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post #20971 of 31276 Old 07-03-2014, 03:10 PM
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Congrats ReefDvr.

And then I want to say I hate all of you JTR speaker owners. It is because of you that I too just ordered my third set of speakers from JTR. I was completely happy with my 212s and dual orbit shifter set up until you guys started talking about the new 215RTs. Then my little brain started wondering what they sound like? There is absolutely something wrong with you guys. Thanks
Nice, congrats to you. It has to end here. Honestly if it were not for building a new room I would have passed for a year or so and waited to find some used especially when Carp moves up to the 218RT's. Could just grab his 215's My only thinking is now that I finally have a media room, music is going to be 50% of my use. The 215's will be the best of both worlds.

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Congrats ReefDvr.

And then I want to say I hate all of you JTR speaker owners. It is because of you that I too just ordered my third set of speakers from JTR. I was completely happy with my 212s and dual orbit shifter set up until you guys started talking about the new 215RTs. Then my little brain started wondering what they sound like? There is absolutely something wrong with you guys. Thanks
Yes, it is a shared and very communicable disease. Apparently there is no cure ... except perhaps the 215RT's.

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Nice, congrats to you. It has to end here. Honestly if it were not for building a new room I would have passed for a year or so and waited to find some used especially when Carp moves up to the 218RT's just grab his 215's My only thinking is now that I finally have a media room, music is going to be 50% of my use. The 215's will be the best of both worlds.
Or mine....that is if the 218's were to come out. lol
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I like your enthusiasm and maybe I'm a little sensitive to the JTR fan boy stuff so I always try and present a neutral point of view. Honestly, I agree with all of your (and N8's) comments regarding the 215's and have never been happier with a speaker purchase. Having bought much more expensive speakers in the past, I see the value they represent too.

Like the OS's, the size is the major stumbling block for most potential owners but physics dictate that size for that extension ...

Thanks for sharing you enthusiasm and opinions. Always good stuff...
Yeah, I'm a fan boy for sure but I hope not too annoying. I'm also a fan boy of Seaton (Submersives and Catalysts are so awesome!!), Danley (woah the 60's took it to the 212's in the blind testing!), Powersound Audio, Rythmic, HSU, SVS, and all the other internet direct companies that offer such an incredible value for the money. Ha, haven't even heard a PS Audio product but I think I'm pretty safe in my opinion.



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Don't worry guys... the 215RT's should be the last speakers we ever need... I told Jeff he is no longer allowed to make a better speaker at this point.
Guys... seriously. At the GTG I was literally begging Jeff not to make a new flagship speaker - EVER. I didn't mention it in passing. I was pleading. All he could do was laugh... and I swear there was a mischievous look in his eyes. Someone interupted my half-drunken rant to say, "how is he going to make any more money off you?" or something to that effect. Haha, good stuff.




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Congrats ReefDvr.

And then I want to say I hate all of you JTR speaker owners. It is because of you that I too just ordered my third set of speakers from JTR. I was completely happy with my 212s and dual orbit shifter set up until you guys started talking about the new 215RTs. Then my little brain started wondering what they sound like? There is absolutely something wrong with you guys. Thanks

Haha, you are now part of the problem!!

Congrats man, I hope you love them as much as I do. Jeez, this sounds just like something I was telling people after the 212's came out. It's like Groundhog Day around here. Which by the way I'm a sucker for that kind of plot line - I absolutely love the new Tom Cruise movie. I can't remember the last time I enjoyed a movie that much in the theater.... Heat back in 95 comes to mine... ahh, no way it's as good as Heat...

Ok, I'm rambling. Again.
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Question for the two owners who received their 215's via freight.

Do these come in boxes on a pallet? If so, what were the dimensions of those boxes?

I am trying to determine if these will fit in my van once they get to the local terminal.
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Yeah, I'm a fan boy for sure but I hope not too annoying. I'm also a fan boy of Seaton (Submersives and Catalysts are so awesome!!), Danley (woah the 60's took it to the 212's in the blind testing!), Powersound Audio, Rythmic, HSU, SVS, and all the other internet direct companies that offer such an incredible value for the money. Ha, haven't even heard a PS Audio product but I think I'm pretty safe in my opinion.
First Carp, the 60's DID NOT take it to the 212's...the SH50s did. And secondly, it was the sealed 212HT-LPs, which seem to need some midbass boost so it wasn't exactly a fair fight. I'm looking forward to hearing Coach's 215RM as a potential replacement for my 212HT-LPs but even more I'm looking forward to the rumored Danley SM60f home-theater version that is supposedly being worked on.
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Question for the two owners who received their 215's via freight.

