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Did anyone see the sensitivity of the 215RM?
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I'm not looking forward to anything now, seriously I am done. Unless I hear a pair of speakers - in my room - that I prefer to these I'm not making a change. Easy to say now that they are new, but I like them more every day.
Time to focus on what a good set of surrounds can bring to the table. Since you already know what the EDs have to offer anything short of the S8 may end in disappointment although Beast's design may prove worthy.


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carp.. During the wait for the speakers. I've done research on amps and even had a demo from my friend. Who's been a DJ for over 20 years now. He had some older crown amps. I think if I remember it was crown xls 402. Incredible sound and flat out raw power. I was blown away by its performance. But as it stands now, it's either 3 xls 2000 in bridge mode. Or 3 d-sonic M3-600 mono blocks. I know there's a big price difference between the two. But for now, I think I might try out the xls 2000 from my local dealer since they have a 30 day return policy. Same with the d sonics.
You can often get older crown amps for relatively cheap used from musicians friend or guitar center. XLS404, 602, and 802.
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carp.. During the wait for the speakers. I've done research on amps and even had a demo from my friend. Who's been a DJ for over 20 years now. He had some older crown amps. I think if I remember it was crown xls 402. Incredible sound and flat out raw power. I was blown away by its performance. But as it stands now, it's either 3 xls 2000 in bridge mode. Or 3 d-sonic M3-600 mono blocks. I know there's a big price difference between the two. But for now, I think I might try out the xls 2000 from my local dealer since they have a 30 day return policy. Same with the d sonics.
You probably already know this but the D-Sonic M2 1500 is 3 distinct monoblocks sharing one power source. With the 215s at 95dbs the mono blocks will not make any difference. If you have'nt already have Dennis explain this as compared to old school monoblocks. His explanation combined with the $$$ saved changed my outlook and after almost 3 years I am 100% convinced it was the best choice.
Good Luck with this decision.
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Question for you all - how many of you are using a high end receiver with no external amps with your JTR's? Would something like a Denon 4520CI give it all the power I need? I'm crossing my 8HT-LP mains at 80hz to the subs (JBL 8320's for surrounds).


I have been using an Outlaw 7500 on my 8HT-LP's, but just took it out of the system temporarily to do some testing in another room with some speakers. It got me thinking, do I need the Outlaw 7500 if I were to upgrade my processor to a receiver with Audyssey xt32 (Denon 4520ci or Marantz SR7008)? I have been wanting to upgrade the processor for some time, but still waiting for a xt32 processor in my price range - hasn't come around yet. Also, the Outlaw does have some hiss feedback through my JTR. Maybe I can sell the amp to fund a new receiver and maybe come out ahead after selling the processor and Antimode as well..
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You can often get older crown amps for relatively cheap used from musicians friend or guitar center. XLS404, 602, and 802.
thanks.. I'll look them up. The older XLS series is just stellar. One thing I over looked also was that my friend probably just use those at high spl all the time. And he said he never had a problems with them. Told me he'll upgrade to the newer XLS series when the older ones give up. And he can't wait for a demo of the 215's once I get them setup.

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You probably already know this but the D-Sonic M2 1500 is 3 distinct monoblocks sharing one power source. With the 215s at 95dbs the mono blocks will not make any difference. If you have'nt already have Dennis explain this as compared to old school monoblocks. His explanation combined with the $$$ saved changed my outlook and after almost 3 years I am 100% convinced it was the best choice.
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I didn't know that. Thanks..

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Question for you all - how many of you are using a high end receiver with no external amps with your JTR's? Would something like a Denon 4520CI give it all the power I need? I'm crossing my 8HT-LP mains at 80hz to the subs (JBL 8320's for surrounds).


I have been using an Outlaw 7500 on my 8HT-LP's, but just took it out of the system temporarily to do some testing in another room with some speakers. It got me thinking, do I need the Outlaw 7500 if I were to upgrade my processor to a receiver with Audyssey xt32 (Denon 4520ci or Marantz SR7008)? I have been wanting to upgrade the processor for some time, but still waiting for a xt32 processor in my price range - hasn't come around yet. Also, the Outlaw does have some hiss feedback through my JTR. Maybe I can sell the amp to fund a new receiver and maybe come out ahead after selling the processor and Antimode as well..

