is monstrous!!!! Kudos man! makes those 212's look like little ihome speakers.

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It might have been me, but my "Subscriptions" don't show up easily. Plus, I can't tell how many new posts each thread has and it didn't take me to the most recent new post.....

Guess it will take some getting used to.
This is garbage enough for me to stop posting. I can't stand any of this. Classifieds are trash, no pricing area on the posts, no general view for all the sub categories, etc. Picture uploading, no recent post viewing, absolutely awful. I didn't even know this was coming or I would have bid everyone adieu before the change, now it's too hard to even figure out how to do it!

EDIT: Also, I apparently am no longer a club member all of a sudden? I wore that badge with pride, screw it now.
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Depending on how many seats you have, you might be better off with wider dispersion speakers on the side surrounds.
THIS ^^^^^

While the 228's are not much more than the S8's, I think it is gross misuse of funds and space. The single8's are ridiculously incredible performers. More than most would even need (other than around here) for main speakers, much less surrounds. 228's for surrounds is silly, and the larger dispersion pattern of the single 8's is better anyways for a multi-row theater to begin with.
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Rhed- room is 31 ft deep x 20 ft wide

dgage- I have read those SI 24" threads, scary bass for sure! But its hard to hide 4 ft Marty sub...unless I give up on the clean room look?

CoolGeek- The media team has only dealt with Traditional brands, "you sure you dont want our Paradugm or Hsu sub?...I said no thank you", I want an animal sub x 2 or x 4...S1/S2 I think I can keep clean look, OS cannot be beat as everybody says for raw power, but cannot be buried in a column... I guess behind a deep false wall? But they convinced me "You better go listen to these JTR speakers, before we design whole room around them"..I said "OK will do"

RMK- I am willing to fiddle with Rane type hardware or Jriver S/W but I want once its dialed in, 2-3 profiles to choose, I'm, done...no ongoing tweaking soap opera?

Thanks for the feedback....

Vince
Oh, you are in the wrong hobby if you are fiddle averse ...

I have tweaked my setup a couple of times since the 215 GTG and the JRiver is much more difficult to setup. DD got the audio right but we didn't play many/any movie clips and it is skipping frames. I have tried to tweak it and managed to make it worse. HTPC's are black holes unless you have lots of time and or really dig into it.

The audio through the Rane is just right so I'm really happy there but that device has a shelf life.


Oh, and I agree about the S8's for surrounds.

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Works fine for me. I just saw your post.

You have to click "User CP" instead of "Subscriptions" to see new posts.
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This is garbage enough for me to stop posting. I can't stand any of this. Classifieds are trash, no pricing area on the posts, no general view for all the sub categories, etc. Picture uploading, no recent post viewing, absolutely awful. I didn't even know this was coming or I would have bid everyone adieu before the change, now it's too hard to even figure out how to do it!

EDIT: Also, I apparently am no longer a club member all of a sudden? I wore that badge with pride, screw it now.
I can only imagine that they will work on it. I am also a little ticked about the AVS club badge missing. I said something in the gripe forum. I figured out how to get my page back to the dark tone vs the blue, so I that is one thing good for now.

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Jeesh, it's only been a day and all this angst about a few feature changes and some conversion issues. Talk about first world problems ...

BTW, hate the new emoticons

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Works fine for me. I just saw your post.

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I meant, previously, in your subscribed section, you could go to "first unread post" and that is basically how I navigated and made sure I didn't miss anything with all of my regular threads.

I clicked on the user CP link and couldn't even find the JTR thread, I guess since every single subscribed thread I have is now "unread"

Where is this so-called "gripe" thread. I need to give someone an earful....
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I meant, previously, in your subscribed section, you could go to "first unread post" and that is basically how I navigated and made sure I didn't miss anything with all of my regular threads.

I clicked on the user CP link and couldn't even find the JTR thread, I guess since every single subscribed thread I have is now "unread"

Where is this so-called "gripe" thread. I need to give someone an earful....
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Rhed- room is 31 ft deep x 20 ft wide

dgage- I have read those SI 24" threads, scary bass for sure! But its hard to hide 4 ft Marty sub...unless I give up on the clean room look?

CoolGeek- The media team has only dealt with Traditional brands, "you sure you dont want our Paradugm or Hsu sub?...I said no thank you", I want an animal sub x 2 or x 4...S1/S2 I think I can keep clean look, OS cannot be beat as everybody says for raw power, but cannot be buried in a column... I guess behind a deep false wall? But they convinced me "You better go listen to these JTR speakers, before we design whole room around them"..I said "OK will do"

RMK- I am willing to fiddle with Rane type hardware or Jriver S/W but I want once its dialed in, 2-3 profiles to choose, I'm, done...no ongoing tweaking soap opera?

Thanks for the feedback....

Vince
You're looking at 3 215s, which tells me you are doing an AT screen, which tells me you could fit some subs in between the 215s, including the monsters that are the SI HS24s.

But don't let some of what you hear about the SI HS24s scare you. They are capable of monstrous levels of bass but they are also able to loaf along and provide crystal clear bass for music (we had them crossed at 100Hz, which is higher than normal). I heard them pounding and loafing and it truly is an impressive sub. I have 3 LMS 5400s, which are arguably one of the best, lowest distortion subs on the planet. I wouldn't hesitate to replace my 3 LMS 5400s with a pair of HS24s if I could fit them in my much smaller living room.

