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Guess only VIP or JTR vets can get there's first before others ahead.. Lol..

Da*n straight!!

Nah, just got lucky with the timing of the upcoming GTG. Oooh my first usage of a new smiley.

Hmmm and then got lucky with the timing of the sale of my 212's.... and then got lucky that the new owner is a friend and let me keep the 212's until the GTG (VERY cool of him to do that!! ). All the planets aligned for me on this one.
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It is my understanding that Jeff was set to receive the parts this week.

I was second in line behind RHED until the delay, now I am being told another 2-3 weeks before they will be here.

My order is for 2 - 215RT and 1 - 215RM...

Very much looking forward to it..
Jeff is probably still tweaking the XO for the 215RM. He will likely keep doing that till they ship.
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Guess only VIP or JTR vets can get there's first before others ahead.. Lol..
Certainly, I am not VIP....but this is my third LCR and second in less than a year from JTR....LOL

I understand and know why.
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Jeff is probably still tweaking the XO for the 215RM. He will likely keep doing that till they ship.
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Sorry Coach I meant to quote Rhed's post.
Jeff told me that if the drivers would have come in last week, most likely the speakers would have been ready to ship this week. The delay in the drivers in combination of the upcoming GTG has put things behind as much as they have...

I am busy with work...which helps things.
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Certainly, I am not VIP....but this is my third LCR and second in less than a year from JTR....LOL

I understand and know why.

Coach, I'm sure Jeff considers anyone buying his 215RT's to be a VIP...lol
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Coach, I'm sure Jeff considers anyone buying his 215RT's to be a VIP...lol

Agreed, I bet there won't be too many people crazy enough to buy 210 pound 6 feet tall speakers!!
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Quick question for you guys. I am running in wall wiring today and I hit a snag. I am going to need 50ft sub cables. Is that to long? I could maybe get away with 35' but will be pushing it. What do ya'll think? Thanks
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Quick question for you guys. I am running in wall wiring today and I hit a snag. I am going to need 50ft sub cables. Is that to long? I could maybe get away with 35' but will be pushing it. What do ya'll think? Thanks
I use a 50 ft sub cable for placement. And never had a issue.
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I use a 50 ft sub cable for placement. And never had a issue.
Same here.
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I use a 50 ft sub cable for placement. And never had a issue.
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Same here.
Thx guys. I was pretty sure, but wanted to check. I ordered 25's and I am short. I decided to go up and over vs through the wall.
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Quick question for you guys. I am running in wall wiring today and I hit a snag. I am going to need 50ft sub cables. Is that to long? I could maybe get away with 35' but will be pushing it. What do ya'll think? Thanks
I would think that as long as its high quality RG6 cable you should be fine.
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I was going to order Mediabridge, says double layer, but does not say CL2 rated.
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I was going to order Mediabridge, says double layer, but does not say CL2 rated.

My only real concern with that would be if for some crazy reason you had a fire or something and your insurance company found out you had non-inwall rated cable or wire inside the wall they'd use some stupid excuse that voids your home insurance.
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My only real concern with that would be if for some crazy reason you had a fire or something and your insurance company found out you had non-inwall rated cable or wire inside the wall they'd use some stupid excuse that voids your home insurance.
I ordered the monoprice CL2 rated
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I ordered the monoprice CL2 rated
sorry Reef if I missed it but are you using XLR or RCA for the sub cable?

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Recalibrated my system again this weekend for a more balanced sound. Did a auto calibration with the Antimode dual core for the bass. Then ran MCACC. MCACC set my subs -10, trim at +1.0 on the avr. While all my subs dial is pointing at -8. No house curve. In the end I really like the way it sounds. More tight and accurate on the bass side. So my current speakers.... Oh boy, I watched Elysium at -8 MV today. Not my normal listening level. But my speakers, talk about running out of gas!.. I just can't wait to changed them out! Here's the measurement in the end. Didn't take it at reference level though. But rather my normal listening vol when I watch movies.

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quote myself..
Got home from work today. And was kind of board a little this afternoon. So I started to play with placements of my subs. Not to much movements, just 1-2 feet here and there kind of thing. Took some measurements. Hmm not THAT much different. Sometimes worse. Anyway, one thing I haven't tried was laydown all my subs horizontally. I had them standing up vertically. Haa, just because they look baddass that way . So I did, lay them down. And to my surprise I got a little better response. This lastest placement and measurement may not be that much from the above graph I posted couple days ago. But to me, they sound awesome. Especially when I ran the chopper scene in LS..


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Got home from work today. And was kind of board a little this afternoon. So I started to play with placements of my subs. Not to much movements, just 1-2 feet here and there kind of thing. Took some measurements. Hmm not THAT much different. Sometimes worse. Anyway, one thing I haven't tried was laydown all my subs horizontally. I had them standing up vertically. Haa, just because they look baddass that way . So I did, lay them down. And to my surprise I got a little better response. This lastest placement and measurement may not be that much from the above graph I posted couple days ago. But to me, they sound awesome. Especially when I ran the chopper scene in LS..


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Yea that is post EQ right? What does raw response look like?
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Agreed, I bet there won't be too many people crazy enough to buy 210 pound 6 feet tall speakers!!
You became mayor of crazy town with your 8 subs . The 215RT's are needed to just keep up.

Watched the Budapest Hotel tonight and the sound track was excellent. Music over the closing credits was just awesome on the RT's. Audio nirvana ...

HToM

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Yea that is post EQ right? What does raw response look like?

