Official JTR speaker thread - Page 692 - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #20731 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 01:03 PM
AVS Special Member
 
jlpowell84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Eugene, OR
Posts: 4,475
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 417 Post(s)
Liked: 261
Does anyone have a cheap little 2 channel amp that can be bridged to get like 125 to 160 watts a channel laying around? I need to amplify one channel for a single back surround I am doing.

PSN ID: Jlpowell84
DIY Sound Group Volt 10 surround speaker build
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1531107/di...axial-speakers
My Setup Thread
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/19-ded...4-s-setup.html
jlpowell84 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #20732 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 01:06 PM
Senior Member
 
dpc716's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 319
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked: 21
I run my JTR's through DBX equalizers. I reduced the gain on the DBX to remove a slight hiss I was getting from my amp. A bit of a treble cut and/or bass boost and they are right where I want them to be.
dpc716 is offline  
post #20733 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 01:25 PM
AVS Special Member
 
jbrown15's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Vancouver B.C.
Posts: 6,495
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1186 Post(s)
Liked: 1179
Quote:
Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post
Rhed, you need to build some bass traps bro! I will throw my DIY treatment thread together soon. Good ol cheap pink fluffy!
I was going to order some really nice custom made tri-corner bass traps, but after talking with LTD02 he brought it too my attention that they really won't do anything for low frequencies. So he told me to take a look at some limp mass bass absorbers instead.


Here's a link that helps explain it a little better. http://www.gearslutz.com/board/bass-...absorbers.html


From the link there's a PDF showing how to make them. I'm personally now going to use acoustical panels at the back of my room but also build some of these limp mass bass absorbers too.
jbrown15 is online now  
post #20734 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 01:38 PM
AVS Special Member
 
COACH2369's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 1,714
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 99 Post(s)
Liked: 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by carp View Post
Yeah I've always wondered about that when people say a speaker has no mid bass... for me flat bass (including flat mid-bass) has always sounded anemic so I have always just bumped it up. A lot of it is probably the style of music I listen to.

I did what Jeff is suggesting with the 212HT's with an inuke 3000dsp and the results were fantastic.

Nice! Glad to hear the other guys will be getting their 215's soon, I'm starting to get nervous that I'm going to get beat up.
We aren't the "beat up the other forum members because they get their speakers before you" kinda guys....we can quite possibly be the "jealous because you get your speakers before us" kinda guys...

It is all good Carp... I just wish I could have made it out to the GTG.

Looking forward to seeing the pictures and reading the feedback.
COACH2369 is online now  
post #20735 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 01:55 PM
Senior Member
 
Jeff Permanian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 471
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked: 21
I can't tell what the average level of the full response is however if it is 80db than you'd want to use kind of a wide filter at 230hz ish and cut it 3-6db to make a smoother transition into the rising bass. Excess in the 120-250hz will hurt intellegiblity because that's the bottom end of the vocal range.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rhed View Post
quote myself..
Got home from work today. And was kind of board a little this afternoon. So I started to play with placements of my subs. Not to much movements, just 1-2 feet here and there kind of thing. Took some measurements. Hmm not THAT much different. Sometimes worse. Anyway, one thing I haven't tried was laydown all my subs horizontally. I had them standing up vertically. Haa, just because they look baddass that way . So I did, lay them down. And to my surprise I got a little better response. This lastest placement and measurement may not be that much from the above graph I posted couple days ago. But to me, they sound awesome. Especially when I ran the chopper scene in LS..


Attachment 133161
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	standing%20up%20vertical%20to%20horizontal.jpg
Views:	27
Size:	30.9 KB
ID:	133850  

Last edited by Jeff Permanian; 06-24-2014 at 02:00 PM.
Jeff Permanian is offline  
post #20736 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 03:00 PM
AVS Special Member
 
jedimastergrant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Kansas City
Posts: 1,914
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 54 Post(s)
Liked: 61
Quote:
Originally Posted by carp View Post
Da*n straight!!

Nah, just got lucky with the timing of the upcoming GTG. Oooh my first usage of a new smiley.

Hmmm and then got lucky with the timing of the sale of my 212's.... and then got lucky that the new owner is a friend and let me keep the 212's until the GTG (VERY cool of him to do that!! ). All the planets aligned for me on this one.
Ha ha! Your welcome.......but only because you are a VIP!

