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post #21061 of 24701 Old 07-06-2014, 09:35 PM
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Very nice Ib..
Rhed I forgot to mention I saw your rear speakers in the shop when I picked mine up. They are looking good.

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Rhed I forgot to mention I saw your rear speakers in the shop when I picked mine up. They are looking good.
Thanks Ibrown.. That's great news..
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It probably is Dot. But, beware that the Onkyo 818's version of XT32 does not include SubEQ HT for setting up filters for dual subs based on their combined response. There would be no point as the 818 is not a true ".2" - it sends the same signal to both sub output jacks via an internal y-splitter.



Not an issue if you run a single sub or totally symmetrical duals. Otherwise, not ideal.

Thank you for the info. Would this still matter if I run a minidsp?
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Wondering if you could mount those upside down and bounce them off the ceiling for an Atmos effect? A couple weeks ago they talked about angling your speakers upward to reflect off the ceiling on the Home Theater Geek podcast.
You have given me an idea . I've never been happy with my surround back mounting as they fire over the heads of the back row. Turning them 180° will have them firing into the crown molding (natural diffuser) and ceiling and thereby create a nice dispersion effect of the surround back channel information. Then, if I get an ATMOS processor I can add a pair of in-ceiling JTR's.

I'm going to change them tonight.


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Speaking of harsh highs, I posted this in another thread. I'm sure many of you know this already but just in case:



"I have found that perceived harsh highs are NOT up high where many people think they are .
For me harsh highs are if there is a peak roughly between 2khz and 4khz.

Even 8khz - 10khz boosted does not sound harsh, it sounds more shimmery. 12-15 khz and up boosted seems to add an "airy" sound.

I think if you bring down the eq a couple of db's between 2khz and 4khz you will get rid of any perceived harshness when you crank it up to reference."



Anyway, I've tinkered around a lot with EQ over the years and this ^ is what I have found to be true for my ears.
Agreed. It is very similar to what some experience on the very bottom end of the spectrum, below 20hz. Often times you think you are hearing much lower lows, and higher highs than you really are. 20khz is VERY high, 16khz, is still an amazingly high freq, and instrumental notes that reach that high are few and far between in production. Same thing with those sub 10hz content things

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Here are a few shot of some new custom Slant 8's. These will be mounted on the ceiling and I wanted the dimensions to be a little wider with less depth coming down from the ceiling. Probably get them hooked up tomorrow. I finally have surrounds that can keep up.
I will be interested in the dimensions as well. the depth off the wall at the bottom looks perfect for how i want to redesign my side surround boxes.

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You have given me an idea . I've never been happy with my surround back mounting as they fire over the heads of the back row. Turning them 180° will have them firing into the crown molding (natural diffuser) and ceiling and thereby create a nice dispersion effect of the surround back channel information. Then, if I get an ATMOS processor I can add a pair of in-ceiling JTR's.

I'm going to change them tonight.

That is why I am mounting mine on the mounts. They are going to stick out a bit, but that will give me pinpoint precision on aiming them.
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That is why I am mounting mine on the mounts. They are going to stick out a bit, but that will give me pinpoint precision on aiming them.
Although I am doing this primarily to prepare for Dolby Atmos, I think I may achieve better surround with standard 7.1 Dolby or DTS surround formats with this setup. It is an easy change and worth a try ...

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RMK and Beast, I think you were both interested in the dimensions of the slant 8's I recently picked up. the base is 14x14in, the back depth is 8in and after about 4.5 in it starts to taper and ends at 2.5in deep. I think the angle is still about 30 degrees. Just got them hooked up today and they sound great. I decided to start with a more traditional configuration and get to know how that sounds before trying the "atmos" ceiling bounce.
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RMK and Beast, I think you were both interested in the dimensions of the slant 8's I recently picked up. the base is 14x14in, the back depth is 8in and after about 4.5 in it starts to taper and ends at 2.5in deep. I think the angle is still about 30 degrees. Just got them hooked up today and they sound great. I decided to start with a more traditional configuration and get to know how that sounds before trying the "atmos" ceiling bounce.
Thanks Lance, those are a nice size and I think they might make better side surrounds for high wall placement than the std Slanted 8's. Are you running 5.1?