Couple days ago I posted a graph after I recalibrated my whole system again. Only did it because my electrician did some work with my dedicated curcuits. So at then I got a little more picky calibrating. So this response I didn't do a thing from the last measurement a couple days ago as far as EQ. Not raw btw, but I could do one this week when I bypass the EQ. Settings still the same. MCACC set my sub output to -10, trim to +1.0. Auto calibration from the Antimode. No HC or boost..
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quote myself..
Got home from work today. And was kind of board a little this afternoon. So I started to play with placements of my subs. Not to much movements, just 1-2 feet here and there kind of thing. Took some measurements. Hmm not THAT much different. Sometimes worse. Anyway, one thing I haven't tried was laydown all my subs horizontally. I had them standing up vertically. Haa, just because they look baddass that way . So I did, lay them down. And to my surprise I got a little better response. This lastest placement and measurement may not be that much from the above graph I posted couple days ago. But to me, they sound awesome. Especially when I ran the chopper scene in LS..


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Nice!! Also you don't have the usual issues between 80 hz ish and 200 hz ish that seem to be so common.
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You know guys? This JTR thread, I swear, this is the best thread around in AVS. Good peeps here. That's why I like posting here. I post a graph in Dom's ULF thread, then bam, it offends people. I just deleted it. I thought that scoring stuff was for fun. But guess some take it too serious.
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Nice!! Also you don't have the usual issues between 80 hz ish and 200 hz ish that seem to be so common.
Thanks carp.. But if I remove the smoothing, I have a nasty dip at 60hz.. Really.. Lol
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LOL....I agree rhed, bear was giving you a hard time about posting with smoothing and then he goes and posts a graph with 1/12th smoothing....lol


I can only suggest taking everything with a grain of salt, you're a good guy so who gives a crap what people think right?
Personally I think half of them would give away their grandmother for four Cap S2's!....lol
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LOL....I agree rhed, bear was giving you a hard time about posting with smoothing and then he goes and posts a graph with 1/12th smoothing....lol


I can only suggest taking everything with a grain of salt, you're a good guy so who gives a crap what people think right?
Personally I think half of them would give away their grandmother for four Cap S2's!....lol
lol.. I know right? I mean honestly, my graph looks like sh!t without the smoothing. Especially my 60hz, very nasty dip. And yea, I add the 1/6 smoothing to make it more presentable. I mean its there in the program to use it. But it's all good bro.. I guess some people take that it tooo serious. I didn't want it to go south. Thanks bro for what you posted after all that. I went back there and I read it.. Oh btw, FWIW, i'm still envious of DIYers subwoofers and OS owners.. lol...
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lol.. I know right? I mean honestly, my graph looks like sh!t without the smoothing. Especially my 60hz, very nasty dip. And yea, I add the 1/6 smoothing to make it more presentable. I mean its there in the program to use it. But it's all good bro.. I guess some people take that it tooo serious. I didn't want it to go south. Thanks bro for what you posted after all that. I went back there and I read it.. Oh btw, FWIW, i'm still envious of DIYers and OS owners.. lol...
No worries, and you shouldn't be jealous of anyone's setup with what you have in the pipeline!....lol


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I read some posts about people wanting more midbass. JTR's are flat through the midbass region so wanting more midbass means boosting the midbass. There is no need to buy drivers, amplifiers and build cabinets to get extra midbass. With +130db capability of the Noesis 212HT and Triple 12HT, all you need is a parametric EQ with one "low shelf" filter set around 100-120hz and boost the level 3-6db. Remember it takes double power to gain 3 db and quadruple the power to gain 6 db so make sure you have enough amplifier.

Noesis 215RT update: the remaining parts should be here tomorrow and I should be able to start shipping Thursday. If not then Monday after the get together. Thank you for your patience.
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LOL....I agree rhed, bear was giving you a hard time about posting with smoothing and then he goes and posts a graph with 1/12th smoothing....lol


I can only suggest taking everything with a grain of salt, you're a good guy so who gives a crap what people think right?
Personally I think half of them would give away their grandmother for four Cap S2's!....lol

I've always used 1/12th, but I've read numerous times that our ears perceive bass similar to what we see with 1/6th smoothing so I bet you are all good Rhed.
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I read some posts about people wanting more midbass. JTR's are flat through the midbass region so wanting more midbass means boosting the midbass. There is no need to buy drivers, amplifiers and build cabinets to get extra midbass. With +130db capability of the Noesis 212HT and Triple 12HT, all you need is a parametric EQ with one "low shelf" filter set around 100-120hz and boost the level 3-6db. Remember it takes double power to gain 3 db and quadruple the power to gain 6 db so make sure you have enough amplifier.

Noesis 215RT update: the remaining parts should be here tomorrow and I should be able to start shipping Thursday. If not then Monday after the get together. Thank you for your patience.

Yeah I've always wondered about that when people say a speaker has no mid bass... for me flat bass (including flat mid-bass) has always sounded anemic so I have always just bumped it up. A lot of it is probably the style of music I listen to.

I did what Jeff is suggesting with the 212HT's with an inuke 3000dsp and the results were fantastic.

Nice! Glad to hear the other guys will be getting their 215's soon, I'm starting to get nervous that I'm going to get beat up.
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Thanks carp.. But if I remove the smoothing, I have a nasty dip at 60hz.. Really.. Lol
Rhed, you need to build some bass traps bro! I will throw my DIY treatment thread together soon. Good ol cheap pink fluffy!
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