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This is my gaming rig / HTPC. Built it myself and have since done many (feels like many..in reality, 2) more like it. It's running on a custom water loop, all hand formed rigid acrylic tubing. It's an overclocked I7 and dual GTX 780 Ti cards in SLI. I push around 5760x1200 resolution easily. 4K actually renders faster than that. 

I'm up to 9tb of storage and over 1tb across 4 250gb Samsung SSDs, two of which are raid 0, with the other two as redundant. I use it mostly as a video / music server at this point (I have an OPPO 103d for blu ray watching).....but this Rain software you guys are talking about is peaking my interests into building a badass HTPC into my media room. 

Anywho...here's the build log. Specs have changed drastically since then. 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1410408/corsair-air-540-crush


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Do most here feel the JTR's are the equal of the seaton cats?

Or is one better then the other?
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This is my gaming rig / HTPC. Built it myself and have since done many (feels like many..in reality, 2) more like it. It's running on a custom water loop, all hand formed rigid acrylic tubing. It's an overclocked I7 and dual GTX 780 Ti cards in SLI. I push around 5760x1200 resolution easily. 4K actually renders faster than that. 


I'm up to 9tb of storage and over 1tb across 4 250gb Samsung SSDs, two of which are raid 0, with the other two as redundant. I use it mostly as a video / music server at this point (I have an OPPO 103d for blu ray watching).....but this Rain software you guys are talking about is peaking my interests into building a badass HTPC into my media room. 


Anywho...here's the build log. Specs have changed drastically since then. 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1410408/corsair-air-540-crush

HOLY SH!!T!!!
Can't imagine doing COD Ghost or BF4 on that! Damm.. I've built a few PC's myself with SLI and Crossfires with intel extremes. But man, I don't even wanna ask what you got in there!
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Do most here feel the JTR's are the equal of the seaton cats?

Or is one better then the other?


Coke and Pepsi basically. Both are incredible. You will find plenty of guys that have heard them both and prefer one over the other, you really have to hear for yourself to decide. Sorry, that's no help at all....
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This is my gaming rig / HTPC. Built it myself and have since done many (feels like many..in reality, 2) more like it. It's running on a custom water loop, all hand formed rigid acrylic tubing. It's an overclocked I7 and dual GTX 780 Ti cards in SLI. I push around 5760x1200 resolution easily. 4K actually renders faster than that. 


I'm up to 9tb of storage and over 1tb across 4 250gb Samsung SSDs, two of which are raid 0, with the other two as redundant. I use it mostly as a video / music server at this point (I have an OPPO 103d for blu ray watching).....but this Rain software you guys are talking about is peaking my interests into building a badass HTPC into my media room. 


Anywho...here's the build log. Specs have changed drastically since then. 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1410408/corsair-air-540-crush

Nice man! Nice to see another gaming nerd on here, awesome looking setup!!!!! lol.

Here's mine of a year ago or so " http://www.overclock.net/lists/display/view/id/5300075 " It's pretty different now with a third titan ( hard modded to 1.3V) I've got a different res and different tubing and did all white wiring. I actually just bought a CL STH10 case and am going to go with acrylic tubing for my new Haswell-E build ( still haven't figures out which tubing though) I'm going with 4 x 480 rads, triple DDC pwm (already have in use) and hopefully the new asus rampage 5 extreme will come with a M.2 slot or 2, I'd love to shove a couple 512GB drives in there! soooooo fast!

One thing I love about acrylic is the fittings are way cheaper than plastic and it just looks much nicer. Once you get into the 90's and stuff, they are 20$ a pop. I've got $450 in just fittings in my current rig! LOL

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Nice man! Nice to see another gaming nerd on here, awesome looking setup!!!!! lol.

Here's mine of a year ago or so " http://www.overclock.net/lists/display/view/id/5300075 " It's pretty different now with a third titan ( hard modded to 1.3V) I've got a different res and different tubing and did all white wiring. I actually just bought a CL STH10 case and am going to go with acrylic tubing for my new Haswell-E build ( still haven't figures out which tubing though) I'm going with 4 x 480 rads, triple DDC pwm (already have in use) and hopefully the new asus rampage 5 extreme will come with a M.2 slot or 2, I'd love to shove a couple 512GB drives in there! soooooo fast!