We are in for a lot of speaker hauling Saturday. My RS62's go with us to des moine. Then we load up the 215RT's along with my 212HT to haul back to KC. Unload the 215's at your place. Load up the other two 212's. Then unload the trio of 212's at my place (and move my RF83's to make room). Whew!
jedimastergrant is offline  
post #20737 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 03:08 PM
Member
 
cvinfig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 75
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by jedimastergrant View Post
Ha ha! Your welcome.......but only because you are a VIP!

We are in for a lot of speaker hauling Saturday. My RS62's go with us to des moine. Then we load up the 215RT's along with my 212HT to haul back to KC. Unload the 215's at your place. Load up the other two 212's. Then unload the trio of 212's at my place (and move my RF83's to make room). Whew!
If that's not enough, Jeff should be about done with my Orbit Shifter...
cvinfig is online now  
post #20738 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 03:45 PM
AVS Special Member
 
rhed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,419
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 237 Post(s)
Liked: 216
Quote:
Originally Posted by carp View Post
Yeah I've always wondered about that when people say a speaker has no mid bass... for me flat bass (including flat mid-bass) has always sounded anemic so I have always just bumped it up. A lot of it is probably the style of music I listen to.

I did what Jeff is suggesting with the 212HT's with an inuke 3000dsp and the results were fantastic.

Nice! Glad to hear the other guys will be getting their 215's soon, I'm starting to get nervous that I'm going to get beat up.
COACH... Guess we can put the baseball bats away.. Lol..
rhed is online now  
post #20739 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 04:02 PM
AVS Special Member
 
COACH2369's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 1,714
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 99 Post(s)
Liked: 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by rhed View Post
COACH... Guess we can put the baseball bats away.. Lol..
Guess we can..... we should all be in speaker bliss within a week or two.
COACH2369 is online now  
post #20740 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 04:04 PM
AVS Special Member
 
carp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 5,595
Mentioned: 53 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 639 Post(s)
Liked: 598
Quote:
Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post
We aren't the "beat up the other forum members because they get their speakers before you" kinda guys....we can quite possibly be the "jealous because you get your speakers before us" kinda guys...

It is all good Carp... I just wish I could have made it out to the GTG.

Looking forward to seeing the pictures and reading the feedback.

Haha, I know man, and I wish you could have made it too - always great to meet guys that I've only known on the forum. Did I read that you and Brandon are thinking about comparing the the 215's and the SH50's?? or would that be too much of a nightmare for either of you to move your speakers to the other guys' place?
carp is online now  
post #20741 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 04:09 PM
AVS Special Member
 
carp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 5,595
Mentioned: 53 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 639 Post(s)
Liked: 598
Quote:
Originally Posted by jedimastergrant View Post
Ha ha! Your welcome.......but only because you are a VIP!

We are in for a lot of speaker hauling Saturday. My RS62's go with us to des moine. Then we load up the 215RT's along with my 212HT to haul back to KC. Unload the 215's at your place. Load up the other two 212's. Then unload the trio of 212's at my place (and move my RF83's to make room). Whew!

I was just thinking about that.... I hope our backs hold up that 210 pounds is gonna suuuuck!!!

Just so you know I do feel a big guilty about hanging on to the 212's until Saturday - haha, but I guess not guilty enough to part with them yet!! I'll be up until 3 am again tonight, the plan is to watch Munich but it's a good bet I'll end up listening to music again.

Jeez Louise, I'm depriving all kinds of people around here of JTR speaker bliss!!
carp is online now  
post #20742 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 04:15 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Pain Infliction's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Houston Texas
Posts: 2,736
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 168 Post(s)
Liked: 200
Quote:
Originally Posted by rhed View Post
You know guys? This JTR thread, I swear, this is the best thread around in AVS. Good peeps here. That's why I like posting here. I post a graph in Dom's ULF thread, then bam, it offends people. I just deleted it. I thought that scoring stuff was for fun. But guess some take it too serious.
I saw that and didn't want to get in the middle of it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post
LOL....I agree rhed, bear was giving you a hard time about posting with smoothing and then he goes and posts a graph with 1/12th smoothing....lol


I can only suggest taking everything with a grain of salt, you're a good guy so who gives a crap what people think right?
Personally I think half of them would give away their grandmother for four Cap S2's!....lol
I agree! rhed, I have talked to you a few times on this forum and you seem like a nice person. You have a fantastic setup and people will always look for negatives in something. Lebron James for example. What is it that everybody hates this man for. Going on live tv to takes his talents to long beach.....ok, I understand for a little bit, but this man is great at his craft and people need to enjoy him while he is around.