I'm running my S8-HT's (LCR) and S8-LP's (surrounds) all off a Pio SC-35. I watch everything loud, at reference or slightly above and I've honestly never heard the amp clip, had the amp shut down or even heat up much for that matter. I also cross at 80hz and let my dual S2's handle the rest. I don't play a whole lot of music but I did the other week and was playing at +3MV with no problems. In fact, after about 3 hours at those levels everything was just cruising along. Hell, I felt the amp in the AVR and it was just warm to the touch.


I think, IMO, people start running into problems when they have much less efficient surrounds than their JTR mains. Running at those levels with some 89dB surrounds would tax the amp in most AVR's pretty quickly.. not to mention you'll most likely be wearing the tweeters.


What are your listening habits? Movies or music? Is this a 5.1 or 7.1 system?
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I'm running my S8-HT's (LCR) and S8-LP's (surrounds) all off a Pio SC-35. I watch everything loud, at reference or slightly above and I've honestly never heard the amp clip, had the amp shut down or even heat up much for that matter. I also cross at 80hz and let my dual S2's handle the rest. I don't play a whole lot of music but I did the other week and was playing at +3MV with no problems. In fact, after about 3 hours at those levels everything was just cruising along. Hell, I felt the amp in the AVR and it was just warm to the touch.


I think, IMO, people start running into problems when they have much less efficient surrounds than their JTR mains. Running at those levels with some 89dB surrounds would tax the amp in most AVR's pretty quickly.. not to mention you'll most likely be wearing the tweeters.


What are your listening habits? Movies or music? Is this a 5.1 or 7.1 system?
I was discussing your setup with Jeff the other day. He still maintains the Single 8's are his most under rated speaker for HT and I agree. When I ran a Slanted 8 as center channel recently, the dialog ineligibility was outstanding. Bigger isn't always better.

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I ordered my surrounds last week from Jeff. I ordered 4 triple 8 lp's. at his suggestion we moved the CD to the top and am planning on placing the speakers wall mounted with CD about a foot above ear level. Super excited to hear what is sounds like. Is anyone running these as surrounds and if so how do you like them and what placement considerations have you done.

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Question for you all - how many of you are using a high end receiver with no external amps with your JTR's? Would something like a Denon 4520CI give it all the power I need? I'm crossing my 8HT-LP mains at 80hz to the subs (JBL 8320's for surrounds).


I have been using an Outlaw 7500 on my 8HT-LP's, but just took it out of the system temporarily to do some testing in another room with some speakers. It got me thinking, do I need the Outlaw 7500 if I were to upgrade my processor to a receiver with Audyssey xt32 (Denon 4520ci or Marantz SR7008)? I have been wanting to upgrade the processor for some time, but still waiting for a xt32 processor in my price range - hasn't come around yet. Also, the Outlaw does have some hiss feedback through my JTR. Maybe I can sell the amp to fund a new receiver and maybe come out ahead after selling the processor and Antimode as well..
My plan is to run my 4520 with the front two or three driven by an amp and I will let the Denon 4520 handle all the surrounds. I have an XPA 3, but I think I am going to list it and get an Inuke or a Pevey IPR5000 DSP to run the 215's. I would hold off a couple of months as these units are going to drop like hot potatoes when the Atmos AVRs and pre pros hit the streets.
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I was discussing your setup with Jeff the other day. He still maintains the Single 8's are his most under rated speaker for HT and I agree. When I ran a Slanted 8 as center channel recently, the dialog ineligibility was outstanding. Bigger isn't always better.

We had the exact conversation over the phone last year when I was making my original order. I was a bit concerned that they wouldn't have enough to be able to keep up with the S2.. He just laughed. Every time I give a friend or family member a demo the first thing they seem to say is "There is no way all that sound just came from these little speakers, seriously, where do you have the other ones mounted??" quickly followed by "Holy hell, I feel like I just survived a freaking plane crash!"