Do these come in boxes on a pallet? If so, what were the dimensions of those boxes?

I am trying to determine if these will fit in my van once they get to the local terminal.
Pallet and shrink wrapped with lots of foam around the speakers. They made the trip to California unscathed. Jeff knows how to pack ****e. This V is what a pallet of 3 215RT's looks like:

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Okay...so they aren't actually in a "box"?

I might be able to unwrap them and load them in my car.

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I think Carps enthusiasm is as much related to having a true full range speaker (< >20hz) as it it a testament to the 215RT. I know the LFE needs to be located independent of the main speakers story that is backed by a considerable amount science, but there is an element of cohesiveness to the sound that happens with music on the 215's that is unique (subjectively special ).

I don't know why or how but I certainly felt it during my initial and prolonged (due to recovery from surgery) music listening. The 215RT's have renewed my long dormant interest in music and, they (3 of them) do everything I need for movies too. Some here have more of an appetite for bass than me as I only have dual Orbit Shifter's for reference, I have been missing out on that secret sauce of single digit VLF output that is such a narcotic for those lucky few who have been able to create it in their rooms. In my case, ignorance is bliss and I'm sure many will agree.
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Okay...so they aren't actually in a "box"?

I might be able to unwrap them and load them in my car.

Thanks.
No box, but enough 1.5" solid board insulation to insulate a small house (think Ted Kaczynski's Montana home).

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First Carp, the 60's DID NOT take it to the 212's...the SH50s did. And secondly, it was the sealed 212HT-LPs, which seem to need some midbass boost so it wasn't exactly a fair fight. I'm looking forward to hearing Coach's 215RM as a potential replacement for my 212HT-LPs but even more I'm looking forward to the rumored Danley SM60f home-theater version that is supposedly being worked on.


No, I'm talking about Gorilla's GTG, the 50's weren't there, it was the 60's (Brandon's before he bought the 50's) and the ported 212's. Shortly after I was lucky enough to demo the 50's in my room for a few days thanks to Beast letting me do that before they were shipped out to him.

At the blind GTG the Danley's were my favorite. What jumped out the most to me was how consistent the sound was throughout the room. When I sat in the sweet spot I loved the 212's just as much or very close.

In my room the 50's had a larger soundstage, more precise imaging, and better room coverage. However, I preferred the sound signature (or whatever it's called) of the 212's by quite a bit so I stayed with them.

I'm not looking forward to anything now, seriously I am done. Unless I hear a pair of speakers - in my room - that I prefer to these I'm not making a change. Easy to say now that they are new, but I like them more every day.
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Just got word that my three two one fives. And four s eights are shipping out next week.. Gotta put my order in for my amps now.. Lol..
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Just got word that my three two one fives. And four s eights are shipping out next week.. Gotta put my order in for my amps now.. Lol..
Nice! What amps are you going to use?
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Nice! What amps are you going to use?
carp.. During the wait for the speakers. I've done research on amps and even had a demo from my friend. Who's been a DJ for over 20 years now. He had some older crown amps. I think if I remember it was crown xls 402. Incredible sound and flat out raw power. I was blown away by its performance. But as it stands now, it's either 3 xls 2000 in bridge mode. Or 3 d-sonic M3-600 mono blocks. I know there's a big price difference between the two. But for now, I think I might try out the xls 2000 from my local dealer since they have a 30 day return policy. Same with the d sonics.
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No box, but enough 1.5" solid board insulation to insulate a small house (think Ted Kaczynski's Montana home).
Gotcha... Appreciate the information.
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Did anyone see the sensitivity of the 215RM?
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I'm not looking forward to anything now, seriously I am done. Unless I hear a pair of speakers - in my room - that I prefer to these I'm not making a change. Easy to say now that they are new, but I like them more every day.
Time to focus on what a good set of surrounds can bring to the table. Since you already know what the EDs have to offer anything short of the S8 may end in disappointment although Beast's design may prove worthy.