I also have issues with that bear guy. I just don't think that he is completely honest. He tried telling me that he has his subs tuned to +-1db, but I have never seen a chart showing it. He also claims to get 110db flat to 10hz with one PSA sub in his living room. Whatever man.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post
No worries, and you shouldn't be jealous of anyone's setup with what you have in the pipeline!....lol


On another note I'm seriously thinking its time for a new time piece for me!
+1.

MY THEATER......The Thompson Theater 11.9 channels

"Is not love not unlike the unlikely not it is unlikened to?"
- Leon Phelps

Last edited by Pain Infliction; 06-24-2014 at 04:19 PM.
Pain Infliction is online now  
post #20743 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 04:17 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Pain Infliction's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Houston Texas
Posts: 2,736
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 168 Post(s)
Liked: 200
Quote:
Originally Posted by carp View Post
I was just thinking about that.... I hope our backs hold up that 210 pounds is gonna suuuuck!!!

This just might be the best 210lbs that you ever pick up, right?

MY THEATER......The Thompson Theater 11.9 channels

"Is not love not unlike the unlikely not it is unlikened to?"
- Leon Phelps
Pain Infliction is online now  
post #20744 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 04:30 PM
AVS Special Member
 
carp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 5,595
Mentioned: 53 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 639 Post(s)
Liked: 598
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post
This just might be the best 210lbs that you ever pick up, right?

Haha, let's hope so!
carp is online now  
post #20745 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 04:35 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Pain Infliction's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Houston Texas
Posts: 2,736
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 168 Post(s)
Liked: 200
Quote:
Originally Posted by carp View Post
Haha, let's hope so!
Until the 218's come out.......lol

MY THEATER......The Thompson Theater 11.9 channels

"Is not love not unlike the unlikely not it is unlikened to?"
- Leon Phelps
Pain Infliction is online now  
post #20746 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 04:36 PM
Say No to Auto EQ
 
beastaudio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Western NC
Posts: 8,086
Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 887 Post(s)
Liked: 982
Quote:
Originally Posted by carp View Post
I'll be up until 3 am again tonight, the plan is to watch Munich but it's a good bet I'll end up listening to music again.
How many times has this happened to me too. Go down to the theater with good intentions of turning on the PJ and enjoying a flick, never to even get the projector turned on by getting sucked into music. Terrible I tell ya! Haha

(European models do not accept banana plugs.)

 

"If you done it, it ain't bragging." ~ Walt Whitman

 

AE TD12x SEOS12 Build

Beast's DIY Master Measurement Thread

DIY Emminence Coaxial Surround Thread

beastaudio is offline  
post #20747 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 05:04 PM
AVS Special Member
 
carp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 5,595
Mentioned: 53 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 639 Post(s)
Liked: 598
Quote:
Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post
How many times has this happened to me too. Go down to the theater with good intentions of turning on the PJ and enjoying a flick, never to even get the projector turned on by getting sucked into music. Terrible I tell ya! Haha
Yep, you know the drill!
carp is online now  
post #20748 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 05:05 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Reefdvr27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Cape May, NJ
Posts: 3,218
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 826 Post(s)
Liked: 554
I know it is off subject, but I will be done my theater hopefully by August. Just in time for pre season baby !! Go Eagles. However with all the announcements of Atmos, I am afraid to buy a new AVR for the theater. I know prices are gong to tank on these older AVR's. I know if I buy something now it might be a whole lot cheaper in 2 months. I have a few I am looking at. The Onkyo 5010, the new Yamaha RX-A3040 and the Pioneer SC-79. Now on the pre pro front, Archaea posted a link for an older Onkyo PR-SC5008 however the site seems a little fishy to me, I would be nervous to order it, but it is a killer deal. Certainly the XMC-1 is out.

