Originally Posted by SOWK
Don't worry guys... the 215RT's should be the last speakers we ever need... I told Jeff he is no longer allowed to make a better speaker at this point.
The worst 'Psychic' ever! lol!
Originally Posted by NWCgrad
How much better can speakers get? Once you get full range with high quality, low distortion, transparent and accurate drivers what else is there really (other than marketing and exotic enclosures).
But then again, I was recently at an AV show, and there are a couple of small towers (with about 5-6 inch mid bass)... they sound incredible... I would say at lower volumes, and for a lot of music tracks, might even be better than my 212s. I believe it's the 'curve' of the different speakers. For different music, different curves may sound better for one person or another.
At the volume they are playing, the small tower (can't remember the name now, I think it's Singapore made), were so dynamic, and sweet sounding. Midbass was 'popping' way more than my 212s, and the highs were so sweet... there is also something with the 'box'... I don't know what it is, but it seems to radiate 'music' all around. My friends and I kept coming back to that room for more.
However, for an all around, I don't think anything there at the show could beat out my 212s (coupled with subs).
Originally Posted by carp
I tend to be enthusiastic about this stuff in general.
Archaea said that Stitch1 stays pretty low key most of the time but that is not me. This hobby makes me feel like a kid - hmm I feel like that a lot of the time anyway - and sometimes my excitement gets the better of me.
That said, I don't think that's the case with the 215's. I was trying to tone down my impressions initially (haha, I think that's over now...) in the posts I've made and the PM's I've sent about the 215's because I know I have a tendency to over state things. I also don't think it's just a full range thing. I have tried the 215's crossed at 80hz and 50hz and set to small and the crazy imaging/crytal - and i mean crystal - clear sound/consistent sound throughout the room/massive soundstage/etc. is still all there and all improved from the 212's.
I'm not ripping the 212's either. I absolutely loved those speakers and spent countless hours listening to 2 channel music. They are awesome - and get this - I had to change the trim on the 215's by 11 db's to match up with them!!!!!
That's huge. I don't know if the 212's are under rated in their sensitivity or the 215 are over rated but it's a massive difference. My center channel is set to -12 and my 215's are set to -1. My 212 mains were set to -12 just like the center. I'm not upset about the sensitivity difference, it's just how it is when you have a full range tower that truly goes to below 18hz - something has to give.
So, clearly the 212's have a massive advantage for someone who has a well treated theater in a large space. In my room the inuke 3000 starts to clip right at reference with the bass ran flat on the 215's. When I had the 212's hooked up to the inuke I don't even know when it would begin to clip because it never came close.
Shoot, I haven't even tried a blu-ray movie yet (or even on of my movie demo disks) just tv and movies on directv - so I really don't even know yet what I think of them for movies compared the the 212's.
Carp, thanks for the reviews you have been posting.
I know you're supposed to use dedicated amps to bring out all there is to the 215s. But out of curiosity, how loud can the 215s get with a receiver? (if you have one, please try it out).
The -11 dB compared to the 212s sounds like you'll need about 15X the amp power of the 212s (I am using doubling amp power for 3dB increment).
I am still curious about just how well they play with receivers.
Originally Posted by ndskurfer
Question for you all - how many of you are using a high end receiver with no external amps with your JTR's? Would something like a Denon 4520CI give it all the power I need? I'm crossing my 8HT-LP mains at 80hz to the subs (JBL 8320's for surrounds).
I have been using an Outlaw 7500 on my 8HT-LP's, but just took it out of the system temporarily to do some testing in another room with some speakers. It got me thinking, do I need the Outlaw 7500 if I were to upgrade my processor to a receiver with Audyssey xt32 (Denon 4520ci or Marantz SR7008)? I have been wanting to upgrade the processor for some time, but still waiting for a xt32 processor in my price range - hasn't come around yet. Also, the Outlaw does have some hiss feedback through my JTR. Maybe I can sell the amp to fund a new receiver and maybe come out ahead after selling the processor and Antimode as well..
I have the 212s and using the onkyo 3009. No issues at all. In fact, at the loudest volume i can tolerate, it's not even close to clipping my receiver. My FP 10,000, which is supposed to power the 212s, is currently collecting dust (until i decide to use it for sub duty if i ever build more subs).
Originally Posted by N8DOGG
For me carp, it's all the 4-6K range. I don't notice it as much with the 215's but I really had to tame it down on my 212's in my room. In a big open room, they don't seem to get to bad until way beyond reference.
So I pretty much agree with you that it's the lower end that makes me cringe lol. I can take bass up a wazoo though!
On WOTW, when the pod emerges, it's foot flys up from underground and steps on a car and the sound of the glass shattering, is life knives in my ear at reference LOL The S8's at the same volume are the same spl but not painfull at all. The 215's IMO are right in the middle and IMO are about perfect!
YES! Playing at reference or above, it really does cut like a knife. I'll definitely try the equalizer in the Receiver and cut down a bit and see if it makes a difference. (not sure if the equalizer in the receiver works or not, because no matter how i set it, it sounds pretty much the same to me. Do the 'DSP Modes' cancel out the equalizer?)
Originally Posted by RMK!
You have given me an idea
. I've never been happy with my surround back mounting as they fire over the heads of the back row. Turning them 180° will have them firing into the crown molding (natural diffuser) and ceiling and thereby create a nice dispersion effect of the surround back channel information. Then, if I get an ATMOS processor I can add a pair of in-ceiling JTR's.
I'm going to change them tonight.
Interesting option. I would try this but alas, i am planning to turn the a couple feet of the back ceiling into a bass trap. If i face my surrounds up, all the sound would be completely absorbed.. shucks.