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Old 06-13-2014, 06:38 PM
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First, let me say there is more dialing in and treatments to be done in my room. I guess it comes down to me being ignorant in buying the 212HT-LPs that likely have less midbass output than the regular 212s, which others have complained about not having enough midbass. If I change my mind about MY 212s after continuing to dial in my system with my MiniDSP NanoAVR, I'll report back but so far, even with a nice midbass boost, I'm not impressed with the midbass output of the sealed 212HT-LPs. I expected a lot more out of a pair of 12" even knowing that the design goal was high sensitivity.

So for those of you that think you might like more midbass than normal, I'd recommend you steer toward the ported 212HTs.
I didn't realize the LP's could potentially have less mid bass.

What sub do you have and can you cross at say 100 or 120? Provided the sub is in the front of the room. Or do some MBM's like dlbeck is doing with his set up.

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Awesome write up! Glad you are scooping the 212's! I agree it is always room dependent, and we did our best to just have both offerings situated where we could switch between them in real time so positioning was quite limited, but it was still pretty good sounding between both offerings and I feel like people saw good things about each.
Hey thanks I am pretty excited about them. Again realizing that there are speakers out there that do certain things better. It is all a compromise like it or not.

And I did love those Danleys! I would have bought them used from carp if that was what he was selling.

For the price I think I will be very happy with the movie performance. If I am nervous about anything it is the music. As I said it was hit or miss. Luckily a hit was the Dave Mathews and Tim Reynolds Blu Ray. It was jaw dropping for yours truly.

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Those same speakers were my first purchase several years ago! It's been a whirlwind since then, but I sold those to a buddy and are still ridiculously impressed with their ability and looks



The emmy driver has enough xmax to theoretically get some decent midbass, being basically equivalent to a single 15". It's not the need of more xmax, it is just a design preference.



You know, coach will have his pair only 2 short hours away from here in a few weeks, we could probably make that showdown happen
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Mine show up as a thumbnail? I read on the gripe page that you have to wrap the [IMG] [/IMG] tags around the picture or link. However mine just show up as a thumbnail ?
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Good luck man no timeframe quite yet on another g2g or anything, and I am wide As% open right now at work and such so I will welcome a slightly more chill schedule after summer
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Good luck man no timeframe quite yet on another g2g or anything, and I am wide As% open right now at work and such so I will welcome a slightly more chill schedule after summer
I thought about doing something in August when my theater is done. I more or less thought about a small BBQ GTG for some of the locals. You would be more than welcome, however I know it is a haul and would certainly not really be a big event or maybe it might
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Mine show up as a thumbnail? I read on the gripe page that you have to wrap the [IMG] [/IMG] tags around the picture or link. However mine just show up as a thumbnail ?
On my phone they do...hope they get this fixed. I hate to click on links each time to see the image. Painful...but huddle also sucked on mobile devices at first so I am not throwing in the towel.
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Mine show up as a thumbnail? I read on the gripe page that you have to wrap the [IMG] [/IMG] tags around the picture or link. However mine just show up as a thumbnail ?
On my phone they do...hope they get this fixed. I hate to click on links each time to see the image. Painful...but huddle also sucked on mobile devices at first so I am not throwing in the towel.
I see I'm sorry. I read it wrong. You are seeing a link vs the picture. I was talking about posting a link. I would say if your having problems on your phone, goto the bottom of the page and click on the "Desktop" viewer vs the "mobile" You will see the forum as you would at home on your desk top. Look at the very bottom of the page.

They are fixing stuff day by day. I see little blue arrows now to goto the last post. They will get it right, just take some time.
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I didn't realize the LP's could potentially have less mid bass.

What sub do you have and can you cross at say 100 or 120? Provided the sub is in the front of the room. Or do some MBM's like dlbeck is doing with his set up.
I have 3 LMS 5400s with 2 up front and 1 in the back right. I'm either going to add my two UXL-18s to the mix or sell them and get a single SI HS24.

So with my 3 LMS 5400s, I could definitely take them up a bit as they are very clean. The issue will be localization but I've tried them up to a 24/48 slope crossover at 150Hz. But I was in a hurry and didn't get the handoff between the 212s and subs clean as I didn't like the sound. I'll try again when I have time to integrate them better using the MiniDSP NanoAVR.
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I have 3 LMS 5400s with 2 up front and 1 in the back right. I'm either going to add my two UXL-18s to the mix or sell them and get a single SI HS24.