What would you guys do? I really need a head unit by next month. I will be running a full JTR set up for 7.2, however I am wired for now for 9.2, but I may run 2 more for a 11.2. I am pretty much set on just getting an AVR for 7.2 for the time being. I have a 4520, but I am leaving it in the living room. What do you all think? What's a good choice?
Reefdvr27 is online now  
post #20749 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 05:07 PM
AVS Special Member
 
COACH2369's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 1,714
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 99 Post(s)
Liked: 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by carp View Post
Haha, I know man, and I wish you could have made it too - always great to meet guys that I've only known on the forum. Did I read that you and Brandon are thinking about comparing the the 215's and the SH50's?? or would that be too much of a nightmare for either of you to move your speakers to the other guys' place?

I saw where he posted that, but we haven't talked about it. It would be a fun shootout, but I don't know how much fun it would be to pull those out of my room and transport them to Asheville.

Never say never....
COACH2369 is online now  
post #20750 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 05:44 PM
Señor Member
 
RMK!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: 95608
Posts: 6,059
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 359 Post(s)
Liked: 404
Quote:
Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post
I saw where he posted that, but we haven't talked about it. It would be a fun shootout, but I don't know how much fun it would be to pull those out of my room and transport them to Asheville.

Never say never....
Umm, the 215RT's are NOT portable. But Jeff and this old man were able to hump 3 of them up two flights of stairs so it's doable but you will need a truck.

The SH50's are small by comparison so let him bring them to you.

HToM

"Well, la di fricken da."!
RMK! is online now  
post #20751 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 05:54 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Pain Infliction's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Houston Texas
Posts: 2,736
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 168 Post(s)
Liked: 200
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post
I know it is off subject, but I will be done my theater hopefully by August. Just in time for pre season baby !! Go Eagles. However with all the announcements of Atmos, I am afraid to buy a new AVR for the theater. I know prices are gong to tank on these older AVR's. I know if I buy something now it might be a whole lot cheaper in 2 months. I have a few I am looking at. The Onkyo 5010, the new Yamaha RX-A3040 and the Pioneer SC-79. Now on the pre pro front, Archaea posted a link for an older Onkyo PR-SC5008 however the site seems a little fishy to me, I would be nervous to order it, but it is a killer deal. Certainly the XMC-1 is out.

What would you guys do? I really need a head unit by next month. I will be running a full JTR set up for 7.2, however I am wired for now for 9.2, but I may run 2 more for a 11.2. I am pretty much set on just getting an AVR for 7.2 for the time being. I have a 4520, but I am leaving it in the living room. What do you all think? What's a good choice?
Go Eagles is right!

You are in a bad time to need an avr right now. This is a crazy transition time! I wouldn't get a new Atmos avr yet and I wouldn't get an older model either. I would probably just get a cheapie to use for now until the new avr's have Atmos sorted out with audyssey xt32.
Pain Infliction is online now  
post #20752 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 06:20 PM
AVS Special Member
 
raynist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 1,413
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 184 Post(s)
Liked: 334
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Permanian View Post
I read some posts about people wanting more midbass. JTR's are flat through the midbass region so wanting more midbass means boosting the midbass. There is no need to buy drivers, amplifiers and build cabinets to get extra midbass. With +130db capability of the Noesis 212HT and Triple 12HT, all you need is a parametric EQ with one "low shelf" filter set around 100-120hz and boost the level 3-6db. Remember it takes double power to gain 3 db and quadruple the power to gain 6 db so make sure you have enough amplifier.

Noesis 215RT update: the remaining parts should be here tomorrow and I should be able to start shipping Thursday. If not then Monday after the get together. Thank you for your patience.
Hi Jeff,

Would this be the same case with the 228's?

Thanks!
raynist is online now  
post #20753 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 06:24 PM
Say No to Auto EQ
 
beastaudio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Western NC
Posts: 8,086
Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 887 Post(s)
Liked: 982
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post
I know it is off subject, but I will be done my theater hopefully by August. Just in time for pre season baby !! Go Eagles. However with all the announcements of Atmos, I am afraid to buy a new AVR for the theater. I know prices are gong to tank on these older AVR's. I know if I buy something now it might be a whole lot cheaper in 2 months. I have a few I am looking at. The Onkyo 5010, the new Yamaha RX-A3040 and the Pioneer SC-79. Now on the pre pro front, Archaea posted a link for an older Onkyo PR-SC5008 however the site seems a little fishy to me, I would be nervous to order it, but it is a killer deal. Certainly the XMC-1 is out.

