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post #20431 of 30238 Old 06-06-2014, 10:11 AM
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Sorry, after I posted I remembered your screen name. It was on the tip of my tongue, I knew warrior something. Glad to hear you liking the Cat's I also love them. One of the things that I did not like was the built in amps as where I would have had to place them would have overloaded the circuits. . However now that I have a wall of 20 amp recipticals with 12/2 wire to a 20 amp beakers, I would not hesitate to entertain some Cat's or anything Mark has up his sleeve down the road. I know he explained the amps, so I know why there is not a passive version.
The amplifiers are pretty efficient, and with efficient amplifiers plus efficient speakers, I am pretty sure I'm not close to popping breakers before my ears start to give out. In fact, I have both mine connected to a Panamax unit because I needed some way to switch them off with the receiver and the Panamax I bought has a triggered relay. The relay is rated, I believe it said, to 18 amps and the unit is connected to a 20 amp breaker. No issues so far and I've pushed them as hard as I can stand, and my ears were ringing afterwards to let me know it eek.gif so I need to worry about them before I worry about the breakers, lol. The front sub is on the same 20 amp breaker, too.

I guess what I'm saying is, if a single 20 amp breaker is a limit, it is one I'm not noticing at the moment.
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The amplifiers are pretty efficient, and with efficient amplifiers plus efficient speakers, I am pretty sure I'm not close to popping breakers before my ears start to give out. In fact, I have both mine connected to a Panamax unit because I needed some way to switch them off with the receiver and the Panamax I bought has a triggered relay. The relay is rated, I believe it said, to 18 amps and the unit is connected to a 20 amp breaker. No issues so far and I've pushed them as hard as I can stand, and my ears were ringing afterwards to let me know it eek.gif so I need to worry about them before I worry about the breakers, lol. The front sub is on the same 20 amp breaker, too.

I guess what I'm saying is, if a single 20 amp breaker is a limit, it is one I'm not noticing at the moment.

Thank you for posting this! You gave me a great idea with the Panamax.
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Thank you for posting this! You gave me a great idea with the Panamax.
Cool...I was going to buy the pricey Furman units just to do the switching, but couldn't justify spending that much on a relay. Didn't really want to spend that much on the Panamax either, but....it was there at Best Buy, so....
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10" between the top of the speaker and the ceiling? That would put the horn wayyyy to high IMO. You want the horn of the speaker to be as close to ear-level as you can get.

That might require the 210HT but then there'd be the smaller horn and I wouldn't recommend that.

So another option would be the 215RM, which is the center version of the 215RT with the large horn but it supposedly only goes down to 60Hz. Very similar would be the 212HT, which I'd say on paper is a step down from the 215RM.

My feeling if you're considering the 215RT, you find a way to fit them "correctly" including the port at the bottom front. Or potentially think about the Cats or Danleys or....

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The amplifiers are pretty efficient, and with efficient amplifiers plus efficient speakers, I am pretty sure I'm not close to popping breakers before my ears start to give out. In fact, I have both mine connected to a Panamax unit because I needed some way to switch them off with the receiver and the Panamax I bought has a triggered relay. The relay is rated, I believe it said, to 18 amps and the unit is connected to a 20 amp breaker. No issues so far and I've pushed them as hard as I can stand, and my ears were ringing afterwards to let me know it eek.gif so I need to worry about them before I worry about the breakers, lol. The front sub is on the same 20 amp breaker, too.

I guess what I'm saying is, if a single 20 amp breaker is a limit, it is one I'm not noticing at the moment.
Cool glad it is working for you. I have a Panamax also, I have the 5400. The only thing I don't use it for are my amps other than the AVR. I have read that amps may be held back by a suppressor. It is one of those things that people do and people don't. I have so much stuff right now feeding off of two 15amp receptacles that I am amazed that I have never tripped them. I think one more thirsty amp would do it though.
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Cool glad it is working for you. I have a Panamax also, I have the 5400. The only thing I don't use it for are my amps other than the AVR. I have read that amps may be held back by a suppressor. It is one of those things that people do and people don't. I have so much stuff right now feeding off of two 15amp receptacles that I am amazed that I have never tripped them. I think one more thirsty amp would do it though.

I just read over the manual and it said:

"Outlet Bank 5 Two switched, high-current outlets controlled by the front panel Power Button or the DC Trigger input. Bank 5 has a 5 second turn on delay and turns off immediately upon shutdown. The High Current outlets provide power from a low impedance noise filtration circuit that does not limit the current to your equipment. Its output is noise isolated from all other outlet banks"

This is perfect! I have owned the Panamax M5300-PM unit for maybe 6 years or more and I never really had amps so I didn't pay any attention to this feature. The only thing that I wish it did was let you select which outlets would turn off and on instead of three different sections of outlets.
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Nice writeup on dlbeck's outstanding Theater in the "Community New and Polls" Section. That makes three of the last four HT's of the month featuring JTR Noesis speakers. cool.gif

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I still really want to hear from people that have the 215RT's and how they compare them to other speakers that owned in the past. RMK has done a good job so far. But interested in hearing more.


