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I'll be up until 3 am again tonight, the plan is to watch Munich but it's a good bet I'll end up listening to music again.
How many times has this happened to me too. Go down to the theater with good intentions of turning on the PJ and enjoying a flick, never to even get the projector turned on by getting sucked into music. Terrible I tell ya! Haha

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How many times has this happened to me too. Go down to the theater with good intentions of turning on the PJ and enjoying a flick, never to even get the projector turned on by getting sucked into music. Terrible I tell ya! Haha
Yep, you know the drill!
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I know it is off subject, but I will be done my theater hopefully by August. Just in time for pre season baby !! Go Eagles. However with all the announcements of Atmos, I am afraid to buy a new AVR for the theater. I know prices are gong to tank on these older AVR's. I know if I buy something now it might be a whole lot cheaper in 2 months. I have a few I am looking at. The Onkyo 5010, the new Yamaha RX-A3040 and the Pioneer SC-79. Now on the pre pro front, Archaea posted a link for an older Onkyo PR-SC5008 however the site seems a little fishy to me, I would be nervous to order it, but it is a killer deal. Certainly the XMC-1 is out.

What would you guys do? I really need a head unit by next month. I will be running a full JTR set up for 7.2, however I am wired for now for 9.2, but I may run 2 more for a 11.2. I am pretty much set on just getting an AVR for 7.2 for the time being. I have a 4520, but I am leaving it in the living room. What do you all think? What's a good choice?
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Haha, I know man, and I wish you could have made it too - always great to meet guys that I've only known on the forum. Did I read that you and Brandon are thinking about comparing the the 215's and the SH50's?? or would that be too much of a nightmare for either of you to move your speakers to the other guys' place?

I saw where he posted that, but we haven't talked about it. It would be a fun shootout, but I don't know how much fun it would be to pull those out of my room and transport them to Asheville.

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I saw where he posted that, but we haven't talked about it. It would be a fun shootout, but I don't know how much fun it would be to pull those out of my room and transport them to Asheville.

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Umm, the 215RT's are NOT portable. But Jeff and this old man were able to hump 3 of them up two flights of stairs so it's doable but you will need a truck.

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I know it is off subject, but I will be done my theater hopefully by August. Just in time for pre season baby !! Go Eagles. However with all the announcements of Atmos, I am afraid to buy a new AVR for the theater. I know prices are gong to tank on these older AVR's. I know if I buy something now it might be a whole lot cheaper in 2 months. I have a few I am looking at. The Onkyo 5010, the new Yamaha RX-A3040 and the Pioneer SC-79. Now on the pre pro front, Archaea posted a link for an older Onkyo PR-SC5008 however the site seems a little fishy to me, I would be nervous to order it, but it is a killer deal. Certainly the XMC-1 is out.

What would you guys do? I really need a head unit by next month. I will be running a full JTR set up for 7.2, however I am wired for now for 9.2, but I may run 2 more for a 11.2. I am pretty much set on just getting an AVR for 7.2 for the time being. I have a 4520, but I am leaving it in the living room. What do you all think? What's a good choice?
Go Eagles is right!

You are in a bad time to need an avr right now. This is a crazy transition time! I wouldn't get a new Atmos avr yet and I wouldn't get an older model either. I would probably just get a cheapie to use for now until the new avr's have Atmos sorted out with audyssey xt32.
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I read some posts about people wanting more midbass. JTR's are flat through the midbass region so wanting more midbass means boosting the midbass. There is no need to buy drivers, amplifiers and build cabinets to get extra midbass. With +130db capability of the Noesis 212HT and Triple 12HT, all you need is a parametric EQ with one "low shelf" filter set around 100-120hz and boost the level 3-6db. Remember it takes double power to gain 3 db and quadruple the power to gain 6 db so make sure you have enough amplifier.

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Hi Jeff,

Would this be the same case with the 228's?

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I know it is off subject, but I will be done my theater hopefully by August. Just in time for pre season baby !! Go Eagles. However with all the announcements of Atmos, I am afraid to buy a new AVR for the theater. I know prices are gong to tank on these older AVR's. I know if I buy something now it might be a whole lot cheaper in 2 months. I have a few I am looking at. The Onkyo 5010, the new Yamaha RX-A3040 and the Pioneer SC-79. Now on the pre pro front, Archaea posted a link for an older Onkyo PR-SC5008 however the site seems a little fishy to me, I would be nervous to order it, but it is a killer deal. Certainly the XMC-1 is out.

What would you guys do? I really need a head unit by next month. I will be running a full JTR set up for 7.2, however I am wired for now for 9.2, but I may run 2 more for a 11.2. I am pretty much set on just getting an AVR for 7.2 for the time being. I have a 4520, but I am leaving it in the living room. What do you all think? What's a good choice?
You're crazy! Bring that perfectly good 4520 in there and buy yourself a little cheapo something to tide you over in your living room. You want your most capable piece in the theater, and then, when Atmos does get sorted out and word comes in from the primary adopters on how well or not it does, then you move the 4520 back to the living room and scoop a new one for the HT.