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carp.. During the wait for the speakers. I've done research on amps and even had a demo from my friend. Who's been a DJ for over 20 years now. He had some older crown amps. I think if I remember it was crown xls 402. Incredible sound and flat out raw power. I was blown away by its performance. But as it stands now, it's either 3 xls 2000 in bridge mode. Or 3 d-sonic M3-600 mono blocks. I know there's a big price difference between the two. But for now, I think I might try out the xls 2000 from my local dealer since they have a 30 day return policy. Same with the d sonics.
You can often get older crown amps for relatively cheap used from musicians friend or guitar center. XLS404, 602, and 802.
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carp.. During the wait for the speakers. I've done research on amps and even had a demo from my friend. Who's been a DJ for over 20 years now. He had some older crown amps. I think if I remember it was crown xls 402. Incredible sound and flat out raw power. I was blown away by its performance. But as it stands now, it's either 3 xls 2000 in bridge mode. Or 3 d-sonic M3-600 mono blocks. I know there's a big price difference between the two. But for now, I think I might try out the xls 2000 from my local dealer since they have a 30 day return policy. Same with the d sonics.
You probably already know this but the D-Sonic M2 1500 is 3 distinct monoblocks sharing one power source. With the 215s at 95dbs the mono blocks will not make any difference. If you have'nt already have Dennis explain this as compared to old school monoblocks. His explanation combined with the $$$ saved changed my outlook and after almost 3 years I am 100% convinced it was the best choice.
Good Luck with this decision.
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Question for you all - how many of you are using a high end receiver with no external amps with your JTR's? Would something like a Denon 4520CI give it all the power I need? I'm crossing my 8HT-LP mains at 80hz to the subs (JBL 8320's for surrounds).


I have been using an Outlaw 7500 on my 8HT-LP's, but just took it out of the system temporarily to do some testing in another room with some speakers. It got me thinking, do I need the Outlaw 7500 if I were to upgrade my processor to a receiver with Audyssey xt32 (Denon 4520ci or Marantz SR7008)? I have been wanting to upgrade the processor for some time, but still waiting for a xt32 processor in my price range - hasn't come around yet. Also, the Outlaw does have some hiss feedback through my JTR. Maybe I can sell the amp to fund a new receiver and maybe come out ahead after selling the processor and Antimode as well..
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You can often get older crown amps for relatively cheap used from musicians friend or guitar center. XLS404, 602, and 802.
thanks.. I'll look them up. The older XLS series is just stellar. One thing I over looked also was that my friend probably just use those at high spl all the time. And he said he never had a problems with them. Told me he'll upgrade to the newer XLS series when the older ones give up. And he can't wait for a demo of the 215's once I get them setup.

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You probably already know this but the D-Sonic M2 1500 is 3 distinct monoblocks sharing one power source. With the 215s at 95dbs the mono blocks will not make any difference. If you have'nt already have Dennis explain this as compared to old school monoblocks. His explanation combined with the $$$ saved changed my outlook and after almost 3 years I am 100% convinced it was the best choice.
Good Luck with this decision.
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I didn't know that. Thanks..

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Question for you all - how many of you are using a high end receiver with no external amps with your JTR's? Would something like a Denon 4520CI give it all the power I need? I'm crossing my 8HT-LP mains at 80hz to the subs (JBL 8320's for surrounds).


I have been using an Outlaw 7500 on my 8HT-LP's, but just took it out of the system temporarily to do some testing in another room with some speakers. It got me thinking, do I need the Outlaw 7500 if I were to upgrade my processor to a receiver with Audyssey xt32 (Denon 4520ci or Marantz SR7008)? I have been wanting to upgrade the processor for some time, but still waiting for a xt32 processor in my price range - hasn't come around yet. Also, the Outlaw does have some hiss feedback through my JTR. Maybe I can sell the amp to fund a new receiver and maybe come out ahead after selling the processor and Antimode as well..

I'm running my S8-HT's (LCR) and S8-LP's (surrounds) all off a Pio SC-35. I watch everything loud, at reference or slightly above and I've honestly never heard the amp clip, had the amp shut down or even heat up much for that matter. I also cross at 80hz and let my dual S2's handle the rest. I don't play a whole lot of music but I did the other week and was playing at +3MV with no problems. In fact, after about 3 hours at those levels everything was just cruising along. Hell, I felt the amp in the AVR and it was just warm to the touch.


