Originally Posted by dgage
I guess my problem is I should have never listened to Beast's Danleys. Wider soundstage and stronger midbass...in a less sensitive speaker (maybe 95db). If Danley makes a more articulate HT specific version as they have discussed, my 212s will likely be in the classifieds...if the forum is fixed by then.
I had the opportunity to listen to the danley sh50's and the JTR 212's in the same room. It was at carps earlier this year. They sounded remarkably similar to me. At the end of the day I concluded that I would be very happy with either speaker for movies and that music was good too but neither really pulled ahead of the other. I was unable to hear much of a difference in clarity, dynamics, mid bass, or soundstage. That is not to say that differences do not exist but rather I could not hear them in his room that day. The one discernible difference was the sound from the second row of seats which is not carps main listening position. It was much better on the danleys especially with respect to the soundstage.
Therefore I would tend to attribute the differences in soundstage and or mid bass to the room itself or to speaker placement within the room with respect to listening position. I am sure that under an A B test one could hear a difference with the right room. But there were more similarities than differences in my listening.
Like I said previously I concluded that I would be very happy with either of these speakers. I subsequently had the opportunity to listen to carps 212's in my own room. It is almost comical how our experience with the 212's could differ so radically which is why I have to attribute it to variable other than the speakers themselves. The most incredible characteristic of the 212's in my own room was the soundstage. It was so expansive that I think it would be hard to discern that another speaker was better in that regard. I am sure there are speakers that do indeed have a better soundstage but in my room one would be hard pressed to discern it. The mid bass in my room was fantastic. I was thrilled with the way it filled the room and seemed to be ever present. I was crossing the speakers at 80hz to my Orbit Shifter. The clarity and dynamics at reference were stellar as expected.
So I decided to buy carps 212's based on that demo. He is keeping his right and left channels so I am buying another 212 from jeff and he is bringing it to dlbecks along with carps 215rt's on June 28. I would have been equally happy with the danleys. The sm60's are the ones that fit the price bracket. I ended up with the 212's a little earlier than I wanted in my speaker search but I had to strike while the iron was hot in order to get a discount on a used set. Others on my short list were the cat 8's and the triad golds.
My impressions of music on the 212's were similar to the movies regarding clarity, dynamics, etc. However when it comes to that certain something that just draws you into the music it was hit or miss for me. All content had those awesome characteristics that I just wrote about wit movies. But there is that little extra something that makes you "fall in love" with listening to music on a certain speaker. I found that it was either there in spades or not at all depending on the track. When it was there I could not stop myself from grinning. This occurred mostly on the acoustic tracks which is what I listen to mostly anyway. So based on this they may not be my "forever" speaker but how many of us here keep our speakers for more than 6-8 years? More than 10 and you are setting records around here. That said for movies I think the 212 is one of the best in its price range and I am 70 movies and 15 music and 15 games.
Anyways I thought I would share that. Take it with a grain of salt if you wish since I am now an owner. But I have tried to be as objective as possible and pointed out faults with music where I think I see them. However the soundstage and mid bass were strengths in my room and they were very similar in carps room.