Honestly I don't think the pricing on earlier units not having atmos will tank initially as ceiling speakers are going to be tough for anyone with an already built-out space that doesn't have a drop ceiling or access to attic above. I like the concept, and will likely do it myself at some point, but the good ole 11.2 and less receivers will still playback every bit of content out there right now, and until a unit has the DTS equivalent alongside atmos, I, and many others ain't bitin'....

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I saw where he posted that, but we haven't talked about it. It would be a fun shootout, but I don't know how much fun it would be to pull those out of my room and transport them to Asheville.

Never say never....
I will not. David is a sprightly guy that I imagine can carry his weight....



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Umm, the 215RT's are NOT portable. But Jeff and this old man were able to hump 3 of them up two flights of stairs so it's doable but you will need a truck.

The SH50's are small by comparison so let him bring them to you.
Not when you have a dual opposed 18" subwoofer box stacked on top...That isn't a whole lot of fun to move around....

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Would this be the same case with the 228's?

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I'd also be very interested to know that too.
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Haha, I know man, and I wish you could have made it too - always great to meet guys that I've only known on the forum. Did I read that you and Brandon are thinking about comparing the the 215's and the SH50's?? or would that be too much of a nightmare for either of you to move your speakers to the other guys' place?
With the size of Brandon's center channel, it would block some of Coach's screen so we'd likely have to move Coach's 215s to Beast's theater. After carrying my 212s and LMS 5400s out of my house down to Beasts, the 215s wouldn't seem that bad. And it would be one heck of a shootout. I'm game and can bring some muscle although Archea or Carp would have a hell of a lot more muscle to bring to the party.
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You're crazy! Bring that perfectly good 4520 in there and buy yourself a little cheapo something to tide you over in your living room. You want your most capable piece in the theater, and then, when Atmos does get sorted out and word comes in from the primary adopters on how well or not it does, then you move the 4520 back to the living room and scoop a new one for the HT.

Honestly I don't think the pricing on earlier units not having atmos will tank initially as ceiling speakers are going to be tough for anyone with an already built-out space that doesn't have a drop ceiling or access to attic above. I like the concept, and will likely do it myself at some point, but the good ole 11.2 and less receivers will still playback every bit of content out there right now, and until a unit has the DTS equivalent alongside atmos, I, and many others ain't bitin'....
I am not overly crazy about the 4520. It is a good unit, but I have read that the Yamaha's and Pioneers sound better. I still want to set up a nice system in the living room with a capable unit.

As far as Atmos, I have gave some of my opinions. I think in wall speakers are going to become very popular for ceiling speakers. I also think that flat speaker wire or Ghost wire will become popular as well. Stick it on and paint and you can add surround speakers anywhere in a jiff. The stuff is just a little expensive about a buck a foot and I have only seen it in 16 AWG, but that does not mean that there is not lower gauges. As I said with my theater. I am running all my wires in the ceiling along with the low voltage boxes, there are reasons for it especially the double headers running around the top of the room. However I can easily convert my speakers to ceiling speakers and then add 4 surround speakers on stands. Could be a very quick convert for me. I am sure guys around here will figure stuff out real quick.
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I am not overly crazy about the 4520. It is a good unit, but I have read that the Yamaha's and Pioneers sound better. I still want to set up a nice system in the living room with a capable unit.

As far as Atmos, I have gave some of my opinions. I think in wall speakers are going to become very popular for ceiling speakers. I also think that flat speaker wire or Ghost wire will become popular as well. Stick it on and paint and you can add surround speakers anywhere in a jiff. The stuff is just a little expensive about a buck a foot and I have only seen it in 16 AWG, but that does not mean that there is not lower gauges. As I said with my theater. I am running all my wires in the ceiling along with the low voltage boxes, there are reasons for it especially the double headers running around the top of the room. However I can easily convert my speakers to ceiling speakers and then add 4 surround speakers on stands. Could be a very quick convert for me. I am sure guys around here will figure stuff out real quick.
Could it be your not overly crazy about it because you tell yourself that? Perhaps a blind test is needed to be sure Just poking fun

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If Jeff only knew I was boosting my 212's +6 dB from 150hz to 60hz LOL. It still wasn't enough. My 215's get a +3dB boost and are about perfect!
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If Jeff only knew I was boosting my 212's +6 dB from 150hz to 60hz LOL. It still wasn't enough. My 215's get a +3dB boost and are about perfect!
Yeah but you had those wimpy sealed 212's right?



If I remember right, you said you boosted the 215's from 120hz and down? That would go along with what Jeff was saying about not messing up speech intelligibility.

Was it a level boost from 120hz down to where the subs take over (which was 60hz?) or a rising curve down to 60?