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^^ yes only 5.1 at this point. My next investments are likely to be a new balanced pre pro and then next year a better projector. Not sure about all this atmos stuff for my set up. Nothing is impossible but adding more speakers to the ceiling would be a lot of work. What do you think atmos will deliver for home theater?

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I guess I mean to ask to you think it will be noticeable without a major investment in more speakers?

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Although I am doing this primarily to prepare for Dolby Atmos, I think I may achieve better surround with standard 7.1 Dolby or DTS surround formats with this setup. It is an easy change and worth a try ...
I mounted my lv boxes in the ceiling so I can switch to in ceiling speakers quickly or mount speakers on the ceiling. It was the best I could come up with not having a layout. Glad it was announced while I was doing my wiring.
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Time to focus on what a good set of surrounds can bring to the table. Since you already know what the EDs have to offer anything short of the S8 may end in disappointment although Beast's design may prove worthy.
Matt has one of the beymas, and we are just waiting for the new v2 DATS stuff to come out from PE at this point. Once all that happens, it should be a pretty quick to finish product. I do want to redo the boxes at some point, and for the side surrounds I really like how Lbrown's modified S8's look and would be something I would consider following. The box they are in now is 13" deep at the top, and around 8" at the bottom IIRC, might be less. The angle isn't quite enough for the sides, but almost perfect for the rears.



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I guess I mean to ask to you think it will be noticeable without a major investment in more speakers?
Not for a while IMO. First you have content that needs to come out, heck, they just barely are getting things out in full 7.1 at this point. Second, the AVR's and pre's need to get the computing power up to really do a full implementation of atmos. Third, DTS still doesn't have anything in AVR's at this point and I for one would wait until both formats are available. having a pre (8801) right now, and just dropping on that 7 channel Dsonic (which I LOVE), I don't want to think about amplifying more channels right now. Regardless, things should shake out over the next year or so, and I will sit casually by as they do I am sure even the early adopters will have an improved experience for sure, but my guess is they will continue to refine the processing and implementation over the next little while.
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I'll be waiting until at least next xmas before getting a new processor for most of the reason Beast has talked about.
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just had a chance to hear some mch music and some movie clips. The S8's are nice and it really does round out the sound field much better than what I had. Just more impact, dynamic and clear.

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Matt has one of the beymas, and we are just waiting for the new v2 DATS stuff to come out from PE at this point. Once all that happens, it should be a pretty quick to finish product. I do want to redo the boxes at some point, and for the side surrounds I really like how Lbrown's modified S8's look and would be something I would consider following. The box they are in now is 13" deep at the top, and around 8" at the bottom IIRC, might be less. The angle isn't quite enough for the sides, but almost perfect for the rears.





Not for a while IMO. First you have content that needs to come out, heck, they just barely are getting things out in full 7.1 at this point. Second, the AVR's and pre's need to get the computing power up to really do a full implementation of atmos. Third, DTS still doesn't have anything in AVR's at this point and I for one would wait until both formats are available. having a pre (8801) right now, and just dropping on that 7 channel Dsonic (which I LOVE), I don't want to think about amplifying more channels right now. Regardless, things should shake out over the next year or so, and I will sit casually by as they do I am sure even the early adopters will have an improved experience for sure, but my guess is they will continue to refine the processing and implementation over the next little while.
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RMK and Beast, I think you were both interested in the dimensions of the slant 8's I recently picked up. the base is 14x14in, the back depth is 8in and after about 4.5 in it starts to taper and ends at 2.5in deep. I think the angle is still about 30 degrees. Just got them hooked up today and they sound great. I decided to start with a more traditional configuration and get to know how that sounds before trying the "atmos" ceiling bounce.
Look great!

I like the slim look of those...
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PRO# has been emailed and new speaker day will either be Wednesday or Thursday.

Dgage dropped off my 215RM stand today, so I am anxious to get "back into business".
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I guess I mean to ask to you think it will be noticeable without a major investment in more speakers?
I think the jury is out and yes, at least 7 and probably 9-11 (or more) speakers will be necessary. I agree with your priorities but electronics and video are so volatile that more/better speakers is always easier for me justify (I'm saying this to the man with 212 LCR's and 3 Orbit Shifters ).