RMK, do you feel your 215RT are better then the high end Revels you had in every respect? as well as for all music types as well?


I forgot to mention that the guy who bought my first JTR Triple 12's was a self professed audiophile. He sold a Vandersteen setup (5A's as mains) and he was very happy with the change. He brought his wife up for the demo (usually not a good idea with JTR's) and after an hour she said "this is what we should do". I was kind of shocked as was he ... You just never know ... wink.gif

BTW, I have heard Vandersteens and was considering buying his for a two channel setup but decided I just would not get enough use out of them to make it worthwhile. They sound great within their limits.

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Nice writeup on dlbeck's outstanding Theater in the "Community New and Polls" Section. That makes three of the last four HT's of the month featuring JTR Noesis speakers. cool.gif
Apparently people who are discerning and meticulous enough to get featured have similar taste in speakers.
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I think Scott loves the JTR brand. biggrin.gif
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I think Scott loves the JTR brand. biggrin.gif

I don't think he has ever heard a JTR speaker ... smile.gif

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lbrown105, thanks for having me over on Saturday. It certainly reassured me on my JTR purchase.


Your sound setup is awe worthy, and is a great example and setup of Jeff's speakers.

Thank you again!

Also to anyone that hears them and if they "don't" image well, it is the setup only, not the speakers.

I felt that way when i listened at Jeff's, (again he was in the middle of building his room) the 215RT just plopped down in a general spot and they didn't image well. But at lbrown150's the JTR 212TH speakers imaged very very well, about 90% of my Vandersteens, and those are sound stage imaging beasts. (if setup correctly)


So moral of the story... Setup, setup, setup!!!!
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Wouldn't you just angle them down a bit? Also the second row of seats would be a on 12" riser.

You you could do this as long as you have the room behind the screen to do this angle. I was concerned about the horn height before I received them ... but they have 60/60 dispersion pattern and there are no issues for me but then, I do not have an elevated front stage.

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lbrown105, thanks for having me over on Saturday. It certainly reassured me on my JTR purchase.


Your sound setup is awe worthy, and is a great example and setup of Jeff's speakers.

Thank you again!

Also to anyone that hears them and if they "don't" image well, it is the setup only, not the speakers.

I felt that way when i listened at Jeff's, (again he was in the middle of building his room) the 215RT just plopped down in a general spot and they didn't image well. But at lbrown150's the JTR 212TH speakers imaged very very well, about 90% of my Vandersteens, and those are sound stage imaging beasts. (if setup correctly)


So moral of the story... Setup, setup, setup!!!!
SOWK, thanks for the nice comments. I have spent most of my time this year on room imporvements to focus on better FR, decay times and impulse response. I think it is really starting to pay off.

I think the flexibility and options your theater's stage offers, you are going to be very happy with your JTR selection. Look forward to hearing them when you get them.

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I think I am buying 3 more GIK panels to place on the ceiling to go along with the one I have. I loved the design you went with, and it was an inspiration.
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SOWK, thanks for the nice comments. I have spent most of my time this year on room imporvements to focus on better FR, decay times and impulse response. I think it is really starting to pay off.

I think the flexibility and options your theater's stage offers, you are going to be very happy with your JTR selection. Look forward to hearing them when you get them.


Do you have a thread or a post somewhere that goes into detail with what you did to treat your room? If not would you mind posting that sometime when you get a chance? thanks! smile.gif I love how my 212's image as is, but there is always room for improvement!
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lbrown105, thanks for having me over on Saturday. It certainly reassured me on my JTR purchase.


Your sound setup is awe worthy, and is a great example and setup of Jeff's speakers.

Thank you again!

Also to anyone that hears them and if they "don't" image well, it is the setup only, not the speakers.

I felt that way when i listened at Jeff's, (again he was in the middle of building his room) the 215RT just plopped down in a general spot and they didn't image well. But at lbrown150's the JTR 212TH speakers imaged very very well, about 90% of my Vandersteens, and those are sound stage imaging beasts. (if setup correctly)


So moral of the story... Setup, setup, setup!!!!



The word is that the 215's image better than the 212's. If so, you (and I smile.gif) are in for a treat when we get our 215's because I think the 212's are outstanding - not as good however as the Danley SH50's I had in my room to compare. So my hope is to have the imaging/soundstage of the Danley's with the sound signature of the 212's - awesome combination if that's the case.
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He brought his wife up for the demo (usually not a good idea with JTR's) and after an hour she said "this is what we should do".

At Axpona the JTR 215's were my wife's favorite speakers. She loved their smooth sound. Bright speakers hurt her ears.
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Do you have a thread or a post somewhere that goes into detail with what you did to treat your room? If not would you mind posting that sometime when you get a chance? thanks! smile.gif I love how my 212's image as is, but there is always room for improvement!
Carp, I have been just waiting on my carpeting to finish off the major overahaul I have been working on since February. It is scheduled for next week so after that I will post a thread. I did not document every detail but quite a transorfmation non the less and I also have testing results from before and after too. I'll attach a link in this thread when I get it done. Should be a couple of weeks. Yes the 215's do image veery well when I heard them at Axpona, you are going to be pleased I'm sure.

