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I can't tell what the average level of the full response is however if it is 80db than you'd want to use kind of a wide filter at 230hz ish and cut it 3-6db to make a smoother transition into the rising bass. Excess in the 120-250hz will hurt intellegiblity because that's the bottom end of the vocal range.
Moved my subs around again.. At first I was having fun moving them around and taking measurements. Now after today, I realize these suckers are friggin heavy . I guess im done playing around for now until the speakers come in. Then I'll do more adjustments, adding treaments where needed, move subs around again, etc for final response. Anyway, here's more measurements doing auto EQ and some cuts with the dual core. I did get rid of the nasty dip I had at 60. But now I have a very nasty one at 100@ xover point. huh?

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What do you guys think about the volt 10 from diy sg as surrounds for a jtr system? At 9th sensitivity @ 160 a speaker, they seem pretty awesome.
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Moved my subs around again.. At first I was having fun moving them around and taking measurements. Now after today, I realize these suckers are friggin heavy . I guess im done playing around for now until the speakers come in. Then I'll do more adjustments, adding treaments where needed, move subs around again, etc for final response. Anyway, here's more measurements doing auto EQ and some cuts with the dual core. I did get rid of the nasty dip I had at 60. But now I have a very nasty one at 100@ xover point. huh?

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I know you had some backlash for your posting of your response over in the other thread, and I don't want to offend you, but it really is a lot more difficult to see what is going on with that wide of a swath. When you go to 5dB increments and a more constricted view, it gives members a frame of reference that is similar to most of the other graphs they see around here. I don't want you to be upset by my suggestion, but it is pretty standard protocol around here. Don't be worried about your response not being ruler flat, it rarely is without some form of eq; but when/if you start applying filters, and you use the view you have right now, what looks like a very small adjustment on the graph could very well be a 12dB boost somewhere and THAT could be devastating to a system with not enough headroom (Yours I wouldn't include here, just speaking in general). FWIW, YMMV, all that jazz, just trying to help

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What do you guys think about the volt 10 from diy sg as surrounds for a jtr system? At 9th sensitivity @ 160 a speaker, they seem pretty awesome.
Pretty good, but wait a little longer for my DIY beyma coaxial to surface, it will clean the floors I hope Just a LITTLE bit longer.
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I think that the 4520 is a good unit, however at louder listening levels it sounds compressed. I would actually like to try it in preamp mode with a good amp.
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What would be a good match to my new L/C/R JTR 215RT's for surrounds / Rears / and Ceiling speakers (Atmos) be that are about $500 each or less?

I know slanted 8's would be the best, but @ $1000 each, that would be about $6000.00 total. I dumped all my money into the mains.
I picked up Mackie C200 speakers for surrounds. They aren't JTR 228HT level when compared to my mains by any means, but they are perfectly capable for surrounds, plenty capable of dynamics with a max spl rating of 118dB. Not Single 8 level, but only $200 street price.
http://www.mackie.com/products/c200/

I think they are a stupid good value for surrounds for those of us on a budget. Again JTR is much better - but also 5-6x + the price for C200 surrounds. Heck what Jeff pays for the compression driver in the 228HT alone costs more than the entire shipped street price of the Mackie C200 - so you know the JTR is a better speaker (it's cleaner, more refined, and more accurate, and gets louder (if you need more than 118dB max on the Mackie)) - but the Mackie C200 specifically for surround duty has not disappointed me in any way. I am not real pleased with the mackie for two channel stereo listening, but for 9 channel "all channel" stereo listening they are fun!.

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I know you had some backlash for your posting of your response over in the other thread, and I don't want to offend you, but it really is a lot more difficult to see what is going on with that wide of a swath. When you go to 5dB increments and a more constricted view, it gives members a frame of reference that is similar to most of the other graphs they see around here. I don't want you to be upset by my suggestion, but it is pretty standard protocol around here. Don't be worried about your response not being ruler flat, it rarely is without some form of eq; but when/if you start applying filters, and you use the view you have right now, what looks like a very small adjustment on the graph could very well be a 12dB boost somewhere and THAT could be devastating to a system with not enough headroom (Yours I wouldn't include here, just speaking in general). FWIW, YMMV, all that jazz, just trying to help



Pretty good, but wait a little longer for my DIY beyma coaxial to surface, it will clean the floors I hope Just a LITTLE bit longer.

Thanks beast.. I'll do the 5db in increment sweep this weekend. For now I'm going to rest my back.. Lol

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Thanks beast.. I'll do the 5db in increment sweep this weekend. For now I'm going to rest my back.. Lol

You don't have to re-sweep. You can take the file you have now and just change the scope.
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You don't have to re-sweep. You can take the file you have now and just change the scope.
Great! Gonna do that when I get home from work today. How do I do that? Sorry, still not to familiar with the interface of REW. Thanks..
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I saw edge of tomorrow last night. Amazing movie if you have not seen it yet. So nice to see an original movie in Hollywood. The sound and effects where great! I hope the bluray mix is just as good. This might be the opening movie for my theater if I get my ass in gear!
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I saw edge of tomorrow last night. Amazing movie if you have not seen it yet. So nice to see an original movie in Hollywood. The sound and effects where great! I hope the bluray mix is just as good. This might be the opening movie for my theater if I get my ass in gear!
I saw it last weekend with the wife and we liked it too. I'm not sure if I'd call it an original movie but definitely an original, tastefully humorous, and somewhat thoughtful summer BLOCKBUSTER. A good movie that will definitely end up in my BluRay collection.
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Great! Gonna do that when I get home from work today. How do I do that? Sorry, still not to familiar with the interface of REW. Thanks..
Rhed, glad to see you running measurements. REW is fun but don't let it suck you in too much! If you play with the limits box in the upper right corner you can adjust the increments on the Y scale and X scale.


did you get those brackets yet for the surrounds?? BTW Jeff told me today at my surrounds will be done next week. Busy week for Jeff with the big GTG in Iowa this weekend!
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I love when people get new speakers. .... Hopefully it will be me in the next two weeks.
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coach, can't wait to hear what you think of the new 215's in your room. No doubt it will be awesome, curious to see how XO, and two channel set up options play out. Are you keeping subs too or going to use the 215's for LFE too?
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I am keeping my 6-SI18's....and Dgage is currently constructing a stand for my 215RM, which will house two more of the SI18's. I will have 6 up front and 2 in the back of my room.

