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Wonder if Jeff has looked into making a Single or Slant 12?

Wonder if Jeff is following all this Atmos talk as it seems we will need to add a minimum of 4 ceiling speakers for this to work. I could install Single 8s flush with the ceiling.
I would be interested in something like this....even a slanted 10 would be nice.
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I tend to be enthusiastic about this stuff in general. Archaea said that Stitch1 stays pretty low key most of the time but that is not me. This hobby makes me feel like a kid - hmm I feel like that a lot of the time anyway - and sometimes my excitement gets the better of me.

That said, I don't think that's the case with the 215's. I was trying to tone down my impressions initially (haha, I think that's over now...) in the posts I've made and the PM's I've sent about the 215's because I know I have a tendency to over state things. I also don't think it's just a full range thing. I have tried the 215's crossed at 80hz and 50hz and set to small and the crazy imaging/crytal - and i mean crystal - clear sound/consistent sound throughout the room/massive soundstage/etc. is still all there and all improved from the 212's.

I'm not ripping the 212's either. I absolutely loved those speakers and spent countless hours listening to 2 channel music. They are awesome - and get this - I had to change the trim on the 215's by 11 db's to match up with them!!!!! That's huge. I don't know if the 212's are under rated in their sensitivity or the 215 are over rated but it's a massive difference. My center channel is set to -12 and my 215's are set to -1. My 212 mains were set to -12 just like the center. I'm not upset about the sensitivity difference, it's just how it is when you have a full range tower that truly goes to below 18hz - something has to give.

So, clearly the 212's have a massive advantage for someone who has a well treated theater in a large space. In my room the inuke 3000 starts to clip right at reference with the bass ran flat on the 215's. When I had the 212's hooked up to the inuke I don't even know when it would begin to clip because it never came close.

Shoot, I haven't even tried a blu-ray movie yet (or even on of my movie demo disks) just tv and movies on directv - so I really don't even know yet what I think of them for movies compared the the 212's.
I like your enthusiasm and maybe I'm a little sensitive to the JTR fan boy stuff so I always try and present a neutral point of view. Honestly, I agree with all of your (and N8's) comments regarding the 215's and have never been happier with a speaker purchase. Having bought much more expensive speakers in the past, I see the value they represent too.

Like the OS's, the size is the major stumbling block for most potential owners but physics dictate that size for that extension ...

Thanks for sharing you enthusiasm and opinions. Always good stuff...

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Don't worry guys... the 215RT's should be the last speakers we ever need... I told Jeff he is no longer allowed to make a better speaker at this point.
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Cool, good to know. Beast is also planning on building some surrounds for people to buy too (Beastclops), I heard them at Gorilla's GTG and they were a BIG step up from the volt's IMO - not that I didn't like the volts.
I think the volt's crossover was redone after that get together to add back in some highs.
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How much better can speakers get? Once you get full range with high quality, low distortion, transparent and accurate drivers what else is there really (other than marketing and exotic enclosures).
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I have officially joined the 215 club.

My classified has been reopened in the audio gear section.


For Sale> JTR Noesis 212HT's
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I have officially joined the 215 club.
As in your speakers have arrived to your house?
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I have officially joined the 215 club.
Congratulations!

What are you doing for the center?
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Congratulations!

What are you doing for the center?
Thanks, I am going to use the 228 for the time being. I will get this all figured out and look into a custom center.
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As in your speakers have arrived to your house?
I wish, just made it official and ordered them. Hopefull by the end of the month. Just in time for my grand opening. I guess I should say "unoffical"
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I wish, just made it official and ordered them. The end of the month. Just in time for my grand opening.
Good deal...

My wait has been brutal. lol.

Should be over soon though.
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When you get to surrounds, I can't recommend the 8s enough. I replaced all my surrounds with Slant 8s and find it just incredible how clear and distinct the sound is from them.
That's great to hear, Peter.

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Congrats man! And welcome to the JTR family. 3 posts since joining in 2006. Really? That won't do...we expect much more feedback of your system once you get that house done.
Oh, believe me. I plan on it. And thanks!

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If anyone is interested in some S8's that are mint condition, i've got a set I'm selling $1400 shipped! Save $600 and they are as good as new!
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Good deal...

My wait has been brutal. lol.