What would you guys do? I really need a head unit by next month. I will be running a full JTR set up for 7.2, however I am wired for now for 9.2, but I may run 2 more for a 11.2. I am pretty much set on just getting an AVR for 7.2 for the time being. I have a 4520, but I am leaving it in the living room. What do you all think? What's a good choice?
You're crazy! Bring that perfectly good 4520 in there and buy yourself a little cheapo something to tide you over in your living room. You want your most capable piece in the theater, and then, when Atmos does get sorted out and word comes in from the primary adopters on how well or not it does, then you move the 4520 back to the living room and scoop a new one for the HT.

Honestly I don't think the pricing on earlier units not having atmos will tank initially as ceiling speakers are going to be tough for anyone with an already built-out space that doesn't have a drop ceiling or access to attic above. I like the concept, and will likely do it myself at some point, but the good ole 11.2 and less receivers will still playback every bit of content out there right now, and until a unit has the DTS equivalent alongside atmos, I, and many others ain't bitin'....

Quote:
Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post
I saw where he posted that, but we haven't talked about it. It would be a fun shootout, but I don't know how much fun it would be to pull those out of my room and transport them to Asheville.

Never say never....
I will not. David is a sprightly guy that I imagine can carry his weight....



Quote:
Originally Posted by RMK! View Post
Umm, the 215RT's are NOT portable. But Jeff and this old man were able to hump 3 of them up two flights of stairs so it's doable but you will need a truck.

The SH50's are small by comparison so let him bring them to you.
Not when you have a dual opposed 18" subwoofer box stacked on top...That isn't a whole lot of fun to move around....

(European models do not accept banana plugs.)

 

"If you done it, it ain't bragging." ~ Walt Whitman

 

AE TD12x SEOS12 Build

Beast's DIY Master Measurement Thread

DIY Emminence Coaxial Surround Thread

beastaudio is offline  
post #20754 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 06:29 PM
AVS Special Member
 
jbrown15's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Vancouver B.C.
Posts: 6,495
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1186 Post(s)
Liked: 1179
Quote:
Originally Posted by raynist View Post
Hi Jeff,

Would this be the same case with the 228's?

Thanks!
I'd also be very interested to know that too.
jbrown15 is online now  
post #20755 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 08:08 PM
AVS Special Member
 
dgage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 1,670
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 482 Post(s)
Liked: 298
Quote:
Originally Posted by carp View Post
Haha, I know man, and I wish you could have made it too - always great to meet guys that I've only known on the forum. Did I read that you and Brandon are thinking about comparing the the 215's and the SH50's?? or would that be too much of a nightmare for either of you to move your speakers to the other guys' place?
With the size of Brandon's center channel, it would block some of Coach's screen so we'd likely have to move Coach's 215s to Beast's theater. After carrying my 212s and LMS 5400s out of my house down to Beasts, the 215s wouldn't seem that bad. And it would be one heck of a shootout. I'm game and can bring some muscle although Archea or Carp would have a hell of a lot more muscle to bring to the party.
dgage is online now  
post #20756 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 09:11 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Reefdvr27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Cape May, NJ
Posts: 3,218
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 826 Post(s)
Liked: 554
Quote:
Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post
You're crazy! Bring that perfectly good 4520 in there and buy yourself a little cheapo something to tide you over in your living room. You want your most capable piece in the theater, and then, when Atmos does get sorted out and word comes in from the primary adopters on how well or not it does, then you move the 4520 back to the living room and scoop a new one for the HT.

Honestly I don't think the pricing on earlier units not having atmos will tank initially as ceiling speakers are going to be tough for anyone with an already built-out space that doesn't have a drop ceiling or access to attic above. I like the concept, and will likely do it myself at some point, but the good ole 11.2 and less receivers will still playback every bit of content out there right now, and until a unit has the DTS equivalent alongside atmos, I, and many others ain't bitin'....
I am not overly crazy about the 4520. It is a good unit, but I have read that the Yamaha's and Pioneers sound better. I still want to set up a nice system in the living room with a capable unit.