One thing I love about acrylic is the fittings are way cheaper than plastic and it just looks much nicer. Once you get into the 90's and stuff, they are 20$ a pop. I've got $450 in just fittings in my current rig! LOL

I remember you posting your rig here.. You and Lone got some killer rigs. That side of my hobby has been sleeping couple of years now. I spent a lot of money just to chase those frames. I now just game on the X1 and ps4 (I know, I know, mouse and board is still king for FPS). Lol.. And occasionally on the PC. Probably go back when Advance Warfighter is out..
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Coke and Pepsi basically. Both are incredible. You will find plenty of guys that have heard them both and prefer one over the other, you really have to hear for yourself to decide. Sorry, that's no help at all....

May not be helpful but absolutely true. Speakers don't sound the same any more than 2 world class cars drive the same. And again SOWK, you are lucky in that you live near both JTR and Seaton so you should go listen to the Cats. I hope to have the opportunity. And while we're talking about these two world class speakers, I would also throw in Danley to the conversation. The Danley's may not be quite as articulate as the JTRs but they have strong midbass and a huge soundstage that was phenomenal in Beast's theater. Movies were simply outstanding and music was pretty damn good too although different from the JTRs and presumably the Seatons.
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Aw man! Now you guys got me thinking again.. I might just build a HTPC after all the speakers and amps are all setup and done. I never got into a HTPC. But nothing extreme. And probably with silent air cooled. In a LAN party case.
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Coke and Pepsi basically. Both are incredible. You will find plenty of guys that have heard them both and prefer one over the other, you really have to hear for yourself to decide. Sorry, that's no help at all....

Honestly I don't think I've read anywhere about someone preferring the Cat12's over the 212HT's, I remember reading the GTG where Mark let the Cat12's run wild in full range mode. But other then guys being amazed by the bass output I still don't recall anyone saying they like the way the Cat's sounded better.
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Looks good. I gotta start planning on mounting my Single 8's. Some of the fella's gave me some ideas, however I really don't want to drill into them. I would really like to have the option of pivoting them. I left a window in my new room and I am now going to have to mount one of them a little further forward than I wanted. Sucks because I found a set of stands I really liked but they only go about 10" and can maybe get 11" wide. I wrote to a guy that has them and he said no way I would be about to squeeze anything bigger in them.
reef, I'm sure Jeff can make the size work. Also he usually has mounting brackets so you don't have to drill into them. I think the T8's I used to have accepted #8 screw heads that locked into the mounting brackets. The its just a matter of having a swivel mechanism if you want too. Just talk with Jeff if you're really stuck on a dimension. Good luck.

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Nice man! Nice to see another gaming nerd on here, awesome looking setup!!!!! lol.

Here's mine of a year ago or so " http://www.overclock.net/lists/display/view/id/5300075 " It's pretty different now with a third titan ( hard modded to 1.3V) I've got a different res and different tubing and did all white wiring. I actually just bought a CL STH10 case and am going to go with acrylic tubing for my new Haswell-E build ( still haven't figures out which tubing though) I'm going with 4 x 480 rads, triple DDC pwm (already have in use) and hopefully the new asus rampage 5 extreme will come with a M.2 slot or 2, I'd love to shove a couple 512GB drives in there! soooooo fast!

One thing I love about acrylic is the fittings are way cheaper than plastic and it just looks much nicer. Once you get into the 90's and stuff, they are 20$ a pop. I've got $450 in just fittings in my current rig! LOL


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Off topic for a moment......
For those interested in just having pass-thru to your AVR, this is my htpc in action. Crummy iphone vid so please ignore the colors and off center position. Jeez I didn't even get the whole screen. Oh well good for a preview I guess. In person the colors are vivid , bright and look awesome.



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Finalizing with Jeff on the purchase of L/C/R 228HT's. Just waiting for his email back. I am excited to finally join the JTR fan club. smile.gif

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This is my gaming rig / HTPC. Built it myself and have since done many (feels like many..in reality, 2) more like it. It's running on a custom water loop, all hand formed rigid acrylic tubing. It's an overclocked I7 and dual GTX 780 Ti cards in SLI. I push around 5760x1200 resolution easily. 4K actually renders faster than that. 


I'm up to 9tb of storage and over 1tb across 4 250gb Samsung SSDs, two of which are raid 0, with the other two as redundant. I use it mostly as a video / music server at this point (I have an OPPO 103d for blu ray watching).....but this Rain software you guys are talking about is peaking my interests into building a badass HTPC into my media room. 