I have my Slanted 8 SB's firing up now and just level matched them. I watched a few movie clips and it's hard to tell a difference. I'll leave it this way for a while and try some challenging surround effects movies.


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Look great!

I like the slim look of those...
thanks Coach. I am pretty sure I saw your 215RT and RM at the shop the other day too. They look awesome. Can't wait to hear your impression

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thanks Coach. I am pretty sure I saw your 215RT and RM at the shop the other day too. They look awesome. Can't wait to hear your impression
Can you please PM me the lead time and price of your custom Slanted 8's?

I am stocked to get these hooked up. Like I previously stated, not so stoked about getting them in the room...lol
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Can you please PM me the lead time and price of your custom Slanted 8's?

I am stocked to get these hooked up. Like I previously stated, not so stoked about getting them in the room...lol
Just toss one over each shoulder and get it over with. Hopefully, you have good medical insurance.

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Just toss one over each shoulder and get it over with. Hopefully, you have good medical insurance.
My left shoulder is already messed up, so what the heck....
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My left shoulder is already messed up, so what the heck....
Seriously Coach get some help. At an awkward 215lbs each they are more than a handful.

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PRO# has been emailed and new speaker day will either be Wednesday or Thursday.

Dgage dropped off my 215RM stand today, so I am anxious to get "back into business".
Coach said I should post a picture of his 215RM center channel stand so here it is. Coach needed a place to put his sub amp so I made a pocket in back. I'm a DIY woodworker constantly getting better at using my extensive tool collection and this box is the best I've made to date. Makes me want to go back and rebuild my enclosures.

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Coach said I should post a picture of his 215RM center channel stand so here it is. Coach needed a place to put his sub amp so I made a pocket in back. I'm a DIY woodworker constantly getting better at using my extensive tool collection and this box is the best I've made to date. Makes me want to go back and rebuild my enclosures.

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I have been very fortunate to have met both David(Dgage) and Brandon(Beast) in the last year and half. Brandon initially introduced me to the world of DIY subs and what they can do. A year ago, I had three HSU VTF-15H's. Today I have 8-SI18's. None of that would have been possible with out their help because I have ZERO DIY ability, nor the tools to execute a build like this.

These two have been awesome at helping me spend my money and feed my upgraditis....

I can't wait to get the 215RM on top of it.
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And with all of the S8 talk, here are my normal Slanted 8s custom mounted in the ceiling for the rears and side surrounds. I guess I need to get a completed picture but I'm not home right now. Suffice it to say they blend in pretty well when painted and with white grill cloth.

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These two have been awesome at helping me spend my money and feed my upgraditis....

I can't wait to get the 215RM on top of it.
For the record Coach, I did try to talk you off the ledge of buying the 215RTs. Hell, that was one of the reasons I offered to build you the center channel stand, so that you would have more than enough wooferage to go with your 212s. Little did I know you'd go with #7 and 8 SI18s AND(!!!!) the 215RTs.
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I think the jury is out and yes, at least 7 and probably 9-11 (or more) speakers will be necessary. I agree with your priorities but electronics and video are so volatile that more/better speakers is always easier for me justify (I'm saying this to the man with 212 LCR's and 3 Orbit Shifters ).

I have my Slanted 8 SB's firing up now and just level matched them. I watched a few movie clips and it's hard to tell a difference. I'll leave it this way for a while and try some challenging surround effects movies.

The book of Eli scene with the Gatling gun id VERY surround demanding. Especially when they began zooming in on it! I also have been rewatching the Transformers movies getting prepared for this weekend for the 4th in imax. Anyway the ending fight scene in the 2nd (Revenge of the Fallen) has some very demanding scenes. Some of the surround scenes on the demo discs could be replaced IMO.
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thanks Coach. I am pretty sure I saw your 215RT and RM at the shop the other day too. They look awesome. Can't wait to hear your impression
They were mine. Coach is getting his at the end of the month.
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