Might be a tad much... Lol
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I am keeping my 6-SI18's....and Dgage is currently constructing a stand for my 215RM, which will house two more of the SI18's. I will have 6 up front and 2 in the back of my room.

Might be a tad much... Lol

Not at all. You will have lots of headroom if you don't max them out. If you play them at moderate levels, they will sound very clean because of less distortion due to the lower spl you can keep them at individually, to equal kinda loud collectively. I think 8 subs is a great number!

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^^^ agree more headroom equals more effortless sound and stays that way through all the peaks of typical BD content!
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Okay.... So maybe I will add a couple more then. Haha..
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Might be a tad much... Lol
But your room is so big you need all of those subs.

You know that devil on the shoulder? That was me when I talked Coach into another pair of subs and offered to build the box for him. HA!
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Rhed, glad to see you running measurements. REW is fun but don't let it suck you in too much! If you play with the limits box in the upper right corner you can adjust the increments on the Y scale and X scale.


did you get those brackets yet for the surrounds?? BTW Jeff told me today at my surrounds will be done next week. Busy week for Jeff with the big GTG in Iowa this weekend!
Thanks Ib105.. Was getting bored lately. So I decided to play with the subs and REW. Though I will redo everything when the speakers comes in. Yea, not to worried with measuremts to much or being ruler flat. But I will do some more treatments. And taking measurements in the process.
Haven't have chance to order the brackets yet. Matter of fact, that one particular bracket you recommend me been sold out since. But they carry different ones that I'm interested and will work. And exciting that your slants are almost done and ready to ship out. Btw, a few days after I put my order for my speakers. I told Jeff that I wanted the regular S8's instead of the slants. Since I was gonna use brackets, the standard 8's would be more versatile for me instead. Especially since we're planning getting another house and moving in a couple years.
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Might be a tad much... Lol
Nope.... Welcome to the octo club. With that pending you will outgun me.....Good thing a new 24 is on the way

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But your room is so big you need all of those subs.

You know that devil on the shoulder? That was me when I talked Coach into another pair of subs and offered to build the box for him. HA!
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Waiting in line for surgery. Not fun. I want want to be home watching movies.
I was off work for 2 months after foot surgery. Planned on watching lots of movies but the damn 215RT's ruined that plan and I spent most of that time listening to music in 2 channel mode.

Not that they lack anything for movies ... but it was just too much fun listening to the full range speakers doing their thing with my now greatly expanded HD music collection. Really looking forward to a few more of you sharing your thoughts.

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carp will certainly be the one I want to hear about with 2 channel music listening....
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I picked up Mackie C200 speakers for surrounds. They aren't JTR 228HT level when compared to my mains by any means, but they are perfectly capable for surrounds, plenty capable of dynamics with a max spl rating of 118dB. Not Single 8 level, but only $200 street price.
http://www.mackie.com/products/c200/


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Would be interesting to compare these to the Behringer B215's for those that have the room. Reviews seem quite good here and they are stupid cheap:

http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-EURO...b215+behringer

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Waiting in line for surgery. Not fun. I want want to be home watching movies.
Hopefully this was planned and nothing emergency!
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I picked up Mackie C200 speakers for surrounds. They aren't JTR 228HT level when compared to my mains by any means, but they are perfectly capable for surrounds, plenty capable of dynamics with a max spl rating of 118dB. Not Single 8 level, but only $200 street price.
http://www.mackie.com/products/c200/


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Would be interesting to compare these to the Behringer B215's for those that have the room. Reviews seem quite good here and they are stupid cheap. I've been wanting to grab a pair to play with but have enough projects to finish first.

http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-EURO...b215+behringer

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Waiting in line for surgery. Not fun. I want want to be home watching movies.
Hopefully this was planned and nothing emergency!
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Would be interesting to compare these to the Behringer B215's for those that have the room. Reviews seem quite good here and they are stupid cheap:

http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-EURO...b215+behringer
I was so close to those 215's for surrounds and even considered the Mackies on a last minute suggestion in a PM from J. But I went with the Volt 10's on Beasts advice since the Coaxial design is better for "not ideally placed surrounds." That is over the horn directivity in these speakers. I think I would have been happy either way. But the Volt 10's for the price are simply amazing! The Book of Eli Gatling gun scene is ridiculous! They handle well and I am supremely happy until someday I upgrade to the likes of S8's or Beasts DIY surrounds.

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oh my...I've got like 50+ pages of this thread to catch up on...what did I miss??

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Lotta 215 talk and car pics.... Good to see you are still alive, thought you had died and gone to audio nirvana with that setup
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hope everyone has been well.

Yep. Every time I catch up I stupidly stop reading for two days and have to catch up to 50 more pages on this thread
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I'd say you're welcome to build the box but its about done besides paint.

Besides, Coach didn't want to take you away from your new wife...no, that wasn't it. He doesn't want you to get distracted...he wants the Beast Beyma surrounds that he says you keep delaying work on.
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