Anywho...here's the build log. Specs have changed drastically since then. 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1410408/corsair-air-540-crush

Godamn... straight out of star trek stuff...
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Off topic for a moment......
For those interested in just having pass-thru to your AVR, this is my htpc in action. Crummy iphone vid so please ignore the colors and off center position. Jeez I didn't even get the whole screen. Oh well good for a preview I guess. In person the colors are vivid , bright and look awesome.



Back on topic....
Finalizing with Jeff on the purchase of L/C/R 228HT's. Just waiting for his email back. I am excited to finally join the JTR fan club. smile.gif

Thanks for the cool vid and welcome to the club. Did you get a chance to hear them before you decided to order?
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OK, thinking about the 215RT now for my LCR. I think it would give me the most flexibility and change further down the road. I was going to start my stage build this weekend and had a question about height. The ceiling height above the stage is 93.5", I was going to build the stage out of 2x10's with 2 layers of .75" plywood or OSB on top of that. That gives me roughly 10" of space above the speakers. Is that plenty of room or should I make my stage out of 2x6's or 2x4's and save a few inches? Or will the few inches really not do anything for me. Planning on an AT screen with 2 dual opposed subs to match. The room is roughly 15'9"x26'. Front 5 feet of the room is 93.5"tall, back half of the room is 108" tall.
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And I've got a workstation, not gaming area, that I use for work at home that is a walking treadmill with dual 24" monitors and my laptop dock. Here is an initial picture before I cleaned up the wiring. Took a while to be able to stand up for several hours without my back hurting but it is good now. Only issue is I can't have a conference call while walking on the treadmill as it isn't that quiet. Maybe I should buy a fully enclosed motorcycle helmet with built-in bluetooth so I can have calls and walk at the same time.



Relating this to JTR...I've got nothin'. But after a long week of work, I do look forward to a good movie on a great (to me) system powered by JTR speakers. smile.gif
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Honestly I don't think I've read anywhere about someone preferring the Cat12's over the 212HT's, I remember reading the GTG where Mark let the Cat12's run wild in full range mode. But other then guys being amazed by the bass output I still don't recall anyone saying they like the way the Cat's sounded better.

I remember that too.. the way I see it the cats used to be the top dog before the noesis 212s... then after that 212s took over top dog position... then the danleys made an appearance and ppl were split. Now we have a new kid on the block and rmk is playing with it.. the 215s... the danleys beats out the 212s in soundstage n mid bass... now no one has compared it to the 215s yet.. which has bigger soundstage n more midbass?
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Thanks for the cool vid and welcome to the club. Did you get a chance to hear them before you decided to order?

I did a blind buy on them. What I love about this forum is if you read enough and ask the right questions, on the whole you will get a pretty good idea about what to expect on said products. I bought my Denon 4311CI the same way. And to think I started last Oct. with my current system after having a HTIB Onkyo forever on a 24 in monitor. My tiny steps are getting just a tad bigger. smile.gif

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I did a blind buy on them. What I love about this forum is if you read enough and ask the right questions, on the whole you will get a pretty good idea about what to expect on said products. I bought my Denon 4311CI the same way. And to think I started last Oct. with my current system after having a HTIB Onkyo forever on a 24 in monitor. My tiny steps are getting just a tad bigger. smile.gif

You did what? You spent almost $4000 on speakers without hearing them? Damn. That's crazy. Oh, wait...I didn't hear the 212s and Slanted 8s before I bought them. Oh, maybe you're not so crazy. smile.gif Yeah, I agree with you. I did enough research that I had a good feeling that the JTRs would be what I wanted. Are they perfect? No, but they are pretty damn good.

I'm not sure what your next steps would be...maybe you should have just went with the 215RTs so you wouldn't have anywhere to go. LOL!
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Honestly I don't think I've read anywhere about someone preferring the Cat12's over the 212HT's, I remember reading the GTG where Mark let the Cat12's run wild in full range mode. But other then guys being amazed by the bass output I still don't recall anyone saying they like the way the Cat's sounded better.

I did....

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For those interested in just having pass-thru to your AVR, this is my htpc in action. Crummy iphone vid so please ignore the colors and off center position. Jeez I didn't even get the whole screen. Oh well good for a preview I guess. In person the colors are vivid , bright and look awesome.



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Finalizing with Jeff on the purchase of L/C/R 228HT's. Just waiting for his email back. I am excited to finally join the JTR fan club. smile.gif

I would love to see something awesome like this whilst listening to music. That is just plain awesome biggrin.gif

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You did what? You spent almost $4000 on speakers without hearing them? Damn. That's crazy. Oh, wait...I didn't hear the 212s and Slanted 8s before I bought them. Oh, maybe you're not so crazy. smile.gif Yeah, I agree with you. I did enough research that I had a good feeling that the JTRs would be what I wanted. Are they perfect? No, but they are pretty damn good.