As far as EQing, you might also want to consider a MiniDSP NanoAVR, which is pretty nice and easy to use.
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Oh, you are in the wrong hobby if you are fiddle averse ...

I have tweaked my setup a couple of times since the 215 GTG and the JRiver is much more difficult to setup. DD got the audio right but we didn't play many/any movie clips and it is skipping frames. I have tried to tweak it and managed to make it worse. HTPC's are black holes unless you have lots of time and or really dig into it.

The audio through the Rane is just right so I'm really happy there but that device has a shelf life.


Oh, and I agree about the S8's for surrounds.
I told you to get a real video card. You can go to Tools > Options > Video > General Video Settings and set it back to Red October Standard. I think you are using Red October HQ. This mode uses the pixel shaders of the video card, bypasses the video card's algorithms, performs 16 bit processing for chroma upscaling and resolution scaling, and does the highest quality YCbCr -> RGB conversion for output from an HTPC to the projector. Depending on the settings you can tax even the fastest video card available. If you want to fiddle, you can see the madVR guide at JRiver to find settings that work with your onboard video.
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I wanted to get the JTR community opinion on the following speaker configurations would be best..(For 80% HT/20% music)...

Option A: 3 x 212, 4 x 228, 2 x OS

Option B: 3 x 212, 4 x 228, 2 x S2

option C: 3 x 212, 4 x 228, 4 x Hsu Subs($1k level)

option D: 3 x 215, 4 x 228, 2 x S2 (pre-wire for future when budget allows)

I spoke with Jeff he told me I would be wasting my $ with the 215's upfront, go with option A (surprise to hear the owner steer me away from his top of the line)...problem with option A is if the theater is to have a clean look with speakers behind the false wall and in columns, you cant hide 2 orbital shifters

My builder's HT team like option C, they claim nothing beats the smoothness of bass of 4 wall midpoint subs (12" $1K Hsu or SVS)

My preference is Option B or D...the raw output of dual S2 front & Back will surpass that perfect little (4) sub symmetry?

or option D- You listen to 215's upfront (which I will hear on 6/28 thanks to DLBeck-David) they turn you into a 50/50 music/HT user, and output enough bass, you can live without the S2 (but pre-wire side walls just in case) Can an S2 be fit in a large column? or look stupid so big? Possible difficulty blending the LFE of the 215's with added S2's if required..need a complex JR river or Rane setup config file?

Note- I show speakers next to each other for illustration only, but in reality the S2 up-front could be under center channel or side wall subs under surrounds.etc. 4 small subs can tuck in a column easy! etc...

feedback appreciated

Thanks Vince
Vince...
You don't need 228s as surrounds bud. S8s will do the job nicely.

As for the rest... 212x3 lcr, subs: s2s or captivator 2400s (I have the cap and love it), s8s all around.

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I told you to get a real video card. You can go to Tools > Options > Video > General Video Settings and set it back to Red October Standard. I think you are using Red October HQ. This mode uses the pixel shaders of the video card, bypasses the video card's algorithms, performs 16 bit processing for chroma upscaling and resolution scaling, and does the highest quality YCbCr -> RGB conversion for output from an HTPC to the projector. Depending on the settings you can tax even the fastest video card available. If you want to fiddle, you can see the madVR guide at JRiver to find settings that work with your onboard video.
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You're looking at 3 215s, which tells me you are doing an AT screen, which tells me you could fit some subs in between the 215s, including the monsters that are the SI HS24s.

But don't let some of what you hear about the SI HS24s scare you. They are capable of monstrous levels of bass but they are also able to loaf along and provide crystal clear bass for music (we had them crossed at 100Hz, which is higher than normal). I heard them pounding and loafing and it truly is an impressive sub. I have 3 LMS 5400s, which are arguably one of the best, lowest distortion subs on the planet. I wouldn't hesitate to replace my 3 LMS 5400s with a pair of HS24s if I could fit them in my much smaller living room.

As far as EQing, you might also want to consider a MiniDSP NanoAVR, which is pretty nice and easy to use.
Maybe after hearing the 3 x 215, I decide to go that route...I can see where Im at bass-wise...can always add (DIY SI 24" or S2 ) x 2
you bring up a good point, could make the baffle wall little deeper to accomodate monster sub...
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Vince...
You don't need 228s as surrounds bud. S8s will do the job nicely.

As for the rest... 212x3 lcr, subs: s2s or captivator 2400s (I have the cap and love it), s8s all around.

228s won't make good surrounds. Too direct.
Jeff did say his 228's would sound better and the sweet spot, but you are right the whole room sound field would drop off. or the 3 x 215's will drive the show! no matter what the surrounds?
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So any news on the mythical matching centers for the 210RT/215RT? I'm seriously looking into putting in a 210RT order for a 3.0 setup and the lack of appropriate center channel layout is mildly frustrating. You think he'll do a custom 210RT with the horn in the center and some kind of symmetrical port layout on the ends?
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