I think, IMO, people start running into problems when they have much less efficient surrounds than their JTR mains. Running at those levels with some 89dB surrounds would tax the amp in most AVR's pretty quickly.. not to mention you'll most likely be wearing the tweeters.


What are your listening habits? Movies or music? Is this a 5.1 or 7.1 system?
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I'm running my S8-HT's (LCR) and S8-LP's (surrounds) all off a Pio SC-35. I watch everything loud, at reference or slightly above and I've honestly never heard the amp clip, had the amp shut down or even heat up much for that matter. I also cross at 80hz and let my dual S2's handle the rest. I don't play a whole lot of music but I did the other week and was playing at +3MV with no problems. In fact, after about 3 hours at those levels everything was just cruising along. Hell, I felt the amp in the AVR and it was just warm to the touch.


I think, IMO, people start running into problems when they have much less efficient surrounds than their JTR mains. Running at those levels with some 89dB surrounds would tax the amp in most AVR's pretty quickly.. not to mention you'll most likely be wearing the tweeters.


What are your listening habits? Movies or music? Is this a 5.1 or 7.1 system?
I was discussing your setup with Jeff the other day. He still maintains the Single 8's are his most under rated speaker for HT and I agree. When I ran a Slanted 8 as center channel recently, the dialog ineligibility was outstanding. Bigger isn't always better.

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I ordered my surrounds last week from Jeff. I ordered 4 triple 8 lp's. at his suggestion we moved the CD to the top and am planning on placing the speakers wall mounted with CD about a foot above ear level. Super excited to hear what is sounds like. Is anyone running these as surrounds and if so how do you like them and what placement considerations have you done.

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I have been using an Outlaw 7500 on my 8HT-LP's, but just took it out of the system temporarily to do some testing in another room with some speakers. It got me thinking, do I need the Outlaw 7500 if I were to upgrade my processor to a receiver with Audyssey xt32 (Denon 4520ci or Marantz SR7008)? I have been wanting to upgrade the processor for some time, but still waiting for a xt32 processor in my price range - hasn't come around yet. Also, the Outlaw does have some hiss feedback through my JTR. Maybe I can sell the amp to fund a new receiver and maybe come out ahead after selling the processor and Antimode as well..
My plan is to run my 4520 with the front two or three driven by an amp and I will let the Denon 4520 handle all the surrounds. I have an XPA 3, but I think I am going to list it and get an Inuke or a Pevey IPR5000 DSP to run the 215's. I would hold off a couple of months as these units are going to drop like hot potatoes when the Atmos AVRs and pre pros hit the streets.
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I was discussing your setup with Jeff the other day. He still maintains the Single 8's are his most under rated speaker for HT and I agree. When I ran a Slanted 8 as center channel recently, the dialog ineligibility was outstanding. Bigger isn't always better.

We had the exact conversation over the phone last year when I was making my original order. I was a bit concerned that they wouldn't have enough to be able to keep up with the S2.. He just laughed. Every time I give a friend or family member a demo the first thing they seem to say is "There is no way all that sound just came from these little speakers, seriously, where do you have the other ones mounted??" quickly followed by "Holy hell, I feel like I just survived a freaking plane crash!"


On an OT side note... I'm ditching the LCD/Plasma world and going with an AT screen by the end of the summer. I can't wait to be able to hide these little S8's, and then surprise the hell out of people when I lift the screen...
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I ordered my surrounds last week from Jeff. I ordered 4 triple 8 lp's. at his suggestion we moved the CD to the top and am planning on placing the speakers wall mounted with CD about a foot above ear level. Super excited to hear what is sounds like. Is anyone running these as surrounds and if so how do you like them and what placement considerations have you done.

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I am, wall mounted via a french cleat and they sound fantastic. Never even a thought of changing them out.

Not the best photo but the T8LP is to the left with a sound absorption panel surrounding it.

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I'll never go with anything over the S8 for surrounds, some people can't grasp how good they really are! They easily run beyond reference in my room, no distortion and sounded great doing it. They are in fact my favorite JTR speaker (other than the 215s )
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