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Nate, with the boost on the 212 set up did it measure a 6dB boost or were there any response issues? Obvioulsy room and placement matter a lot. I have -7dB cut 1/3 octave 125hz center freq and xo set at 80hz and I still get about 7-8dB gain at 80-125hz.
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Ya Carp, it was the whimpy 212 LP's LOL. Even with 6dB, I still wanted way more. It pretty much a straight boost from 120hz to 60hz, I tapered it off from 120 to 140 and cut right off at 60hz but I also was running my subs 7dB hot, so really it was pretty in line with everything. With the 2242's, I was about 9dB's hot and liked it right there.

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luckily with your current set up no room gain is needed!

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Nate, with the boost on the 212 set up did it measure a 6dB boost or were there any response issues? Obvioulsy room and placement matter a lot. I have -7dB cut 1/3 octave 125hz center freq and xo set at 80hz and I still get about 7-8dB gain at 80-125hz.
Why do you roll off the highs (>10KHz)? Do you eq it manually that way or it's Audyssey reference curve?
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What would be a good match to my new L/C/R JTR 215RT's for surrounds / Rears / and Ceiling speakers (Atmos) be that are about $500 each or less?

I know slanted 8's would be the best, but @ $1000 each, that would be about $6000.00 total. I dumped all my money into the mains.
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What would be a good match to my new L/C/R JTR 215RT's for surrounds / Rears / and Ceiling speakers (Atmos) be that are about $500 each or less?


I know slanted 8's would be the best, but @ $1000 each, that would be about $6000.00 total. I dumped all my money into the mains.
I have thought about that myself. Without even knowing the layout for a home theater atmos set up, it is really hard to even give advise on it yet. My thought is just adding 4 in wall ceiling speakers, but is that enough? I know one thing, I am not to sure about mounting a single 8 over my head. One of those babies come loose, that is going to be brain damage.

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I think that the 4520 is a good unit, however at louder listening levels it sounds compressed. I would actually like to try it in preamp mode with a good amp.

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What would be a good match to my new L/C/R JTR 215RT's for surrounds / Rears / and Ceiling speakers (Atmos) be that are about $500 each or less?

I know slanted 8's would be the best, but @ $1000 each, that would be about $6000.00 total. I dumped all my money into the mains.
They are cheaper with the "Buy More and Save More" Program. I just saved you $600. Dlbeck has 6 of the JTR 8's in his theater and they sound incredible.
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I knew about that already, but any more then $500 each is just not worth it for surrounds / rears / and ceiling speakers. IMHO...

Unless I was going to listen to Multi-channel music.

I may just use what I have for now and buy a pair a year until I have all six... lol.
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They may work great with the JTR's as is.
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Why do you roll off the highs (>10KHz)? Do you eq it manually that way or it's Audyssey reference curve?
It really just my mic's innacuracy above 10khz. When Jeff had his really nice mic over it was almost flat to 20khz. I have a small eq dip on the 1.1 and 2.2 kHz frequencies (-2db acros. LCR) but other than that I do not eq above 250hz.
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In regards to surround speakers ---
I wrestled for several months about ordering Slant 8s for surrounds. Just a few hundred more would get 228HTs or Triple 8LPs. Being in a living room, I really needed to go with smaller speakers. Still, the Slant 8s were a LOT of money. Many other options out there that I could go with to mate up with my 228HTs.

Well I went with the Slant 8s. Now I hate when people use the "night and day" comments but compared to the ACI Emeralds that I replaced they are truly night and day improvement!!! The Emeralds were a 2 way with a 5 1/4" driver and sold for ~$1000 a pair. Had no idea so much content was in the surround channels. With the 8s larger 8" woofer, they really dig so much deeper. Played Iron Man 3 last night and was just amazed. Incredible! Crystal clear, detailed, accurate. Very wide dispersion. I have them mounted a couple inches down from the 8foot ceiling. Love them!

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I just had a laugh at the Pioneer "Atmos" speakers. A woofer on the top of the cab and now magically you have a Dolby Atmos theater.

I got to admit when I first read the Denon Atmos thread last month I was skeptical and even uninterested, but in the past week I have actually gotten revved up about it. It is funny all the hype going on and we really do not know if there will be content. They say it is coming, but I heard the same thing about 4K in 2011. It will be fun to watch for sure as this is probably the biggest news of the decade for audio, I think it is anyway.
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I just had a laugh at the Pioneer "Atmos" speakers. A woofer on the top of the cab and now magically you have a Dolby Atmos theater.

I got to admit when I first read the Denon Atmos thread last month I was skeptical and even uninterested, but in the past week I have actually gotten revved up about it. It is funny all the hype going on and we really do not know if there will be content. They say it is coming, but I heard the same thing about 4K in 2011. It will be fun to watch for sure as this is probably the biggest news of the decade for audio, I think it is anyway.
Certainly intriguing but unless you are itching to unload money I don't see any reason to not wait for at least a year or two.
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