So with my 3 LMS 5400s, I could definitely take them up a bit as they are very clean. The issue will be localization but I've tried them up to a 24/48 slope crossover at 150Hz. But I was in a hurry and didn't get the handoff between the 212s and subs clean as I didn't like the sound. I'll try again when I have time to integrate them better using the MiniDSP NanoAVR.
Is it possible with that MiniDSP to only route the 150 and below to the front two and leave the rear one 80 and below? That could help with the localization. I know you already realize this but just thinking out loud here.

I may need to look into some form of outboard dsp as well if I find my Denon 4311 can't give me what I need to integrate a balancing sub with my OS. I have a little Rythmik F12SE that could work given the right gain controls and if I don't ask it to play low or loud. But I am skeptical so I might end up going DIY 18'' as you have with your UXL setup.

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Kind of a Debbie Downer post. I am sorry to post this.

I recently received 3 228HTs in black oak veneer and 4 Slant 8s in black satin finish. My retirement speaker system.
Unlike most here, my usage is in a traditional multi-use living room as I don't have a spare room for a theater.
Using them with the dual Seaton Submersives master-slave units.

Just got the 228s set up and played my first movie last night. The Slant8s have not been mounted yet. No complaints on sound quality and will need more time to break them in and fine tune my layout.

The downer part is the cabinets on the JTRs. To be fair, these were ordered at the end of the year to beat the price increases and I am sure Jeff and the cabinet shop were really cranking out product to get caught back up. Would be no complaint if used in a theater room but in a living room the speakers get looked at quite closely. The black satin finish on the Slant 8s is extremely soft. Takes just a very light pressure from a finger nail to mark the finish and show as scratches. I mean just drag the back of your fingers across the finish and it leaves marks. Also the plywood joints all show through the finish as they are not sanded smooth and flat. There are scratches in the finish just from getting them out of the shipping boxes. Would have thought the finish would have hardened by now as they arrived about 10 weeks ago and I just now got them out. Thinking I will remove the drivers, sand and repaint them myself. While I like the smooth satin finish I am not sure it was worth the extra $ for that. Wish I could have seen and touched the standard finish before ordering. I ordered the satin finish to be able to paint them in the future to match wall colors if needed.
One of the 228HTs with the black oak veneer on one side have quite a few runs in the finish coat - whatever that was. Lacquer maybe? No easy way to fix that. Quite hard to see with the black finish. Going to leave it alone as the one side can be positioned where no one else will ever see it. Luckily the room is fairly dark so only shows up when the overhead lights are on.

Was under the impression that the same cabinet company did the Seaton speakers and JTRs. My Submersives have a perfect finish - no blemishes that I have found at all.

I don't have an expensive home or a fancy living room so I can live with these for the sound. If you are ordering veneered speakers, I would ask Jeff to give them a really good look-over prior to shipping. Think I just got caught in the end of year rush. Many others here have ordered custom finishes and I don't recall anyone else commenting on not being happy.

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Hey guys, does anyone know of a furniture store in Washington, D.C. that carries a lot of home theater seating? I'm thinking about buying some seats but don't want to buy blind. I've tried some palliser seats in KC but I want to see what else is out there. Thanks!
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Carp...are you going to be back in the DC area?
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Is it possible with that MiniDSP to only route the 150 and below to the front two and leave the rear one 80 and below? That could help with the localization. I know you already realize this but just thinking out loud here.

I may need to look into some form of outboard dsp as well if I find my Denon 4311 can't give me what I need to integrate a balancing sub with my OS. I have a little Rythmik F12SE that could work given the right gain controls and if I don't ask it to play low or loud. But I am skeptical so I might end up going DIY 18'' as you have with your UXL setup.
JMG - That's a good idea that I hadn't thought of. I actually have 2 MiniDSPs, the NanoAVR and the 10x10HD. The NanoAVR is a 7.1 HDMI based DSP that inserts between your Bluray player and receiver/preamp. I bought that as it is cheaper than the 10x10HD and has a 10ch parametric EQ for each of the 7 speakers plus the .1 sub channel I want to save most of the 10x10HD since I want to use it primarily for distributed audio (zones with subs). Since the NanoAVR only outputs the .1 LFE channel, I'll have to use 2 channels on the 10x10HD (or I could buy a MiniDSP 2x4). So I could use 1 channel of the 10x10HD for the front subs crossed over much higher than the rear sub using the 2nd channel. Thanks!