Should be over soon though.
I bet. Nothing was worse than my Triax's. I waited six months for them puppies. I am sure Raynist can attest to that. It actually works out perfect so I can finish my theater. If I was healthily I would have it done next week, but might be delayed a few weeks now. Sheet rock should be done next week and all I will need is paint, carpet and chairs and 215's
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Congrats ReefDvr.

And then I want to say I hate all of you JTR speaker owners. It is because of you that I too just ordered my third set of speakers from JTR. I was completely happy with my 212s and dual orbit shifter set up until you guys started talking about the new 215RTs. Then my little brain started wondering what they sound like? There is absolutely something wrong with you guys. Thanks
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Congrats ReefDvr.

And then I want to say I hate all of you JTR speaker owners. It is because of you that I too just ordered my third set of speakers from JTR. I was completely happy with my 212s and dual orbit shifter set up until you guys started talking about the new 215RTs. Then my little brain started wondering what they sound like? There is absolutely something wrong with you guys. Thanks
Nice, congrats to you. It has to end here. Honestly if it were not for building a new room I would have passed for a year or so and waited to find some used especially when Carp moves up to the 218RT's. Could just grab his 215's My only thinking is now that I finally have a media room, music is going to be 50% of my use. The 215's will be the best of both worlds.

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Congrats ReefDvr.

And then I want to say I hate all of you JTR speaker owners. It is because of you that I too just ordered my third set of speakers from JTR. I was completely happy with my 212s and dual orbit shifter set up until you guys started talking about the new 215RTs. Then my little brain started wondering what they sound like? There is absolutely something wrong with you guys. Thanks
Yes, it is a shared and very communicable disease. Apparently there is no cure ... except perhaps the 215RT's.

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Nice, congrats to you. It has to end here. Honestly if it were not for building a new room I would have passed for a year or so and waited to find some used especially when Carp moves up to the 218RT's just grab his 215's My only thinking is now that I finally have a media room, music is going to be 50% of my use. The 215's will be the best of both worlds.
Or mine....that is if the 218's were to come out. lol
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I like your enthusiasm and maybe I'm a little sensitive to the JTR fan boy stuff so I always try and present a neutral point of view. Honestly, I agree with all of your (and N8's) comments regarding the 215's and have never been happier with a speaker purchase. Having bought much more expensive speakers in the past, I see the value they represent too.

Like the OS's, the size is the major stumbling block for most potential owners but physics dictate that size for that extension ...

Thanks for sharing you enthusiasm and opinions. Always good stuff...
Yeah, I'm a fan boy for sure but I hope not too annoying. I'm also a fan boy of Seaton (Submersives and Catalysts are so awesome!!), Danley (woah the 60's took it to the 212's in the blind testing!), Powersound Audio, Rythmic, HSU, SVS, and all the other internet direct companies that offer such an incredible value for the money. Ha, haven't even heard a PS Audio product but I think I'm pretty safe in my opinion.



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Don't worry guys... the 215RT's should be the last speakers we ever need... I told Jeff he is no longer allowed to make a better speaker at this point.
Guys... seriously. At the GTG I was literally begging Jeff not to make a new flagship speaker - EVER. I didn't mention it in passing. I was pleading. All he could do was laugh... and I swear there was a mischievous look in his eyes. Someone interupted my half-drunken rant to say, "how is he going to make any more money off you?" or something to that effect. Haha, good stuff.




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I think the volt's crossover was redone after that get together to add back in some highs.

That's right, I forgot about that. I did think that was their weakness, the highs were a bit too tame - I'd like to hear the new version!
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Congrats ReefDvr.

And then I want to say I hate all of you JTR speaker owners. It is because of you that I too just ordered my third set of speakers from JTR. I was completely happy with my 212s and dual orbit shifter set up until you guys started talking about the new 215RTs. Then my little brain started wondering what they sound like? There is absolutely something wrong with you guys. Thanks

Haha, you are now part of the problem!!

Congrats man, I hope you love them as much as I do. Jeez, this sounds just like something I was telling people after the 212's came out. It's like Groundhog Day around here. Which by the way I'm a sucker for that kind of plot line - I absolutely love the new Tom Cruise movie. I can't remember the last time I enjoyed a movie that much in the theater.... Heat back in 95 comes to mine... ahh, no way it's as good as Heat...

Ok, I'm rambling. Again.
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Question for the two owners who received their 215's via freight.

Do these come in boxes on a pallet? If so, what were the dimensions of those boxes?