I'm not sure what your next steps would be...maybe you should have just went with the 215RTs so you wouldn't have anywhere to go. LOL!

I was going with the Ascend Horizon with the RAAL upgrade and price wise about the same as 228's. jbrown15 was also looking at the Ascend line and he had no regrets on getting the 228's at that time. The other thing that swayed me was I lived 50 years in WI and would rather support a WI business. Jeff's business was only about 40 minutes from where I lived.

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I was going with the Ascend Horizon with the RAAL upgrade and price wise about the same as 228's. jbrown15 was also looking at the Ascend line and he had no regrets on getting the 228's at that time. The other thing that swayed me was I lived 50 years in WI and would rather support a WI business. Jeff's business was only about 40 minutes from where I lived.

Funny as the Ascends were the speaker I was researching right before I came upon the JTRs...and the rest is history. smile.gif Great minds think alike? OK, mediocre to good mind in my case. smile.gif
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Honestly I don't think I've read anywhere about someone preferring the Cat12's over the 212HT's, I remember reading the GTG where Mark let the Cat12's run wild in full range mode. But other then guys being amazed by the bass output I still don't recall anyone saying they like the way the Cat's sounded better.
I would not say that is true. I forget the guys name, but he demoed Gooddocs 212 system and then bought a pair of Cat's and picked them up at Gorillas's GTG form a member selling them. I also heard a few guys after the GTG that said they liked the Cat's over the my 212's. When I heard the Cat's head to head with the Noesis, I was pretty torn myself, they both sounded great and If I had to pick that night it would have been a hard decision. However when I heard them blind the second time, I did not get the same impression. The second time they were behind the AT screen, I don't know if that made the difference or not. They sounded warmer to me. Very clean and clear, but not as dynamic as the Danleys and the Noesis.
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reef, I'm sure Jeff can make the size work. Also he usually has mounting brackets so you don't have to drill into them. I think the T8's I used to have accepted #8 screw heads that locked into the mounting brackets. The its just a matter of having a swivel mechanism if you want too. Just talk with Jeff if you're really stuck on a dimension. Good luck.
Thanks for the info, I will do that.
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I would not say that is true. I forget the guys name, but he demoed Gooddocs 212 system and then bought a pair of Cat's and picked them up at Gorillas's GTG form a member selling them.
That'd have been me biggrin.gif. The largest reason I went with the Cats, though, was because they could be crossed lower. While they may sacrifice a little efficiency to gain a lower x-over setting, they are still more efficient than I'll ever need. Moreover, I did find the JTRs a little bit brighter in general, but I can't say that I had enough "ear time" with both of them to definitively conclude this.

Ultimately, I still really like the Cats. I do still need to find the time to treat my room and tweak their positions, but the more I listen to on them, the more I'm happy with my purchase. Though I still crave more bass, lol...the wife, however, is pretty set that I'm not getting any more unless I move out of the family room, lol.
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I did....

You liked the Cat 12's better then the 212's?
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You liked the Cat 12's better then the 212's?

Yep. And fwiw the second g2g which we did blind where both were in attendance, I liked the cats better again. Yes, it was the same room, but my experience at least was the same. Dave's was not, so that goes to show how perceptions can and will change... I felt the Cat's to be the most impressive out of pretty much all the speakers we played at the first mega-shootout. The Yorkvilles and the Noesis were both very close behind, but the added extension of the cats, and something with their upper-end is what really drew me in. Very smooth and effortless.

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OK, thinking about the 215RT now for my LCR. I think it would give me the most flexibility and change further down the road. I was going to start my stage build this weekend and had a question about height. The ceiling height above the stage is 93.5", I was going to build the stage out of 2x10's with 2 layers of .75" plywood or OSB on top of that. That gives me roughly 10" of space above the speakers. Is that plenty of room or should I make my stage out of 2x6's or 2x4's and save a few inches? Or will the few inches really not do anything for me. Planning on an AT screen with 2 dual opposed subs to match. The room is roughly 15'9"x26'. Front 5 feet of the room is 93.5"tall, back half of the room is 108" tall.


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10" between the top of the speaker and the ceiling? That would put the horn wayyyy to high IMO. You want the horn of the speaker to be as close to ear-level as you can get.

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