As far as Atmos, I have gave some of my opinions. I think in wall speakers are going to become very popular for ceiling speakers. I also think that flat speaker wire or Ghost wire will become popular as well. Stick it on and paint and you can add surround speakers anywhere in a jiff. The stuff is just a little expensive about a buck a foot and I have only seen it in 16 AWG, but that does not mean that there is not lower gauges. As I said with my theater. I am running all my wires in the ceiling along with the low voltage boxes, there are reasons for it especially the double headers running around the top of the room. However I can easily convert my speakers to ceiling speakers and then add 4 surround speakers on stands. Could be a very quick convert for me. I am sure guys around here will figure stuff out real quick.
Reefdvr27 is online now  
post #20757 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 10:33 PM
AVS Special Member
 
jlpowell84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Eugene, OR
Posts: 4,475
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 417 Post(s)
Liked: 261
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post
I am not overly crazy about the 4520. It is a good unit, but I have read that the Yamaha's and Pioneers sound better. I still want to set up a nice system in the living room with a capable unit.

As far as Atmos, I have gave some of my opinions. I think in wall speakers are going to become very popular for ceiling speakers. I also think that flat speaker wire or Ghost wire will become popular as well. Stick it on and paint and you can add surround speakers anywhere in a jiff. The stuff is just a little expensive about a buck a foot and I have only seen it in 16 AWG, but that does not mean that there is not lower gauges. As I said with my theater. I am running all my wires in the ceiling along with the low voltage boxes, there are reasons for it especially the double headers running around the top of the room. However I can easily convert my speakers to ceiling speakers and then add 4 surround speakers on stands. Could be a very quick convert for me. I am sure guys around here will figure stuff out real quick.
Could it be your not overly crazy about it because you tell yourself that? Perhaps a blind test is needed to be sure Just poking fun

PSN ID: Jlpowell84
DIY Sound Group Volt 10 surround speaker build
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1531107/di...axial-speakers
My Setup Thread
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/19-ded...4-s-setup.html
jlpowell84 is offline  
post #20758 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 10:53 PM
AVS Special Member
 
N8DOGG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 5,911
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 264 Post(s)
Liked: 338
If Jeff only knew I was boosting my 212's +6 dB from 150hz to 60hz LOL. It still wasn't enough. My 215's get a +3dB boost and are about perfect!
dgage likes this.

Blasting brown notes for 10 years and counting!

N8DOGG is offline  
post #20759 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 11:02 PM
AVS Special Member
 
carp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 5,595
Mentioned: 53 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 639 Post(s)
Liked: 598
Quote:
Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post
If Jeff only knew I was boosting my 212's +6 dB from 150hz to 60hz LOL. It still wasn't enough. My 215's get a +3dB boost and are about perfect!
Yeah but you had those wimpy sealed 212's right?



If I remember right, you said you boosted the 215's from 120hz and down? That would go along with what Jeff was saying about not messing up speech intelligibility.

Was it a level boost from 120hz down to where the subs take over (which was 60hz?) or a rising curve down to 60?

I can't wait to try all this out.
carp is online now  
post #20760 of 26058 Old 06-24-2014, 11:12 PM
AVS Special Member
 
lbrown105's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 1,019
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 244 Post(s)
Liked: 124
Nate, with the boost on the 212 set up did it measure a 6dB boost or were there any response issues? Obvioulsy room and placement matter a lot. I have -7dB cut 1/3 octave 125hz center freq and xo set at 80hz and I still get about 7-8dB gain at 80-125hz.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	6.15.14.jpg
Views:	25
Size:	45.6 KB
ID:	134330  

Pre-Pro: Emotiva XMC-1, DSP: Mini DSP 2x4 balanced
Amplifier: Sunfire TGA7400, Lab Gruppen FP10000Q
Speakers: JTR Noesis 212HT (LCR), JTR Slant 8's (surrounds), 3 Orbit Shifter LFU's
Sources: PS3, HTPC, Dish Network
Projector: Epson 8350
Screen: Seymour XD AT 138" diagonal 16:9
lbrown105 is offline  
Reply Speakers

Tags
228ht , captivator , Jtr , Jtr Noesis 212ht 212ht Lp
Gear in this thread - 228ht by PriceGrabber.com

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off