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Ask Brolic Beast (Matt) Carp. He was from there I think. Could be wrong but I swore I remember him saying so in a PM once.

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Kind of a Debbie Downer post. Lots of fan-boys here so I am sorry to post this.

I recently received 3 228HTs in black oak veneer and 4 Slant 8s in black satin finish. My retirement speaker system.
Unlike most here, my usage is in a traditional multi-use living room as I don't have a spare room for a theater.
Using them with the dual Seaton Submersives master-slave units.

Just got the 228s set up and played my first movie last night. The Slant8s have not been mounted yet. No complaints on sound quality and will need more time to break them in and fine tune my layout.

The downer part is the cabinets on the JTRs. Would be no complaint if used in a theater room but in a living room the speakers get looked at quite closely. The black satin finish on the Slant 8s is extremely soft. Takes just a very light pressure from a finger nail to mark the finish and show as scratches. I mean just drag the back of your fingers across the finish and it leaves marks. Also the plywood joints all show through the finish as they are not sanded smooth and flat. There are scratches in the finish just from getting them out of the shipping boxes. Would have thought the finish would have hardened by now as they arrived about 10 weeks ago and I just now got them out. Thinking I will remove the drivers, sand and repaint them myself. Was not worth the extra $100 per cabinet for that.
The 228HTs with the black oak veneer have quite a few runs in the finish coat - whatever that was. Lacquer maybe? No easy way to fix that. Guess I could sand them down lightly, repaint and recoat myself. Luckily the room is fairly dark so only shows up when the overhead lights are on. That was an extra $200 per cabinet.

Was under the impression that the same cabinet company did the Seaton speakers and JTRs. My Submersives have a perfect finish - no blemishes that I have found at all.

I don't have an expensive home or a fancy living room so I can live with these for the sound. If you are considering the JTRs for a nice living room you maybe better off spending the extra money on the Seatons to get the better finish.
Yea I would be unhappy for sure. Maybe they got out somehow without Jeff QC-ing them? Assistant boxed them up in a hurry? Just random thoughts. My two black Maple Seaton Submersives are perfect.

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Crazy, I rented a PS3 game from Redbox yesterday to give gaming some time to get back into it. The last person stole by making a paper copy over the top of an old "Predator" disc and putting it back into Redbox. I guess I will be calling red box lol!

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That's crazy.. Lol. Hey jp.. What game are on? You plan on getting the X1 or ps4?
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That's crazy.. Lol. Hey jp.. What game are on? You plan on getting the X1 or ps4?
I just don't game much. I am trying to get back into it. Time has taken me away and I seem to just not have a genuine interest anymore. I mean I enjoy it once I get going but...I have been playing BF4 but I had rented Wolfenstein to try out.

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SOWK, thanks for the nice comments. I have spent most of my time this year on room imporvements to focus on better FR, decay times and impulse response. I think it is really starting to pay off.

I think the flexibility and options your theater's stage offers, you are going to be very happy with your JTR selection. Look forward to hearing them when you get them.



Do you have a thread or a post somewhere that goes into detail with what you did to treat your room? If not would you mind posting that sometime when you get a chance? thanks! I love how my 212's image as is, but there is always room for improvement!

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SOWK, thanks for the nice comments. I have spent most of my time this year on room imporvements to focus on better FR, decay times and impulse response. I think it is really starting to pay off.

I think the flexibility and options your theater's stage offers, you are going to be very happy with your JTR selection. Look forward to hearing them when you get them.



Do you have a thread or a post somewhere that goes into detail with what you did to treat your room? If not would you mind posting that sometime when you get a chance? thanks! I love how my 212's image as is, but there is always room for improvement!

Here is a link with some updated pics in case your still interested in seeing what I did. I just got the carpet installed on Friday. Still waiting on the new Slant 8's.


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Very nice Ib. I like the room treatments and how the 3 OS is tucked away at the sides. I'd like to make a 100% dedicated ht room too after we move.
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SOWK, thanks for the nice comments. I have spent most of my time this year on room imporvements to focus on better FR, decay times and impulse response. I think it is really starting to pay off.

I think the flexibility and options your theater's stage offers, you are going to be very happy with your JTR selection. Look forward to hearing them when you get them.