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Carp, I have been just waiting on my carpeting to finish off the major overahaul I have been working on since February. It is scheduled for next week so after that I will post a thread. I did not document every detail but quite a transorfmation non the less and I also have testing results from before and after too. I'll attach a link in this thread when I get it done. Should be a couple of weeks. Yes the 215's do image veery well when I heard them at Axpona, you are going to be pleased I'm sure.

I was in the same boat as you, after 6 months I was able to finally get carpet installed on my rear rise and front stage.






Now I just have to finish up the fabric frame panels to go around the screen and I'll finally be down. smile.gif
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Carp, I have been just waiting on my carpeting to finish off the major overahaul I have been working on since February. It is scheduled for next week so after that I will post a thread. I did not document every detail but quite a transorfmation non the less and I also have testing results from before and after too. I'll attach a link in this thread when I get it done. Should be a couple of weeks. Yes the 215's do image veery well when I heard them at Axpona, you are going to be pleased I'm sure.

Looking forward to seeing the results!
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Wow, had never seen the other side of your theater, that looks great man! Very well done!

Thanks Brandon! smile.gif I was originally going to use the same carpet for the riser and stage but when I went to buy it the store no longer stocked it and it would have been a special order so the price would have been double. So I decided to go with a darker brown for some contrast and a two tone look. I was really happy with how it turned out.

I'm also luck that my buddy installs carpet, he was cursing and swearing installing the carpet on the stage for the curved part while keeping the pattern on the carpet all running the same way....lol Only cost me $200 to have him install all of it and he was saying that anyone else would charge this out as custom upholstery work which is code for expensive....lol
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I was in the same boat as you, after 6 months I was able to finally get carpet installed on my rear rise and front stage.






Now I just have to finish up the fabric frame panels to go around the screen and I'll finally be down. smile.gif


Nice!! cool.gif

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lbrown105, thanks for having me over on Saturday. It certainly reassured me on my JTR purchase.


Your sound setup is awe worthy, and is a great example and setup of Jeff's speakers.

Thank you again!

Also to anyone that hears them and if they "don't" image well, it is the setup only, not the speakers.

I felt that way when i listened at Jeff's, (again he was in the middle of building his room) the 215RT just plopped down in a general spot and they didn't image well. But at lbrown150's the JTR 212TH speakers imaged very very well, about 90% of my Vandersteens, and those are sound stage imaging beasts. (if setup correctly)


So moral of the story... Setup, setup, setup!!!!

Yes and the same with treating your room as far as where to place panels. Bass traps are easy smile.gif

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I was in the same boat as you, after 6 months I was able to finally get carpet installed on my rear rise and front stage.




Now I just have to finish up the fabric frame panels to go around the screen and I'll finally be down. smile.gif
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Now I just have to finish up the fabric frame panels to go around the screen and I'll finally be down. smile.gif
that looks great. Very clean looking. Excellent job!

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Yes and the same with treating your room as far as where to place panels. Bass traps are easy smile.gif
proper placement of panels makes a huge difference in the impulse response. I am starting to see (hear actually) that IR, decay times and FR really tell you a lot. In the past I had way too much emphasis on FR only. Also I see a big improvement in bass decay with moving mass that would be very difficult to get with even several feet of pink fluffy.

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proper placement of panels makes a huge difference in the impulse response. I am starting to see (hear actually) that IR, decay times and FR really tell you a lot. In the past I had way too much emphasis on FR only. Also I see a big improvement in bass decay with moving mass that would be very difficult to get with even several feet of pink fluffy.

Yes exactly! A good exercise is to take a very thin reflective type surface such as a utility rug, pieces of wood or whatever and place them on the floor in front of your front mains. Get some listening time then remove them. You will introduce some nasty reflections that would also measure on the impulse graph. You can also use the right click feature on REW to measure the distance. Not down to the inch but decently close. After removing you will see what it is like taming nasty first point reflections! smile.gif Although most here know what they are doing. But specular reflection panels can really improve your speakers! Especially the floor and ceiling. Side not is removing if you have plush carpet.

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I sold my 212's so it's official, I'm getting a pair of the 215's and in case it isn't obvious ^ I'm just a little bit excited about it (I do get carried away, when it comes to this hobby I'm like a little kid tongue.gifbiggrin.gif). If it weren't for seeing pictures I wouldn't have been interested but the minute I saw them I knew I was in trouble. I mean seriously... look at that last picture ^ how bad a$$ is that!!!! cool.gif Makes me glad I don't have an AT screen. smile.gif

I haven't had full range speakers since college, can't wait!!

I'm very curious to see what the results for bass will be for music. I've read for years that full range makes no sense because the best placement for the speakers is almost never the best place for the bass, so it's better to have separate subs. Then here recently I've read quite a few posts about how the time domain is better with full range and that it is very hard to duplicate that with subs no matter how much tweaking is done so I don't know what to think.... but I guess I'll find out.
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