On an OT side note... I'm ditching the LCD/Plasma world and going with an AT screen by the end of the summer. I can't wait to be able to hide these little S8's, and then surprise the hell out of people when I lift the screen...
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I ordered my surrounds last week from Jeff. I ordered 4 triple 8 lp's. at his suggestion we moved the CD to the top and am planning on placing the speakers wall mounted with CD about a foot above ear level. Super excited to hear what is sounds like. Is anyone running these as surrounds and if so how do you like them and what placement considerations have you done.

Thanks
I am, wall mounted via a french cleat and they sound fantastic. Never even a thought of changing them out.

Not the best photo but the T8LP is to the left with a sound absorption panel surrounding it.

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I'll never go with anything over the S8 for surrounds, some people can't grasp how good they really are! They easily run beyond reference in my room, no distortion and sounded great doing it. They are in fact my favorite JTR speaker (other than the 215s )
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I'll never go with anything over the S8 for surrounds, some people can't grasp how good they really are! They easily run beyond reference in my room, no distortion and sounded great doing it. They are in fact my favorite JTR speaker (other than the 215s )
+1 - Agree wholeheartedly
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My plan is to run my 4520 with the front two or three driven by an amp and I will let the Denon 4520 handle all the surrounds. I have an XPA 3, but I think I am going to list it and get an Inuke or a Pevey IPR5000 DSP to run the 215's. I would hold off a couple of months as these units are going to drop like hot potatoes when the Atmos AVRs and pre pros hit the streets.
The 4520 is on closeout sale until the stock is out. I ordered mine from JDSmoothie. Really was surprised at the price.

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I was discussing your setup with Jeff the other day. He still maintains the Single 8's are his most under rated speaker for HT and I agree. When I ran a Slanted 8 as center channel recently, the dialog ineligibility was outstanding. Bigger isn't always better.
So just curious. Obviously the S8 is very much loved. Also you and others use the Triple 8 as surrounds. What is the head to head comparison between the T8 and S8? I know it seems the T8 with more drivers would be better but doesn't the S8 use a slightly different CD? And of course the different crossover design has a sound character effect. So is it possible the S8 sounds better?

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So just curious. Obviously the S8 is very much loved. Also you and others use the Triple 8 as surrounds. What is the head to head comparison between the T8 and S8? I know it seems the T8 with more drivers would be better but doesn't the S8 use a slightly different CD? And of course the different crossover design has a sound character effect. So is it possible the S8 sounds better?
I've used both, I'm pretty sure S8 and T8 use the same CD. You'd gain a few dB's of midbass but otherwise they sounded identical IMO. The reason people use the T8's over the S8's is because the price is so close, they figure, for a few hundred more, why not? Well, at least that the way I would see it lol

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Question for you all - how many of you are using a high end receiver with no external amps with your JTR's? Would something like a Denon 4520CI give it all the power I need? I'm crossing my 8HT-LP mains at 80hz to the subs (JBL 8320's for surrounds).


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I am running a 4520 I got a couple months ago. I use all 9 channels of amplification. L&R Triple 8HT's, Center is Triple 8LP, Surrounds are Volt 10's from DIY SG (reasonably sensitive speaker) And then I added 4 little Definitive Technology Pro Monitor 600's for heights and wides. Obviously not the worlds greatest speaker but cheap and decent little tiny things. It was the only option to use these with little swivel mounts. I would have rather gone with more Volt 10's but I am in my LR and that just isn't possible.

Wife and I have been talking with a friend about buying his home. I would get to have a dedicated theater room and would build right with S8's and upgraded mains and such. Possible double car garage conversion, room within a room build! Has a bonus room but garage conversion could allow for higher ceilings and obvious sound containment and everything I want to do from the ground up.

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Question for you all - how many of you are using a high end receiver with no external amps with your JTR's? Would something like a Denon 4520CI give it all the power I need? I'm crossing my 8HT-LP mains at 80hz to the subs (JBL 8320's for surrounds).


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I am running a 4520 I got a couple months ago. I use all 9 channels of amplification. L&R Triple 8HT's, Center is Triple 8LP, Surrounds are Volt 10's from DIY SG (reasonably sensitive speaker) And then I added 4 little Definitive Technology Pro Monitor 600's for heights and wides. Obviously not the worlds greatest speaker but cheap and decent little tiny things. It was the only option to use these with little swivel mounts. I would have rather gone with more Volt 10's but I am in my LR and that just isn't possible.