Do you have a thread or a post somewhere that goes into detail with what you did to treat your room? If not would you mind posting that sometime when you get a chance? thanks! I love how my 212's image as is, but there is always room for improvement!

Here is a link with some updated pics in case your still interested in seeing what I did. I just got the carpet installed on Friday. Still waiting on the new Slant 8's.


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Looks great Lance, is that a powered AT screen?

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Dgage- I appreciate your perspective..10 years ago I dove in swan diva 6.1 speakers blind..that $2k purchase was a smart one. Brazilian rosewood finish plus they sound quite good. I expect the next 7.1 speaker system in a dedicated space to go to the next level, especially at JTR 215/Cat 12c/Danley prices...
Those same speakers were my first purchase several years ago! It's been a whirlwind since then, but I sold those to a buddy and are still ridiculously impressed with their ability and looks

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I wonder if Jeff would redesign the 212 Noesis. Like a gen 2 or something. And put different woofers in them and of course the crossover work. Just seems like it wouldn't be too hard to do and all this mid bass crisis could be solved with 12 inch woofers just different ones. Right? I mean get away from the very low xmax of the eminence and something else? Or am I missing something?
The emmy driver has enough xmax to theoretically get some decent midbass, being basically equivalent to a single 15". It's not the need of more xmax, it is just a design preference.

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I really think you need to hear some 215's. I cannot wait for the 215's vs SH50.
You know, coach will have his pair only 2 short hours away from here in a few weeks, we could probably make that showdown happen
That would a fun shootout....not a fun one to setup, but a fun one to have.
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Thanks Rob. No it is a fixed frame screen. I got a little lucky with the reposition on the fireplace. I did measurements to get it fairly tight, but when I put the screen in there was less than 1/8" clearance on the width between the right wall and the fireplace. Whoo dodged a bullet on that one.
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Thanks Rob. No it is a fixed frame screen. I got a little lucky with the reposition on the fireplace. I did measurements to get it fairly tight, but when I put the screen in there was less than 1/8" clearance on the width between the right wall and the fireplace. Whoo dodged a bullet on that one.
How much toe in are you able to run in your setup?
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SOWK, thanks for the nice comments. I have spent most of my time this year on room imporvements to focus on better FR, decay times and impulse response. I think it is really starting to pay off.

I think the flexibility and options your theater's stage offers, you are going to be very happy with your JTR selection. Look forward to hearing them when you get them.



Do you have a thread or a post somewhere that goes into detail with what you did to treat your room? If not would you mind posting that sometime when you get a chance? thanks! I love how my 212's image as is, but there is always room for improvement!
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SOWK, thanks for the nice comments. I have spent most of my time this year on room imporvements to focus on better FR, decay times and impulse response. I think it is really starting to pay off.

I think the flexibility and options your theater's stage offers, you are going to be very happy with your JTR selection. Look forward to hearing them when you get them.



Do you have a thread or a post somewhere that goes into detail with what you did to treat your room? If not would you mind posting that sometime when you get a chance? thanks! I love how my 212's image as is, but there is always room for improvement!

Here is a link with some updated pics in case your still interested in seeing what I did. I just got the carpet installed on Friday. Still waiting on the new Slant 8's.


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Very nice Ib. I like the room treatments and how the 3 OS is tucked away at the sides. I'd like to make a 100% dedicated ht room too after we move.
wife doesn't like the third OS or the panels I built around the scounces. I am not 100% happy with the panels either, but the OS would look good to me even if it were in the middle of the room.
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been playing today with house curves and various source materials. The first curve is based on equal loudness shape (exponentially rising) and the second is much flatter but tilted up (straight factor). So far the loudness curve is winning my preference on most material for music. For movies I like the flatter curve except music centric movies (Metallica through the never and Rock of Ages are better with the loudness curve).
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Ah!!! Perfect!! The loudness curve is very close to where I settle for music, I love how it sounds with this relatively aggressive "House Curve"
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I wonder if Jeff would redesign the 212 Noesis. Like a gen 2 or something. And put different woofers in them and of course the crossover work. Just seems like it wouldn't be too hard to do and all this mid bass crisis could be solved with 12 inch woofers just different ones. Right? I mean get away from the very low xmax of the eminence and something else? Or am I missing something?
Did you ever talk to him about this? I would be interested in this.
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