I am trying to determine if these will fit in my van once they get to the local terminal.
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Yeah, I'm a fan boy for sure but I hope not too annoying. I'm also a fan boy of Seaton (Submersives and Catalysts are so awesome!!), Danley (woah the 60's took it to the 212's in the blind testing!), Powersound Audio, Rythmic, HSU, SVS, and all the other internet direct companies that offer such an incredible value for the money. Ha, haven't even heard a PS Audio product but I think I'm pretty safe in my opinion.
First Carp, the 60's DID NOT take it to the 212's...the SH50s did. And secondly, it was the sealed 212HT-LPs, which seem to need some midbass boost so it wasn't exactly a fair fight. I'm looking forward to hearing Coach's 215RM as a potential replacement for my 212HT-LPs but even more I'm looking forward to the rumored Danley SM60f home-theater version that is supposedly being worked on.
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Question for the two owners who received their 215's via freight.

Do these come in boxes on a pallet? If so, what were the dimensions of those boxes?

I am trying to determine if these will fit in my van once they get to the local terminal.
Pallet and shrink wrapped with lots of foam around the speakers. They made the trip to California unscathed. Jeff knows how to pack shite. This V is what a pallet of 3 215RT's looks like:

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Okay...so they aren't actually in a "box"?

I might be able to unwrap them and load them in my car.

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I think Carps enthusiasm is as much related to having a true full range speaker (< >20hz) as it it a testament to the 215RT. I know the LFE needs to be located independent of the main speakers story that is backed by a considerable amount science, but there is an element of cohesiveness to the sound that happens with music on the 215's that is unique (subjectively special ).

I don't know why or how but I certainly felt it during my initial and prolonged (due to recovery from surgery) music listening. The 215RT's have renewed my long dormant interest in music and, they (3 of them) do everything I need for movies too. Some here have more of an appetite for bass than me as I only have dual Orbit Shifter's for reference, I have been missing out on that secret sauce of single digit VLF output that is such a narcotic for those lucky few who have been able to create it in their rooms. In my case, ignorance is bliss and I'm sure many will agree.
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Okay...so they aren't actually in a "box"?

I might be able to unwrap them and load them in my car.

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No box, but enough 1.5" solid board insulation to insulate a small house (think Ted Kaczynski's Montana home).

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First Carp, the 60's DID NOT take it to the 212's...the SH50s did. And secondly, it was the sealed 212HT-LPs, which seem to need some midbass boost so it wasn't exactly a fair fight. I'm looking forward to hearing Coach's 215RM as a potential replacement for my 212HT-LPs but even more I'm looking forward to the rumored Danley SM60f home-theater version that is supposedly being worked on.


No, I'm talking about Gorilla's GTG, the 50's weren't there, it was the 60's (Brandon's before he bought the 50's) and the ported 212's. Shortly after I was lucky enough to demo the 50's in my room for a few days thanks to Beast letting me do that before they were shipped out to him.

At the blind GTG the Danley's were my favorite. What jumped out the most to me was how consistent the sound was throughout the room. When I sat in the sweet spot I loved the 212's just as much or very close.

In my room the 50's had a larger soundstage, more precise imaging, and better room coverage. However, I preferred the sound signature (or whatever it's called) of the 212's by quite a bit so I stayed with them.

I'm not looking forward to anything now, seriously I am done. Unless I hear a pair of speakers - in my room - that I prefer to these I'm not making a change. Easy to say now that they are new, but I like them more every day.
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Just got word that my three two one fives. And four s eights are shipping out next week.. Gotta put my order in for my amps now.. Lol..
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Just got word that my three two one fives. And four s eights are shipping out next week.. Gotta put my order in for my amps now.. Lol..
Nice! What amps are you going to use?
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Nice! What amps are you going to use?
carp.. During the wait for the speakers. I've done research on amps and even had a demo from my friend. Who's been a DJ for over 20 years now. He had some older crown amps. I think if I remember it was crown xls 402. Incredible sound and flat out raw power. I was blown away by its performance. But as it stands now, it's either 3 xls 2000 in bridge mode. Or 3 d-sonic M3-600 mono blocks. I know there's a big price difference between the two. But for now, I think I might try out the xls 2000 from my local dealer since they have a 30 day return policy. Same with the d sonics.
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No box, but enough 1.5" solid board insulation to insulate a small house (think Ted Kaczynski's Montana home).
Gotcha... Appreciate the information.
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