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I've used both, I'm pretty sure S8 and T8 use the same CD. You'd gain a few dB's of midbass but otherwise they sounded identical IMO. The reason people use the T8's over the S8's is because the price is so close, they figure, for a few hundred more, why not? Well, at least that the way I would see it lol
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This is pure speculation as I have not heard the S8, but the T8 (I have heard this one and the T12 on numerous occasions) is a 3 way design vs a 2 way for the S8. For surround duty, I doubt this would ever reveal itself as a benefit, but if you were to compare in an LCR configuration or in a 2 ch music scenario, I believe you would see some advantage in the T8 especially as it relates to dialogue, i.e. human voice. I don't believe it would be a lot different, but I do believe there would be benefit. Jeff is certainly a crossover wizard though and really squeezes every bit of performance out of the drivers that he chooses.


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I've used both, I'm pretty sure S8 and T8 use the same CD. You'd gain a few dB's of midbass but otherwise they sounded identical IMO. The reason people use the T8's over the S8's is because the price is so close, they figure, for a few hundred more, why not? Well, at least that the way I would see it lol
The S8 uses the 4550 while the T8 uses the 4540 . The coaxial in the S8 is the 8cn522. http://www.bmsspeakers.com/index.php?id=bms_8cn552
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The S8 uses the 4550 while the T8 uses the 4540 . The coaxial in the S8 is the 8cn522. http://www.bmsspeakers.com/index.php?id=bms_8cn552
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The S8 uses the 4550 while the T8 uses the 4540 . The coaxial in the S8 is the 8cn522. http://www.bmsspeakers.com/index.php?id=bms_8cn552
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Ok yea. What I was thinking. Different speaker and driver design. To the uninformed it would seem a S8 is just a T8 but smaller, but not so

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I just finished a demo of the XLS2500 with my LS9's, to my ears, and with my system it was a bit sterile sounding compared to my XPR-1 monoblocks. I spoke with Dennis, he recommended the M3-600M to me with either my LS9's or if I get the 215RT's even over the more powerful M3-1500M. I have a feeling the M3-600M would sound better than the XLS amps, i may sell my XPR-1 mono's just to give them a shot.
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The 4520 is on closeout sale until the stock is out. I ordered mine from JDSmoothie. Really was surprised at the price.
Yeah I heard something around about that. I think I heard there was a 2 day sale on them also. I wanna say that the X7200 is said to be the replacement model or flagship model??

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I've used both, I'm pretty sure S8 and T8 use the same CD. You'd gain a few dB's of midbass but otherwise they sounded identical IMO. The reason people use the T8's over the S8's is because the price is so close, they figure, for a few hundred more, why not? Well, at least that the way I would see it lol
I could be wrong but I always thought your speakers are only as good as the content that is sent to them. With surround, I did not think the surrounds were sent enough signal to require a bigger speaker? Maybe for music, but I would not think movies. But I am another person that loves the single 8's for surrounds. I still remember the first night I hooked them up and replaced a pair of bookshelf's I was using for my surrounds. It was incredible. They really do bring a new dimension to movies.
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Yeah I heard something around about that. I think I heard there was a 2 day sale on them also. I wanna say that the X7200 is said to be the replacement model or flagship model??

I could be wrong but I always thought your speakers are only as good as the content that is sent to them. With surround, I did not think the surrounds were sent enough signal to require a bigger speaker? Maybe for music, but I would not think movies. But I am another person that loves the single 8's for surrounds. I still remember the first night I hooked them up and replaced a pair of bookshelf's I was using for my surrounds. It was incredible. They really do bring a new dimension to movies.
All the talk about the S8's is getting me anxious.. I think I'm more excited to hear the S8's instead of the 3 215's. Lol. And I'm glad I decided to order them to replace my existing def tech surrounds. Another blind buy for me.
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All the talk about the S8's is getting me anxious.. I think I'm more excited to hear the S8's instead of the 3 215's. Lol. And I'm glad I decided to order them to replace my existing def tech surrounds. Another blind buy for me.
A couple of months ago for the fun on it, I ran my S8's in 2 channel with subs for a couple of hours with music. I was literally blown away.
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